There just needs to be some place where people can go, segregated from the topics that are actually trying to accomplish something and go off on their own little tangent without bugging others.
Like right now. I know it's just the usual. I know its not a huge deal, but for the millionth time the freaking maintenance is going WELL over the announced time. And when do they decide to tell us? 4 minutes before its supposed to be up.... SURE... GREAT.... I mean seriously, why, in the freaking world can't they just build in 'OMGWTFIMSOGLADWEHADABUFFER' time into the estimates to begin with? Why SO OFTEN do they have to just suprise us with extra unplanned down time when they clearly have a history of going over already?!...
As I said earlier, I know this is silly, and vain, pointless, and really shouldn't matter. But for the love of freaking god when I read that down time extension message I felt like I just hit the shrine of +41230% nerd rage of bloody disbowelment and happy cannibalism. I wanted to feast on the guts of every freaking tech orchestrating the maintenance and crap it all out in the shape of a giant middle freaking finger!....
I'm just happy to see someone ranting about WANTING to log in and being unable due to maintenance as opposed to the other junky ranting we get about how Jay Wilson is heading up a group of secret ninja-pirate-manbearpigs who sneak around in the middle of the night to rape our grandmothers and garrote our newborns so that we will use the RMAH more.
I'm just happy to see someone ranting about WANTING to log in and being unable due to maintenance as opposed to the other junky ranting we get about how Jay Wilson is heading up a group of secret ninja-pirate-manbearpigs who sneak around in the middle of the night to rape our grandmothers and garrote our newborns so that we will use the RMAH more.
Now THATS funny!
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I'm just happy to see someone ranting about WANTING to log in and being unable due to maintenance as opposed to the other junky ranting we get about how Jay Wilson is heading up a group of secret ninja-pirate-manbearpigs who sneak around in the middle of the night to rape our grandmothers and garrote our newborns so that we will use the RMAH more.
Very very beautifully done, :-) That gets a serious Massacre bonus.
OP, I would love a rant forum. Mainly because I think a rant forum would not only encapsulate the bursts of rage people feel, but also the insanely long walls of text people put up, and WANT to put up. It would just make it easier to identify what a visitor wants to see out of this particular forum.
In regard to Shaggy's comment...in all seriousness, I feel a major shift happening here. The expansion, the proposed system updates like Loot 2.0 and Paragon 2.0, many of the datamined previews, and the AH shutdown...it just feels like the community is feeling so much better about the future of this game, and genuinely getting REexicted for the possibilities like they did at launch. I don't go to the official site forums much anymore, though I mainly see it in the Facebook comments. Normally, anything the Diablo Facebook page posts gets bombarded with hate comments, and ignorance, etc. Lately, so many more people are showing support for the game, instead of just posting the same dumb crap all the time about D2 and POE.
It'll be nice to be able to actually get to a point where we can all just talk about the game, and discuss our approaches and favorite things, etc., not to have 1) endlessly defend it to critics or 2) discuss what could improve. :-D
Maybe we can have an official /rant thread in general discussions forum.. maybe it can be a sticky...
You could have a rule in the thread that you are never allowed to reply to someone's rant.. only post your own rant for whatever it is..
Maybe we can have an official /rant thread in general discussions forum.. maybe it can be a sticky...
You could have a rule in the thread that you are never allowed to reply to someone's rant.. only post your own rant for whatever it is..
We had not one, not two, but about hundreds of /rant threads several months ago. I don't mind the change, to be honest... sooner or later the rants will come back, anyways ;-)
We used to have a sidebar on the New content page with "Status Updates" that you could comment on. Those were pretty good for ranting without having to bother others with a whole new thread.
Lately, so many more people are showing support for the game, instead of just posting the same dumb crap all the time about D2 and POE.
That's because the millions who were dissapointed with the last couple of years finally got sick of whining and waiting and just left.
