I used 3 accounts to cycle gems & flip stuff during the "2 beez" incident.
My main and mule are unsuspended, all their items besides commodities are now bound to account. 2nd mule got banned. Might have went slightly overboard on that one, but I didn't care much for the account anyway.
Gold on main and first mule left untouched.
Bazinga! :Thumbs Up:
The simple fact that all your items are bound to account tells me that Blizzard is very much aware of your activity. Some of the recent blue posts make it clear they are still working on their forensics investigation and either haven't decided or haven't implemented account-specific rollbacks, inventory modifications, gold removal, etc. They don't need to rush this - you can't trade your gold to any other account, and since your items were made BOA, you can't even trade your items.
Let's revisit this in 1 week. If you still have all your gold and items, then Blizzard failed at doing what they are claiming they can do. I was initially very skeptical, but now I'm not so sure. Only time will tell.
we should be unhappy with THE game which gave them the oportunity to exploit it in such a fassion in the first place.
Everyone IS unhappy that bug made it live. That doesn't justify anyone doing something that's obviously an exploit to gain a massive advantage (in this case, their significantly larger gold pile) and NOT reporting it immediately to Blizzard so that they could fix it before it got out of control.
No, the streaming douchebags sat there, showing everyone how to do it, making it a more widespread problem, and laughing the whole time about it. Blizzard allowed the bug to go live, but that is not justification for anything that anyone did in terms of duping.
If you truly think that it's OK for people to dupe hundreds of billions of gold just because Blizzard didn't pick up every single bug then I have no words. It's obvious that duping is not OK. There is no question that duping items is not, and never has been, OK, no matter what the circumstances are.
Sticking up for people who broke one of the most basic rules is disgusting. The bottom line is that, if these people were so innocent and not interested in breaking the rules, they would have reported it immediately instead of continuing to abuse it to the point that we're now two days into this with no ETA. Instead of teaching people how to do it via streams, it should have been kept silent, shared with Blizzard so they could fix it immediately, and NOT done ad nauseum.
But it was and that's exactly why these people deserve every ounce of the bans they get. They took a bad situation (a bug) and, instead of doing the right thing, they did the wrong thing and turned something small into a major fiasco.
I don't know how old you are, but based on your attitude I'm going to guess you're at least younger than I am in some capacity, and frankly I'm always shocked at how fast generations beyond mine are to pass the blame onto everyone else instead of taking responsibility for their own choices.
do not hate the player hate the game
seriously some of you should stop putting what other people are saying out of context...
and just because some are able to take advantage of the game's weaknesses does not mean that we should be unhappy with them
we should be unhappy with THE game which gave them the oportunity to exploit it in such a fassion in the first place.
for me item-flipping is the same **** as this bug with the gold
tl;dr Glad I did it, sorry for the community, but thats it.
And what would be best for the community is a complete rollback (duh), along with a thorough evaluation of their development and Q&A methods.
We have rules in society, we have rules in the game. they are clearly spelled out.
The nature of the business, that is programming massive PC game software such as D3, will always witness new bugs. Realizing this, the respective companies can only do so much to test what is essentially millions of variables that could cause a bug. One decimal point out of place, one bad string, and something catastrophic can unfold.
To this end, it is incumbent upon the players (per the clearly stated ToS rule) that if they stumble upon a game breaking bug, not to exploit it. Rather, for the sake fo the games community, report the bug ASAP and DO NOT take advantage.
Why is this so fucking hard to understand? Is this a generational issue? Is it just how young people think these days, with such a fervent sense of entitlement that they think if they cannot be prevented from cheating, that it's then OK to cheat?
I'll be really pissed off if they don't get all the stragglers like the one poster describing him trying to self launder his own gold, or the influx of purchased items with the duped gold.
Granted I imagine they won't get everything..but I have no mercy or pity for the people who willingly tried to destroy this game by raping the economy.
I'll be really pissed off if they don't get all the stragglers like the one poster describing him trying to self launder his own gold, or the influx of purchased items with the duped gold.
Granted I imagine they won't get everything..but I have no mercy or pity for the people who willingly tried to destroy this game by raping the economy.
I'm sure we'll have a few trolls who have 5 billion gold legit messing around with the community by saying how they didn't have anything before the bug and how Blizzard didn't get them.
I'll be really pissed off if they don't get all the stragglers like the one poster describing him trying to self launder his own gold, or the influx of purchased items with the duped gold.
Granted I imagine they won't get everything..but I have no mercy or pity for the people who willingly tried to destroy this game by raping the economy.
