Those people with massive amounts of Unid Legendaries.

  • #1
    I realize the simple answer is bots but I see people quite often with a massive inventory of Legendary's, 42 Echos, 16 Mempos ect but I don't even understand how obtaining these EVEN with botting is obtainable.

    Seven Hundred hours in, and this is being generous due to I want to average out the time I've been level 100, I actually have 1100 hours played and I've found an exact total of 1 Mempo and 5 Echoing fury's EVER.

    It is mind boggling to think that this other guy, just finds that many more legendarys then I do! Its not just one or two people like I said, its all the time that I see these people with all of these legendarys that they're selling unid.

    There just has to be something that I'm missing.
  • #2
    Quote from Mahoraba

    I realize the simple answer is bots but I see people quite often with a massive inventory of Legendary's, 42 Echos, 16 Mempos ect but I don't even understand how obtaining these EVEN with botting is obtainable.

    Seven Hundred hours in, and this is being generous due to I want to average out the time I've been level 100, I actually have 1100 hours played and I've found an exact total of 1 Mempo and 5 Echoing fury's EVER.

    It is mind boggling to think that this other guy, just finds that many more legendarys then I do! Its not just one or two people like I said, its all the time that I see these people with all of these legendarys that they're selling unid.

    There just has to be something that I'm missing.

    I've found about 4-5 mempos and 5-6 EF, however, never found a zuni chest/IK chest + many other high end legendaries. Guess it's luck
  • #3
    I got a Paragon lvl 36 Wizard, never really "farmed" the game the way people do. I almost always played Public Games (despite not being efficient back then), and I always farmed all 4 Acts, even though I knew Act 3 was the best.

    I have found at least 3-4 Echoing Furies. People who are consistently farming at Paragon 100 (or max Magic Find), being as efficient as humanly possible and having 400k~ dps can definitely get a lot more.

    I really doubt you have farmed 700 hours at Paragon 100 and didn't get many repeated Legendaries. Are you farming at low Monster Powers? The higher chance to have an item drop (for higher MPs) can definitely improve your chances at a Legendary from what I've heard.
  • #4
    I'm about 1,000 hours on my wizard, and a combined 300 or so hours on the other classes.

    I've found two Mempos and two Witching Hours. One Ice Climbers, one Zunimassa's Marrow, one Inna's Vast Expanse, one Tal Rasha's Allegiance.

    I've never, ever found a Zunimassa's Pox, Ouroboros, Immortal King's Irons.

    People buy in bulk. Constantly. At one point I bought a couple dozen Echoing Furies and Lacuni Prowlers. I spent several hundred millions worth of gold, but I profited about 200-300M after selling off the well-rolled ones. I could have re-invested the gold and repeated the same thing over and over.

    There are players who do this on a full-time basis, just like there are players who camp the AH and RMAH day in and day out, or those who camp d2jsp and trade forums for good deals.

    Oftentimes, when you buy unID in bulk, you can get a discount. Sometimes, those who get discounts via buying bulk will resell individual unIDs for market value. This is much like real life auctions that feature "bulk lots." Tons of potential profits can be made by reselling individual items within a lot and there are many people in real life who have side jobs dedicated specifically to buying item lots.

    Then you probably have owners of bots pumping out their unID loot over and over. They all come from somewhere, but by no means will the average player accumulate 60 Manticores in their playtime. You buy them, hoard them, then either resell or gamble on the ID.
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  • #5
    bots and 1 trading account
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  • #6
    Is it really that much about "bots"? Any evidence for that? (Read: evidence...)

    If a level 63 helm drops, you can leave it unidentified and sell it for about 70m nowadays on D2JSP. If you ID it and it doesn't roll crit, you just blew 69m. I can understand that... just found a WH a couple of minutes ago, ID'ed, 8/40/11allres/poison res. Basically worthless. Could've gotten quite a lot as an unid sell... so it's not that unreasonable that there are quite a few legit unid items are floating around.
  • #7
    People buy unids's all the time...?? I'm only seeing people sell Echoing Fury unid for 10-14m. I don't know what Mempos are going for but last I checked it was around 60m unid. Still for people with billions of gold that is chump change and essentially the rich keep getting richer.