The extremely large "community" that loved (and loves) D2 is basically gone, and the minority that doesn't see D3 as a flaming train wreck remains. Which is probably a win-win for both groups.
The weak console sales and relatively very slow forums, like this one, reflect this. I don't think we'll be seeing any confetti parade "fastest sale ever" news blurbs about the expansion, for that matter, unless they find a way to tie it into WoW subs.
In the bigger picture, the genre itself has been pretty well driven into the ground. No one is particularly excited about anything in the ARPG space at the moment, and this most recent generation didn't have a single title that really filled the gap left by D2, or even came close.
Lately, so many more people are showing support for the game, instead of just posting the same dumb crap all the time about D2 and POE.
That's because the millions who were dissapointed with the last couple of years finally got sick of whining and waiting and just left.
The extremely large "community" that loved (and loves) D2 is basically gone, and the minority that doesn't see D3 as a flaming train wreck remains. Which is probably a win-win for both groups.
Most will be back. I guarantee it.
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I see the line in the sand. Time to find out who I am. Looking back to see where I stand. Evolution.
I'm just happy to see someone ranting about WANTING to log in and being unable due to maintenance as opposed to the other junky ranting we get about how Jay Wilson is heading up a group of secret ninja-pirate-manbearpigs who sneak around in the middle of the night to rape our grandmothers and garrote our newborns so that we will use the RMAH more.
We used to have a sidebar on the New content page with "Status Updates" that you could comment on. Those were pretty good for ranting without having to bother others with a whole new thread.
Yeah, what happened to that?
It disappeared, but you can still make status updates by going to your profile. Problem is no one sees it without going to your profile ....
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Lately, so many more people are showing support for the game, instead of just posting the same dumb crap all the time about D2 and POE.
That's because the millions who were dissapointed with the last couple of years finally got sick of whining and waiting and just left.
The extremely large "community" that loved (and loves) D2 is basically gone, and the minority that doesn't see D3 as a flaming train wreck remains. Which is probably a win-win for both groups.
The weak console sales and relatively very slow forums, like this one, reflect this. I don't think we'll be seeing any confetti parade "fastest sale ever" news blurbs about the expansion, for that matter, unless they find a way to tie it into WoW subs.
In the bigger picture, the genre itself has been pretty well driven into the ground. No one is particularly excited about anything in the ARPG space at the moment, and this most recent generation didn't have a single title that really filled the gap left by D2, or even came close.
Gheed...
You're not wrong that the ARPG genre has been extremely lacking. I can't disagree with that. In fact, in defending D3 on console, I say it all the time...4-player local co-op ARPGs have been severely lacking. However, that's partially because of the genre itself not being seen as attractive as it once was.
Games on the whole have been getting way more advanced, the depth and storytelling ECLIPSES most big budget motion picture crapfests that Hollywood puts out, the features are getting fleshed out every generation...all in all, you're right, ARPGs are likely going, in some fashion, the way of old classic "beat-em-ups" like Streets of Rage, Final Fight, and others. Companies have tried to bring back the beat-em-up, even adding depth like quest-givers, XP, levels, skill trees, but many of them still failed because they tried to capture an old style that wasn't as attractive by turning them into GTA/RPG clones that didn't match up to the inspiration.
However, try to keep in mind...D3 was a huge seller on launch day, and as you mentioned, people left in droves because they were disappointed, they were tired of whining and complaining, and stopped playing. But many of the reasons players were leaving was because of very key points that are pretty much ALL getting addressed.
1) The Auction House...BOTH Auction Houses. Huge point of contention for thousands who feel that both paying real money, or in-game gold, completely undermines the organic gear upgrading a player can feel, and instead turns 100% of the game into an exploitive race for more wealth. Thousands of those, in fact, didn't want to use the AH, but uesd it anyway because it was better than dealing with disappointing item drops and poor itemization.
Come next March, that point of contention will be gone.