I'm sure we'll have a few trolls who have 5 billion gold legit messing around with the community by saying how they didn't have anything before the bug and how Blizzard didn't get them.
Pretty... damn... sure...
Oh I'm sure we will. I just still cannot understand why they didn't just do a rollback. My guess is..they probably cannot do a full server rollback with this game. I understand the RMAH transactions could pose a pesky problem, but who knows. I just hope for it taking this long that they nail them all. I did find it interesting they've turned peoples items into BOA, that's pretty funny but was somewhat expected. I suppose the gold that was used to buy the items would still go to the proper individual.
This 1.08 fuckup on US D3 is no big deal...
Buggy Patches happen all the time, and not only at Blizzard.
However, the big deal is... they won`t rollback.
I mean, they write "Fair Play" with big letters, ban all people who use cheats, hacks and exploits.
And on the flipside, they screw up the entire economy on US and do nothing to fix it.
Hypocrite at its finest
A cynic might file a lawsuit, because they are violating their own ToS
Real life money is good. D3 money is .. meaningless?
The seriousness of this issue cannot be better quantified other than to say ; Too many people, especially the one's partaking in this exploit....D3 money = real money. This was a RMAH exclusive issue. Heretofore ......your above statement missed it's mark by several miles.
Or maybe thats just my stupid generation and yours knows far beter. You keep that moral high ground and your goldpieces, I'll keep the dollars
"Dollars"? Wait a minute...didn't you just enlighten me as to how D3 money isn't real money? Hey wait a minute.....I'm confused. Or is it you that's confused?
do not hate the player hate the game
seriously some of you should stop putting what other people are saying out of context...
and just because some are able to take advantage of the game's weaknesses does not mean that we should be unhappy with them
we should be unhappy with THE game which gave them the oportunity to exploit it in such a fassion in the first place.
for me item-flipping is the same **** as this bug with the gold
tl;dr Glad I did it, sorry for the community, but thats it.
And what would be best for the community is a complete rollback (duh), along with a thorough evaluation of their development and Q&A methods.
We have rules in society, we have rules in the game. they are clearly spelled out.
The nature of the business that is programming massive PC game software such as D3 will always witness new bugs. Realizing this, the respective companies can only do so much to test what is essentially millions of variables that could cause a bug. One decimal point out of place, one bad string, and something catastrophic can unfold.
To this end, it is incumbent upon the players (per the clearly stated ToS rule) that if they stumble upon a game breaking bug, not to exploit it. Rather, for the sake fo the games community, report the bug ASAP and DO NOT take advantage.
Why is this so fucking hard to understand? Is this a generational issue? Is it just how young people think these days, with such a fervent sense of entitlement that they think if they cannot be prevented from cheating, that it's then OK to cheat?
Really?
Guess what, D3 isn't real life.
Real life money is good. D3 money is .. meaningless?
The money I will possibly make off this game would be quite nice. An account ban is not enough risk to counterbalance the profit.
I'm sure "your generation" learned that real money and monopoly money are not of equal value, and that if the opportunity presents itself to exchange monopoly money for real currency, it is best seized.
Or maybe thats just my stupid generation and yours knows far beter. You keep that moral high ground and your goldpieces, I'll keep the dollars
Ah and this whole thing is a bit like the times ATM machines go broke and give out too much or even free money.
Do you only see younger people try to get in on that? I don't think so.
Now I know you would report this kind of error in all honesty, you wouldn't boast about your integrity, but I'm not ashamed to say that I would gladly accept the free bills.
Guess what, if I fuck up at work, it is my fault. Its not the customers fault for taking advantage of my screw-ups.
Real life works like that. Video game companies may be used to hiding behind their pretty EULAs while using sales practices resembling those of heroine-dealers, but that doesn't mean it should be acceptable, and I sure don't feel bad about abusing their faulty products.
In fact if this completely killed of D3 softcore on the US, it would be a great signal.
"don't release beta shit".
The moment real money = gold * coefficient, gold became real money.
Just looking at your profile, I don't think its 5 billion value total. I'm being optimistic to make a point.
Lets say its 5 billion, how much time did you play for that?
Because generating 4.5 billion took about 15 seconds a few days ago.
Perspective is good.
I honestly think you're missing the point here. Pennies, nickles, dimes, dolla dolla bils y'all....shit makes no difference. It's real money....pennies make dollars and dollars makes sense...catch meh drift?
Sure wish my account was worth 5 billion. It is, maybe 300m?
