Gold duping in diablo

  • #162
    do not hate the player hate the game :)
    seriously some of you should stop putting what other people are saying out of context...
    and just because some are able to take advantage of the game's weaknesses does not mean that we should be unhappy with them
    we should be unhappy with THE game which gave them the oportunity to exploit it in such a fassion in the first place.
    for me item-flipping is the same **** as this bug with the gold

    Quote from Derpz123



    tl;dr Glad I did it, sorry for the community, but thats it.

    And what would be best for the community is a complete rollback (duh), along with a thorough evaluation of their development and Q&A methods.

  • #163
    Quote from locoenough2

    we should be unhappy with THE game which gave them the oportunity to exploit it in such a fassion in the first place.


    Everyone IS unhappy that bug made it live. That doesn't justify anyone doing something that's obviously an exploit to gain a massive advantage (in this case, their significantly larger gold pile) and NOT reporting it immediately to Blizzard so that they could fix it before it got out of control.

    No, the streaming douchebags sat there, showing everyone how to do it, making it a more widespread problem, and laughing the whole time about it. Blizzard allowed the bug to go live, but that is not justification for anything that anyone did in terms of duping.

    If you truly think that it's OK for people to dupe hundreds of billions of gold just because Blizzard didn't pick up every single bug then I have no words. It's obvious that duping is not OK. There is no question that duping items is not, and never has been, OK, no matter what the circumstances are.

    Sticking up for people who broke one of the most basic rules is disgusting. The bottom line is that, if these people were so innocent and not interested in breaking the rules, they would have reported it immediately instead of continuing to abuse it to the point that we're now two days into this with no ETA. Instead of teaching people how to do it via streams, it should have been kept silent, shared with Blizzard so they could fix it immediately, and NOT done ad nauseum.

    But it was and that's exactly why these people deserve every ounce of the bans they get. They took a bad situation (a bug) and, instead of doing the right thing, they did the wrong thing and turned something small into a major fiasco.

    I don't know how old you are, but based on your attitude I'm going to guess you're at least younger than I am in some capacity, and frankly I'm always shocked at how fast generations beyond mine are to pass the blame onto everyone else instead of taking responsibility for their own choices.
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  • #164
    Quote from locoenough2

    do not hate the player hate the game :)
    seriously some of you should stop putting what other people are saying out of context...
    and just because some are able to take advantage of the game's weaknesses does not mean that we should be unhappy with them
    we should be unhappy with THE game which gave them the oportunity to exploit it in such a fassion in the first place.
    for me item-flipping is the same **** as this bug with the gold

    Quote from Derpz123

    tl;dr Glad I did it, sorry for the community, but thats it.

    And what would be best for the community is a complete rollback (duh), along with a thorough evaluation of their development and Q&A methods.




    We have rules in society, we have rules in the game. they are clearly spelled out.

    The nature of the business, that is programming massive PC game software such as D3, will always witness new bugs. Realizing this, the respective companies can only do so much to test what is essentially millions of variables that could cause a bug. One decimal point out of place, one bad string, and something catastrophic can unfold.

    To this end, it is incumbent upon the players (per the clearly stated ToS rule) that if they stumble upon a game breaking bug, not to exploit it. Rather, for the sake fo the games community, report the bug ASAP and DO NOT take advantage.

    Why is this so fucking hard to understand? Is this a generational issue? Is it just how young people think these days, with such a fervent sense of entitlement that they think if they cannot be prevented from cheating, that it's then OK to cheat?

    Really?
  • #165
    I'll be really pissed off if they don't get all the stragglers like the one poster describing him trying to self launder his own gold, or the influx of purchased items with the duped gold.

    Granted I imagine they won't get everything..but I have no mercy or pity for the people who willingly tried to destroy this game by raping the economy.
  • #166
    They should have just one a roll back from the beginning, the game was only live for 4 hours when they realised the bug.

    Now, 2 days on, they are still going through the data log to find the "cheaters".

    Lucky i'm on EU! GOOOOOOO TEAM!
  • #167
    Quote from Stephenk291

    I'll be really pissed off if they don't get all the stragglers like the one poster describing him trying to self launder his own gold, or the influx of purchased items with the duped gold.

    Granted I imagine they won't get everything..but I have no mercy or pity for the people who willingly tried to destroy this game by raping the economy.

    I'm sure we'll have a few trolls who have 5 billion gold legit messing around with the community by saying how they didn't have anything before the bug and how Blizzard didn't get them.

    Pretty... damn... sure...
  • #168
    Quote from Zero(pS)

    Quote from Stephenk291

    I'll be really pissed off if they don't get all the stragglers like the one poster describing him trying to self launder his own gold, or the influx of purchased items with the duped gold.