2) Itemization. Another huge point of contention. Farming, for a lot of people, was a pointless endeavor that yielded page after page of what they felt was useless garbage that they didn't want to sift through to "see the real potential." Which would often lead them to swallowing their pride and camping in the AH.
Loot 2.0 will be overhauling not only the amount of high end items, it'll be considerably raising the bar on their potency, as well as inspiring people to change and modify builds not based on popularity, but because an item they find dictates it.
3) Character progression. Another huge problem. Players all over hated how D3 got rid of skill points (even though a VAAAAAAAAAAAST majority of D2 players pretty much stuck to standard builds, that were further homogenized by patched in "synergy bonuses") and stat point allocation (even though that same VAST majority of D2 players followed the same moronic formula....enough Strength for gear, Dex or Energy depending on if you were doing a ranged or magic class....rest into Vitality).
Paragon 2.0 not only blows the lid off that ridiculous system by removing the level cap all together, but it actually benefits players the most by having more than just one character. Any time a player gains a Paragon level, all their characters gain a point to spend. I could level my Monk and make my Wizard stronger. That's pretty unreal by D2's ancient standard. Furthermore, I can actually put points into specific places I want to, instead of only 4 vague umbrella stats. Come Paragon 2.0, if I want my Barb to get most of his Strength from gear, but I want to boost his speed by boost his Dodge Chance, Paragon 2.0 lets me do that directly. If I want to raise the Armor or Resistances of my Witch Doctor or Demon Hunter, I can do that directly.
4) Personal customization. People have also hated how, when equipping the common high end gear sets, that everyone's characters look pretty much identical.
The Mystic being returned to the game, after getting removed before launch, not only fixes this, but helps with getting better gear.
EDIT: Almost forgot...5) Competitive/Social aspects...people loved the Ladders in D2, and hated not seeing them in D3. They're pretty much confirmed to be coming at some point, along with other popular multiplayer aspects, like Clans and Guilds...more than likely, better trading methods...and of course, down the road...PvP. You want to say D3 should've had PvP at launch, like it was promised, fine, I can't argue that. But the devs want to ensure players have the best PvP possible, and just looking at the changes being proposed so far...I'm sure it'll all be more than adequate.
Not to mention, "Gheed"...but I read in the datamined changes that your namesake might even be making a return.
You call D3 a "flaming train wreck"...personally...I acknowledge every one the flaws its had since launch, and in its development. I understand many of the intentions, but I acknowledge how those intentions went seriously awry. I also acknowledge, though, that the game has the undeniable potential to take many of the basic ideas and aspects people like about D2, and make them insanely better in D3.
You don't feel like warming your hands on the flames of what D3 used to look like, you're free to move on like all the other pessimists. Diablo 3 is going to turn a major corner Soon™. Count on it.
@cardinalmdm
Why would you bother to attempt to reason with a guy who seems perfectly OK equating D3 to spousal abuse, rape, and psychological torture? There's no point in trying to be logical with someone who is so illogical.
@cardinalmdm
Why would you bother to attempt to reason with a guy who seems perfectly OK equating D3 to spousal abuse, rape, and psychological torture? There's no point in trying to be logical with someone who is so illogical.
I find that I'm often a sucker for trolls...it's the trusting person that I am, thinking most people want intelligent conversation when they make claims they themselves find intelligent...
^ For those who haven't witnessed one of the best gems of south park.
I'm really not a huge fan of South Park (to put it that way), but sometimes this TV show is the mirror the society needs to see its own erratic, nonsensical behavior.
Very much like the song "Angry Mob" by "Kaiser Chiefs" - mediocre song, but the lyrics are just brilliant and sooo true.
Like right now. I know it's just the usual. I know its not a huge deal, but for the millionth time the freaking maintenance is going WELL over the announced time. And when do they decide to tell us? 4 minutes before its supposed to be up.... SURE... GREAT.... I mean seriously, why, in the freaking world can't they just build in 'OMGWTFIMSOGLADWEHADABUFFER' time into the estimates to begin with? Why SO OFTEN do they have to just suprise us with extra unplanned down time when they clearly have a history of going over already?!...