Anywho....even the average, casual, part time guy can clock big $$$money$$$ in real dollars on the back of one drop. Not likely, not easy, but true nonetheless.
Wouldn't wanna be the guy that let this bug go through.....I'm sure heads will roll.
Also, wouldn't wanna be Derpz. I'd make my own head roll.
That depends if hes merely trolling or not, either way they're still working on things so if hes truthful, hes not out of the woods yet. I imagine some will slip through the cracks but I suppose there is nothing they can do about that.
Sure, an average guy can win the lottery, we know the odds on that.
But looking at your profile, would you want to sell all your gear, for the money 300m would get you?
I'm guessing no, and 99% of legit players are in your situation.
Straight up....I paid $60 bucks for the right to play D3, and that's the limit of my injection of real money into this realm. I don't dabble in real money for pixels, buying or selling. Never will.
And heck NO I wouldn't trade my gear for any amount of money that wasn't far FAR more than it's worth. All that piddly gear I have on my Monk, that many "elitists" would laugh at...represents near a year of hard work and well earned golds.
Back on topic; What you did was bad for the community, but it's hard to really blame you. I don't really think one way or another of you, personally, for what you did.
I wouldn't have done it, but that's just me. So long as you're willing to suffer the consequence, should they arise, then all is good.
Straight up....I paid $60 bucks for the right to play D3, and that's the limit of my injection of real money into this realm. I don't dabble in real money for pixels, buying or selling. Never will.
And heck NO I wouldn't trade my gear for any amount of money that wasn't far FAR more than it's worth. All that piddly gear I have on my Monk, that many "elitists" would laugh at...represents near a year of hard work and well earned golds.
Bingo!! Im in the same boat. I paid my 60 and and have just average Joe Blow gear and I wont trade it for anything. If I happen to sell some for money great but thats a bonus to me. Ill never exceed my original 60 bucks I put into the game.
I personally could give a rats ass about the whole gold dupe fiasco. It will wash out in the end and Ill still be able to get my characters to roll MP10 efficiently without spending trillions in gold because 99.9% of the community playing the game dont have trillions to spend. I actually find it funny that I can roll MP10 with Ruk and dominate it and we have what maybe 1 bil of gear between us and people have spent 10's of billions and do the same thing we do what 10 minutes faster? Us Joe Blow avarage players will still sell stuff at a resonable price and the elitist will hored the BiS stuff and eventually the market for it will dry up for them while us average Joes continue on our way playing a game.
People will get away with the dupe and it doesnt bother me a bit. Its something I wouldnt do but hey Id return a wallet with the money still in it but than again I take pride in myself and the things I do. Crazy concept isnt it.
The simple fact that all your items are bound to account tells me that Blizzard is very much aware of your activity. Some of the recent blue posts make it clear they are still working on their forensics investigation and either haven't decided or haven't implemented account-specific rollbacks, inventory modifications, gold removal, etc. They don't need to rush this - you can't trade your gold to any other account, and since your items were made BOA, you can't even trade your items.
Let's revisit this in 1 week. If you still have all your gold and items, then Blizzard failed at doing what they are claiming they can do. I was initially very skeptical, but now I'm not so sure. Only time will tell.
I would imagine that mandatory overtime has been invoked. It's not like this is some small issue that they're gonna shelve for the weekend.
Because your items are BoA now, believe me, they're not done looking at you.
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Everyone IS unhappy that bug made it live. That doesn't justify anyone doing something that's obviously an exploit to gain a massive advantage (in this case, their significantly larger gold pile) and NOT reporting it immediately to Blizzard so that they could fix it before it got out of control.
No, the streaming douchebags sat there, showing everyone how to do it, making it a more widespread problem, and laughing the whole time about it. Blizzard allowed the bug to go live, but that is not justification for anything that anyone did in terms of duping.
If you truly think that it's OK for people to dupe hundreds of billions of gold just because Blizzard didn't pick up every single bug then I have no words. It's obvious that duping is not OK. There is no question that duping items is not, and never has been, OK, no matter what the circumstances are.
Sticking up for people who broke one of the most basic rules is disgusting. The bottom line is that, if these people were so innocent and not interested in breaking the rules, they would have reported it immediately instead of continuing to abuse it to the point that we're now two days into this with no ETA. Instead of teaching people how to do it via streams, it should have been kept silent, shared with Blizzard so they could fix it immediately, and NOT done ad nauseum.
But it was and that's exactly why these people deserve every ounce of the bans they get. They took a bad situation (a bug) and, instead of doing the right thing, they did the wrong thing and turned something small into a major fiasco.