    Granted I imagine they won't get everything..but I have no mercy or pity for the people who willingly tried to destroy this game by raping the economy.

    I'm sure we'll have a few trolls who have 5 billion gold legit messing around with the community by saying how they didn't have anything before the bug and how Blizzard didn't get them.

    Pretty... damn... sure...


    Oh I'm sure we will. I just still cannot understand why they didn't just do a rollback. My guess is..they probably cannot do a full server rollback with this game. I understand the RMAH transactions could pose a pesky problem, but who knows. I just hope for it taking this long that they nail them all. I did find it interesting they've turned peoples items into BOA, that's pretty funny but was somewhat expected. I suppose the gold that was used to buy the items would still go to the proper individual.
  • #169
    @TehAdi I heard you want a tough gaming experience :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnWot7bX-_c

    Lemme know if you want the download link :P

    I always laugh at these :lol:. Now off to infract myself for being off-topic...
  • #170
    This 1.08 fuckup on US D3 is no big deal...
    Buggy Patches happen all the time, and not only at Blizzard.

    However, the big deal is... they won`t rollback.

    I mean, they write "Fair Play" with big letters, ban all people who use cheats, hacks and exploits.
    And on the flipside, they screw up the entire economy on US and do nothing to fix it.

    Hypocrite at its finest ;)

    A cynic might file a lawsuit, because they are violating their own ToS :D
  • #171
    Quote from ruksak

    Quote from locoenough2

    do not hate the player hate the game :)
    seriously some of you should stop putting what other people are saying out of context...
    and just because some are able to take advantage of the game's weaknesses does not mean that we should be unhappy with them
    we should be unhappy with THE game which gave them the oportunity to exploit it in such a fassion in the first place.
    for me item-flipping is the same **** as this bug with the gold

    Quote from Derpz123

    tl;dr Glad I did it, sorry for the community, but thats it.

    And what would be best for the community is a complete rollback (duh), along with a thorough evaluation of their development and Q&A methods.




    We have rules in society, we have rules in the game. they are clearly spelled out.

    The nature of the business that is programming massive PC game software such as D3 will always witness new bugs. Realizing this, the respective companies can only do so much to test what is essentially millions of variables that could cause a bug. One decimal point out of place, one bad string, and something catastrophic can unfold.

    To this end, it is incumbent upon the players (per the clearly stated ToS rule) that if they stumble upon a game breaking bug, not to exploit it. Rather, for the sake fo the games community, report the bug ASAP and DO NOT take advantage.

    Why is this so fucking hard to understand? Is this a generational issue? Is it just how young people think these days, with such a fervent sense of entitlement that they think if they cannot be prevented from cheating, that it's then OK to cheat?

    Really?


    Guess what, D3 isn't real life.

    Real life money is good. D3 money is .. meaningless?

    The money I will possibly make off this game would be quite nice. An account ban is not enough risk to counterbalance the profit.

    I'm sure "your generation" learned that real money and monopoly money are not of equal value, and that if the opportunity presents itself to exchange monopoly money for real currency, it is best seized.

    Or maybe thats just my stupid generation and yours knows far beter. You keep that moral high ground and your goldpieces, I'll keep the dollars :)

    Ah and this whole thing is a bit like the times ATM machines go broke and give out too much or even free money.

    Do you only see younger people try to get in on that? I don't think so.

    Now I know you would report this kind of error in all honesty, you wouldn't boast about your integrity, but I'm not ashamed to say that I would gladly accept the free bills.

    Guess what, if I fuck up at work, it is my fault. Its not the customers fault for taking advantage of my screw-ups.

    Real life works like that. Video game companies may be used to hiding behind their pretty EULAs while using sales practices resembling those of heroine-dealers, but that doesn't mean it should be acceptable, and I sure don't feel bad about abusing their faulty products.

    In fact if this completely killed of D3 softcore on the US, it would be a great signal.

    "don't release beta shit".
  • #172
    Quote from Derpz123

    Guess what, D3 isn't real life.

    Real life money is good. D3 money is .. meaningless?


    The seriousness of this issue cannot be better quantified other than to say ; Too many people, especially the one's partaking in this exploit....D3 money = real money. This was a RMAH exclusive issue. Heretofore ......your above statement missed it's mark by several miles.

    Or maybe thats just my stupid generation and yours knows far beter. You keep that moral high ground and your goldpieces, I'll keep the dollars :)


    "Dollars"? Wait a minute...didn't you just enlighten me as to how D3 money isn't real money? Hey wait a minute.....I'm confused. Or is it you that's confused?
  • #173
    Quote from ruksak

    Quote from Derpz123

    Guess what, D3 isn't real life.

    Real life money is good. D3 money is .. meaningless?