As I said earlier, I know this is silly, and vain, pointless, and really shouldn't matter. But for the love of freaking god when I read that down time extension message I felt like I just hit the shrine of +41230% nerd rage of bloody disbowelment and happy cannibalism. I wanted to feast on the guts of every freaking tech orchestrating the maintenance and crap it all out in the shape of a giant middle freaking finger!....
Anyway... Rant over... New forum?
Now THATS funny!
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Very very beautifully done, :-) That gets a serious Massacre bonus.
OP, I would love a rant forum. Mainly because I think a rant forum would not only encapsulate the bursts of rage people feel, but also the insanely long walls of text people put up, and WANT to put up. It would just make it easier to identify what a visitor wants to see out of this particular forum.
In regard to Shaggy's comment...in all seriousness, I feel a major shift happening here. The expansion, the proposed system updates like Loot 2.0 and Paragon 2.0, many of the datamined previews, and the AH shutdown...it just feels like the community is feeling so much better about the future of this game, and genuinely getting REexicted for the possibilities like they did at launch. I don't go to the official site forums much anymore, though I mainly see it in the Facebook comments. Normally, anything the Diablo Facebook page posts gets bombarded with hate comments, and ignorance, etc. Lately, so many more people are showing support for the game, instead of just posting the same dumb crap all the time about D2 and POE.
It'll be nice to be able to actually get to a point where we can all just talk about the game, and discuss our approaches and favorite things, etc., not to have 1) endlessly defend it to critics or 2) discuss what could improve. :-D
You could have a rule in the thread that you are never allowed to reply to someone's rant.. only post your own rant for whatever it is..
We had not one, not two, but about hundreds of /rant threads several months ago. I don't mind the change, to be honest... sooner or later the rants will come back, anyways ;-)
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You're a wizard Harry.....
That's because the millions who were dissapointed with the last couple of years finally got sick of whining and waiting and just left.
The extremely large "community" that loved (and loves) D2 is basically gone, and the minority that doesn't see D3 as a flaming train wreck remains. Which is probably a win-win for both groups.
The weak console sales and relatively very slow forums, like this one, reflect this. I don't think we'll be seeing any confetti parade "fastest sale ever" news blurbs about the expansion, for that matter, unless they find a way to tie it into WoW subs.
In the bigger picture, the genre itself has been pretty well driven into the ground. No one is particularly excited about anything in the ARPG space at the moment, and this most recent generation didn't have a single title that really filled the gap left by D2, or even came close.
Most will be back. I guarantee it.
I see the line in the sand. Time to find out who I am. Looking back to see where I stand. Evolution.
Member of the Dfans clan.
BNet Tag: Evolution85#1878
f**k that loser
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Gheed...
You're not wrong that the ARPG genre has been extremely lacking. I can't disagree with that. In fact, in defending D3 on console, I say it all the time...4-player local co-op ARPGs have been severely lacking. However, that's partially because of the genre itself not being seen as attractive as it once was.
Games on the whole have been getting way more advanced, the depth and storytelling ECLIPSES most big budget motion picture crapfests that Hollywood puts out, the features are getting fleshed out every generation...all in all, you're right, ARPGs are likely going, in some fashion, the way of old classic "beat-em-ups" like Streets of Rage, Final Fight, and others. Companies have tried to bring back the beat-em-up, even adding depth like quest-givers, XP, levels, skill trees, but many of them still failed because they tried to capture an old style that wasn't as attractive by turning them into GTA/RPG clones that didn't match up to the inspiration.
However, try to keep in mind...D3 was a huge seller on launch day, and as you mentioned, people left in droves because they were disappointed, they were tired of whining and complaining, and stopped playing. But many of the reasons players were leaving was because of very key points that are pretty much ALL getting addressed.