    I too have only found maybe 4 EF and have never found a mempo. Hard to say botting is the cause because botting doesn't really increase your chance of getting a mempo or echoing fury.
  • #8
    I have shit luck so I hate you all. Think I found a thing or two from Inna's...but nothing even worth remembering.

    to the OP, it's not bots....it's aliens.
  • #9
    Obv aliens.

    I never stated that I've never found repeat legendaries in my 700 hours but I can recall most of the highlights of my drops cause that moment of "Holy shit, that just dropped" is memorable.

    1x Mempo
    2x Nats ring
    2x Innas Pants
    3x Innas helm
    5x Echos
    1x Nats boots
    2x IK Gloves
    1x IK Chest

    I could keep listing but I'm sure I'd miss something anyway, I should say that I still find 3 legendaries an hour but Its almost always The Tormenter, Frostburn Gauntlets, Gladiators Gauntlets, Tzo Krin's Gaze, Mad Stone, Two handed mace, two handed sword, Sunkeeper, Inna's Favor, Fire Walkers and all of the other shitty things that I can't think of off the top of my head. Its incredible how many of the legendaries that actually can't be good, that I find.

    Now I'm just whining, I'm sorry. I created this thread mostly cause I feel as if I'm doing something wrong, I play on MP10 and I'm P100, most people are like, It rainnnnssss legendaries! Sure, the ones that can't be good.
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  • #11
    I think were talking about ppl multiboxing and controlling hundreds of bots. U see streamers buying from the same trader close to a thousand echoing furies every week.
    Its professional farming from the gold seller websites..
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  • #12
    i got like 1600 hours combined and got:
    2memphos
    5-6 EF
    3IK chests
    3zuni pox (1 trifecta)
    +-10 ice climbers
    and like was said before traders or bots but second one seems more likely
    economy on softcore is really bad that's why i started HC. Game is so easy. and 90% of HC deaths are cause of server/internet lags these days so it's kinda safe but economy is way more healthy ( i am sure there are HC bots too but not that many as on SC)
  • #13
    Quote from Bagstone

    If a level 63 helm drops, you can leave it unidentified and sell it for about 70m nowadays on D2JSP. If you ID it and it doesn't roll crit, you just blew 69m.


    That much? What are the odds of rolling crit?

    Quote from gurg0

    i got like 1600 hours combined and got:
    2memphos
    5-6 EF
    3IK chests
    3zuni pox (1 trifecta)
    +-10 ice climbers


    Suppose, you owe me some boots! My Fire Walkers - Ice Climbers ratio is about 50:0 ;) (not exactly sure of the first number)

    I found several Mempos, that I remember, but I think, most of them were when they were bugged and rolled without a main stat. I think, it's reasonable to find most of the items once, not all of them for statistical reasons, several multiple times for the same reasons.

    Common sense tells us that there are many bots out there farming stuff. Someone with 50 bots could obtain an inventory of Mempos in less than a week, I think. But there is no evidence, which items have been found legitimately and which were gathered by bots. Therefore people who buy them don't know, if they're buying legal stuff or not. They could make an educated guess when buying in bulk, but I don't demand that they care, if they don't buy them, someone else will.
  • #14
    I found a shitton of legendaries - specialy with the bday buff up...Worth selling?

    - 2 Manticores(way before paragon went live) rolled well and sold each for 250mil.(one when 250mil was a freaking amount of gold)
    - 1 Tal Chest rolled all res and sold for 200mil
    - 1 ice climber with decent roll sold for 50mil
    - 1 Zuni Vison with 4,5% crit sold for 100mil
    - Found 3 witching hours. 1 way back when the crappy went for 30 or 40mil. Sold that with a decent roll for 150mil and the other two found last days and sold for 4 and 8mil

    Found like 10 ef splitt between all my chars and all rolled bad = brimstone. Same with mempo´s. Found like 5 total and none with crit. No luck on rings and amulets either. Oh and ofc many mighty belts(legendary and set) and they all rolled for a brimstone. :P