    The seriousness of this issue cannot be better quantified other than to say ; Too many people, especially the one's partaking in this exploit....D3 money = real money. This was a RMAH exclusive issue. Heretofore ......your above statement missed it's mark by several miles.

    Or maybe thats just my stupid generation and yours knows far beter. You keep that moral high ground and your goldpieces, I'll keep the dollars :)


    "Dollars"? Wait a minute...didn't you just enlighten me as to how D3 money isn't real money? Hey wait a minute.....I'm confused. Or is it you that's confused?


    D3 gold in sufficient quanities is real money.

    D3 gold like a legit player can gather it?

    Pennies ? Pences? Dimes?

    I don't know a small enough notation.

    Just looking at your profile, I don't think its 5 billion value total. I'm being optimistic to make a point.

    Lets say its 5 billion, how much time did you play for that?

    Because generating 4.5 billion took about 15 seconds a few days ago.

    Perspective is good.
  • #174
    Quote from Derpz123

    Quote from ruksak

    Quote from locoenough2

    do not hate the player hate the game :)
    seriously some of you should stop putting what other people are saying out of context...
    and just because some are able to take advantage of the game's weaknesses does not mean that we should be unhappy with them
    we should be unhappy with THE game which gave them the oportunity to exploit it in such a fassion in the first place.
    for me item-flipping is the same **** as this bug with the gold

    Quote from Derpz123

    tl;dr Glad I did it, sorry for the community, but thats it.

    And what would be best for the community is a complete rollback (duh), along with a thorough evaluation of their development and Q&A methods.




    We have rules in society, we have rules in the game. they are clearly spelled out.

    The nature of the business that is programming massive PC game software such as D3 will always witness new bugs. Realizing this, the respective companies can only do so much to test what is essentially millions of variables that could cause a bug. One decimal point out of place, one bad string, and something catastrophic can unfold.

    To this end, it is incumbent upon the players (per the clearly stated ToS rule) that if they stumble upon a game breaking bug, not to exploit it. Rather, for the sake fo the games community, report the bug ASAP and DO NOT take advantage.

    Why is this so fucking hard to understand? Is this a generational issue? Is it just how young people think these days, with such a fervent sense of entitlement that they think if they cannot be prevented from cheating, that it's then OK to cheat?

    Really?


    Guess what, D3 isn't real life.

    Real life money is good. D3 money is .. meaningless?

    The money I will possibly make off this game would be quite nice. An account ban is not enough risk to counterbalance the profit.

    I'm sure "your generation" learned that real money and monopoly money are not of equal value, and that if the opportunity presents itself to exchange monopoly money for real currency, it is best seized.

    Or maybe thats just my stupid generation and yours knows far beter. You keep that moral high ground and your goldpieces, I'll keep the dollars :)

    Ah and this whole thing is a bit like the times ATM machines go broke and give out too much or even free money.

    Do you only see younger people try to get in on that? I don't think so.

    Now I know you would report this kind of error in all honesty, you wouldn't boast about your integrity, but I'm not ashamed to say that I would gladly accept the free bills.

    Guess what, if I fuck up at work, it is my fault. Its not the customers fault for taking advantage of my screw-ups.

    Real life works like that. Video game companies may be used to hiding behind their pretty EULAs while using sales practices resembling those of heroine-dealers, but that doesn't mean it should be acceptable, and I sure don't feel bad about abusing their faulty products.

    In fact if this completely killed of D3 softcore on the US, it would be a great signal.

    "don't release beta shit".


    The moment real money = gold * coefficient, gold became real money.
  • #175
    ^^Why is this dude still here? Can we at least tar-and-feather him?
  • #176
    Quote from Indimix

    Quote from Derpz123

    Quote from ruksak

    Quote from locoenough2

    do not hate the player hate the game :)
    seriously some of you should stop putting what other people are saying out of context...
    and just because some are able to take advantage of the game's weaknesses does not mean that we should be unhappy with them
    we should be unhappy with THE game which gave them the oportunity to exploit it in such a fassion in the first place.
    for me item-flipping is the same **** as this bug with the gold

    Quote from Derpz123

    tl;dr Glad I did it, sorry for the community, but thats it.

    And what would be best for the community is a complete rollback (duh), along with a thorough evaluation of their development and Q&A methods.




    We have rules in society, we have rules in the game. they are clearly spelled out.

    The nature of the business that is programming massive PC game software such as D3 will always witness new bugs. Realizing this, the respective companies can only do so much to test what is essentially millions of variables that could cause a bug. One decimal point out of place, one bad string, and something catastrophic can unfold.

    To this end, it is incumbent upon the players (per the clearly stated ToS rule) that if they stumble upon a game breaking bug, not to exploit it. Rather, for the sake fo the games community, report the bug ASAP and DO NOT take advantage.