1) The Auction House...BOTH Auction Houses. Huge point of contention for thousands who feel that both paying real money, or in-game gold, completely undermines the organic gear upgrading a player can feel, and instead turns 100% of the game into an exploitive race for more wealth. Thousands of those, in fact, didn't want to use the AH, but uesd it anyway because it was better than dealing with disappointing item drops and poor itemization.
Come next March, that point of contention will be gone.
2) Itemization. Another huge point of contention. Farming, for a lot of people, was a pointless endeavor that yielded page after page of what they felt was useless garbage that they didn't want to sift through to "see the real potential." Which would often lead them to swallowing their pride and camping in the AH.
Loot 2.0 will be overhauling not only the amount of high end items, it'll be considerably raising the bar on their potency, as well as inspiring people to change and modify builds not based on popularity, but because an item they find dictates it.
3) Character progression. Another huge problem. Players all over hated how D3 got rid of skill points (even though a VAAAAAAAAAAAST majority of D2 players pretty much stuck to standard builds, that were further homogenized by patched in "synergy bonuses") and stat point allocation (even though that same VAST majority of D2 players followed the same moronic formula....enough Strength for gear, Dex or Energy depending on if you were doing a ranged or magic class....rest into Vitality).
Paragon 2.0 not only blows the lid off that ridiculous system by removing the level cap all together, but it actually benefits players the most by having more than just one character. Any time a player gains a Paragon level, all their characters gain a point to spend. I could level my Monk and make my Wizard stronger. That's pretty unreal by D2's ancient standard. Furthermore, I can actually put points into specific places I want to, instead of only 4 vague umbrella stats. Come Paragon 2.0, if I want my Barb to get most of his Strength from gear, but I want to boost his speed by boost his Dodge Chance, Paragon 2.0 lets me do that directly. If I want to raise the Armor or Resistances of my Witch Doctor or Demon Hunter, I can do that directly.
4) Personal customization. People have also hated how, when equipping the common high end gear sets, that everyone's characters look pretty much identical.
The Mystic being returned to the game, after getting removed before launch, not only fixes this, but helps with getting better gear.
EDIT: Almost forgot...5) Competitive/Social aspects...people loved the Ladders in D2, and hated not seeing them in D3. They're pretty much confirmed to be coming at some point, along with other popular multiplayer aspects, like Clans and Guilds...more than likely, better trading methods...and of course, down the road...PvP. You want to say D3 should've had PvP at launch, like it was promised, fine, I can't argue that. But the devs want to ensure players have the best PvP possible, and just looking at the changes being proposed so far...I'm sure it'll all be more than adequate.
Not to mention, "Gheed"...but I read in the datamined changes that your namesake might even be making a return.
You call D3 a "flaming train wreck"...personally...I acknowledge every one the flaws its had since launch, and in its development. I understand many of the intentions, but I acknowledge how those intentions went seriously awry. I also acknowledge, though, that the game has the undeniable potential to take many of the basic ideas and aspects people like about D2, and make them insanely better in D3.
You don't feel like warming your hands on the flames of what D3 used to look like, you're free to move on like all the other pessimists. Diablo 3 is going to turn a major corner Soon™. Count on it.
Why would you bother to attempt to reason with a guy who seems perfectly OK equating D3 to spousal abuse, rape, and psychological torture? There's no point in trying to be logical with someone who is so illogical.
I find that I'm often a sucker for trolls...it's the trusting person that I am, thinking most people want intelligent conversation when they make claims they themselves find intelligent...
But point well-taken, thank you, :-)
I'm really not a huge fan of South Park (to put it that way), but sometimes this TV show is the mirror the society needs to see its own erratic, nonsensical behavior.
Very much like the song "Angry Mob" by "Kaiser Chiefs" - mediocre song, but the lyrics are just brilliant and sooo true.