    All my decent blues(close after lunch) and decent/good rares sold for way more together then all my legendaries. :o
  • #15
    supply and demand
    people who have large amounts of unid are buyers and have suppliers. i have a personal unid buyer/sell friend who told me how it works and it's pretty simple too. funny how he doesn't even play and just sits and wait, earn gold, cash out 90%, buy gold with 10%, repeat
    while me, farming my life away 24/7, has yielded disastrous results. even though i amassed supposed 'good ones' i just don't have the heart or will anymore to id them so i give them away via contests that i hold from time to time in the wizard forum (US forum).
  • #16
    I have 45k elite kills and 1.1m lifetime kills now. I think in all my playtime so far this is an approximation of what I found:
    • 200 andariel's visages
    • 40 natalya´s boots
    • 40 natalya´s chests
    • 10 witching hours
    • 25 lacunis
    • 15 echoing furies
    • 15 inna pants
    • 8 skorns
    • 4 mempos
    • 5 manticores
    • 5 IK chests
    • 5 zuni chests
    • 20 zuni helms
    • 5 chantodo's wands
    • 2 chantodo's forces
    • etc
    So it has to be from just playing the market, or duping. I can´t imagine bots flooding the market.
  • #17
    you do find a lot legendaries with high mf/paragon level on high mps. that combined with the group buff to mf, the tendency to farm very high monster powers and the now cheap items necessary to farm them lead to more legendary drops.

    But those legendaries are worth less and less with mediocre stats, so the unid prices rise and it becomes more appealing to the average player to sell unid legendaries.

    so of course parts of those unid bulks come from "legit" players but the majority of it doesnt. it's naive to assume, that bots aren't involved.
  • #18
    Quote from inmemo

    you do find a lot legendaries with high mf/paragon level on high mps. that combined with the group buff to mf, the tendency to farm very high monster powers and the now cheap items necessary to farm them lead to more legendary drops.

    But those legendaries are worth less and less with mediocre stats, so the unid prices rise and it becomes more appealing to the average player to sell unid legendaries.

    so of course parts of those unid bulks come from "legit" players but the majority of it doesnt. it's naive to assume, that bots aren't involved.


    i have to disagree with the "you do find a lot legendaries with high mf/paragon level on high mps."
  • #19
    Quote from pichapie

    Quote from inmemo

    you do find a lot legendaries with high mf/paragon level on high mps. that combined with the group buff to mf, the tendency to farm very high monster powers and the now cheap items necessary to farm them lead to more legendary drops.

    But those legendaries are worth less and less with mediocre stats, so the unid prices rise and it becomes more appealing to the average player to sell unid legendaries.

    so of course parts of those unid bulks come from "legit" players but the majority of it doesnt. it's naive to assume, that bots aren't involved.


    i have to disagree with the "you do find a lot legendaries with high mf/paragon level on high mps."


    No, he's right. I played a lot last week, when I was sick and the amount of legendaries was immense at plvl90+ in MP7 Fields of Misery. It's just that most of them are Spirit Stones, Wizard Hats and Hand Crossbows. Not to forget Gloves ofc..
  • #20
    Quote from Solmyr77

    Quote from pichapie

    Quote from inmemo

    you do find a lot legendaries with high mf/paragon level on high mps. that combined with the group buff to mf, the tendency to farm very high monster powers and the now cheap items necessary to farm them lead to more legendary drops.

    But those legendaries are worth less and less with mediocre stats, so the unid prices rise and it becomes more appealing to the average player to sell unid legendaries.

    so of course parts of those unid bulks come from "legit" players but the majority of it doesnt. it's naive to assume, that bots aren't involved.


    i have to disagree with the "you do find a lot legendaries with high mf/paragon level on high mps."


    No, he's right. I played a lot last week, when I was sick and the amount of legendaries was immense at plvl90+ in MP7 Fields of Misery. It's just that most of them are Spirit Stones, Wizard Hats and Hand Crossbows. Not to forget Gloves ofc..

    Yes this is true. I noticed at 1.0.7 myself that the cutoff point seemed to be paragon level 70 in a full group on mp10. That's when I noticed an increased drop frequency over my sample size.
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