    Why is this so fucking hard to understand? Is this a generational issue? Is it just how young people think these days, with such a fervent sense of entitlement that they think if they cannot be prevented from cheating, that it's then OK to cheat?

    Really?


    Guess what, D3 isn't real life.

    Real life money is good. D3 money is .. meaningless?

    The money I will possibly make off this game would be quite nice. An account ban is not enough risk to counterbalance the profit.

    I'm sure "your generation" learned that real money and monopoly money are not of equal value, and that if the opportunity presents itself to exchange monopoly money for real currency, it is best seized.

    Or maybe thats just my stupid generation and yours knows far beter. You keep that moral high ground and your goldpieces, I'll keep the dollars :)

    Ah and this whole thing is a bit like the times ATM machines go broke and give out too much or even free money.

    Do you only see younger people try to get in on that? I don't think so.

    Now I know you would report this kind of error in all honesty, you wouldn't boast about your integrity, but I'm not ashamed to say that I would gladly accept the free bills.

    Guess what, if I fuck up at work, it is my fault. Its not the customers fault for taking advantage of my screw-ups.

    Real life works like that. Video game companies may be used to hiding behind their pretty EULAs while using sales practices resembling those of heroine-dealers, but that doesn't mean it should be acceptable, and I sure don't feel bad about abusing their faulty products.

    In fact if this completely killed of D3 softcore on the US, it would be a great signal.

    "don't release beta shit".


    The moment real money = gold * coefficient, gold became real money.


    Sure, but quanitity is important.

    The average legit player doesn't make enough gold to make it worthwhile.

    2 mil an hour, thats what at current marketprice? I'm looking for a chinaman to befriend so I've visited quite a lot of sites on the topic ;)

    One site sells 300 mil (smallest amount) for 26,40$.

    When you make 2 mil an hour (most don't) and play hundreds and hundreds of hours .. you might have 0.5% of the stash some people generated in 15 minutes.

    Looking forward to AH uptime :)
  • #177
    Quote from maka

    ^^Why is this dude still here? Can we at least tar-and-feather him?


    I thought it would be interesting to share my experiences here and got off-track :)

    After I round up my dealings I'll provide some pics, so it happened.
  • #178
    Wow I've never been more glad to be a european player.

    I'm not one to even follow streams but Kongor is right, this was the worst thing to ever happen to d3. I have no idea how they are going to fix such a screw up and I honestly doubt the US market will ever be the same again.

    And the worse part is now they are stuck with fixing this situation instead of working on improving the game. They're are also prob on an internal headhunt to figure out who's responsible. Suddenly the itemization updates and the MUCH needed love for DHs are further and further away.
  • #179
    Quote from Derpz123


    D3 gold in sufficient quanities is real money.

    D3 gold like a legit player can gather it?

    Pennies ? Pences? Dimes?

    I don't know a small enough notation.

    Just looking at your profile, I don't think its 5 billion value total. I'm being optimistic to make a point.

    Lets say its 5 billion, how much time did you play for that?

    Because generating 4.5 billion took about 15 seconds a few days ago.

    Perspective is good.


    I honestly think you're missing the point here. Pennies, nickles, dimes, dolla dolla bils y'all....shit makes no difference. It's real money....pennies make dollars and dollars makes sense...catch meh drift?

    Sure wish my account was worth 5 billion. It is, maybe 300m?

    Anywho....even the average, casual, part time guy can clock big $$$money$$$ in real dollars on the back of one drop. Not likely, not easy, but true nonetheless.
  • #180
    Wouldn't wanna be the guy that let this bug go through.....I'm sure heads will roll.

    Also, wouldn't wanna be Derpz. I'd make my own head roll.
  • #181
    Quote from ruksak

    Quote from Derpz123

    D3 gold in sufficient quanities is real money.

    D3 gold like a legit player can gather it?

    Pennies ? Pences? Dimes?

    I don't know a small enough notation.

    Just looking at your profile, I don't think its 5 billion value total. I'm being optimistic to make a point.

    Lets say its 5 billion, how much time did you play for that?

    Because generating 4.5 billion took about 15 seconds a few days ago.

    Perspective is good.


    I honestly think you're missing the point here. Pennies, nickles, dimes, dolla dolla bils y'all....shit makes no difference. It's real money....pennies make dollars and dollars makes sense...catch meh drift?

    Sure wish my account was worth 5 billion. It is, maybe 300m?

    Anywho....even the average, casual, part time guy can clock big $$$money$$$ in real dollars on the back of one drop. Not likely, not easy, but true nonetheless.


    Sure, an average guy can win the lottery, we know the odds on that.

    But looking at your profile, would you want to sell all your gear, for the money 300m would get you?

    I'm guessing no, and 99% of legit players are in your situation.
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