I don't know how old you are, but based on your attitude I'm going to guess you're at least younger than I am in some capacity, and frankly I'm always shocked at how fast generations beyond mine are to pass the blame onto everyone else instead of taking responsibility for their own choices.
We have rules in society, we have rules in the game. they are clearly spelled out.
The nature of the business, that is programming massive PC game software such as D3, will always witness new bugs. Realizing this, the respective companies can only do so much to test what is essentially millions of variables that could cause a bug. One decimal point out of place, one bad string, and something catastrophic can unfold.
To this end, it is incumbent upon the players (per the clearly stated ToS rule) that if they stumble upon a game breaking bug, not to exploit it. Rather, for the sake fo the games community, report the bug ASAP and DO NOT take advantage.
Why is this so fucking hard to understand? Is this a generational issue? Is it just how young people think these days, with such a fervent sense of entitlement that they think if they cannot be prevented from cheating, that it's then OK to cheat?
Really?
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Granted I imagine they won't get everything..but I have no mercy or pity for the people who willingly tried to destroy this game by raping the economy.
Pretty... damn... sure...
Oh I'm sure we will. I just still cannot understand why they didn't just do a rollback. My guess is..they probably cannot do a full server rollback with this game. I understand the RMAH transactions could pose a pesky problem, but who knows. I just hope for it taking this long that they nail them all. I did find it interesting they've turned peoples items into BOA, that's pretty funny but was somewhat expected. I suppose the gold that was used to buy the items would still go to the proper individual.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnWot7bX-_c
Lemme know if you want the download link
I always laugh at these :lol:. Now off to infract myself for being off-topic...
Buggy Patches happen all the time, and not only at Blizzard.
However, the big deal is... they won`t rollback.
I mean, they write "Fair Play" with big letters, ban all people who use cheats, hacks and exploits.
And on the flipside, they screw up the entire economy on US and do nothing to fix it.
Hypocrite at its finest
A cynic might file a lawsuit, because they are violating their own ToS
The seriousness of this issue cannot be better quantified other than to say ; Too many people, especially the one's partaking in this exploit....D3 money = real money. This was a RMAH exclusive issue. Heretofore ......your above statement missed it's mark by several miles.
"Dollars"? Wait a minute...didn't you just enlighten me as to how D3 money isn't real money? Hey wait a minute.....I'm confused. Or is it you that's confused?
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The moment real money = gold * coefficient, gold became real money.
I honestly think you're missing the point here. Pennies, nickles, dimes, dolla dolla bils y'all....shit makes no difference. It's real money....pennies make dollars and dollars makes sense...catch meh drift?
Sure wish my account was worth 5 billion. It is, maybe 300m?
Anywho....even the average, casual, part time guy can clock big $$$money$$$ in real dollars on the back of one drop. Not likely, not easy, but true nonetheless.
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That depends if hes merely trolling or not, either way they're still working on things so if hes truthful, hes not out of the woods yet. I imagine some will slip through the cracks but I suppose there is nothing they can do about that.
Straight up....I paid $60 bucks for the right to play D3, and that's the limit of my injection of real money into this realm. I don't dabble in real money for pixels, buying or selling. Never will.
And heck NO I wouldn't trade my gear for any amount of money that wasn't far FAR more than it's worth. All that piddly gear I have on my Monk, that many "elitists" would laugh at...represents near a year of hard work and well earned golds.
Back on topic; What you did was bad for the community, but it's hard to really blame you. I don't really think one way or another of you, personally, for what you did.
I wouldn't have done it, but that's just me. So long as you're willing to suffer the consequence, should they arise, then all is good.
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I always enjoy watching these videos, been wanting to try to play some of these, would you mind sending me the link?
Bingo!! Im in the same boat. I paid my 60 and and have just average Joe Blow gear and I wont trade it for anything. If I happen to sell some for money great but thats a bonus to me. Ill never exceed my original 60 bucks I put into the game.
I personally could give a rats ass about the whole gold dupe fiasco. It will wash out in the end and Ill still be able to get my characters to roll MP10 efficiently without spending trillions in gold because 99.9% of the community playing the game dont have trillions to spend. I actually find it funny that I can roll MP10 with Ruk and dominate it and we have what maybe 1 bil of gear between us and people have spent 10's of billions and do the same thing we do what 10 minutes faster? Us Joe Blow avarage players will still sell stuff at a resonable price and the elitist will hored the BiS stuff and eventually the market for it will dry up for them while us average Joes continue on our way playing a game.
People will get away with the dupe and it doesnt bother me a bit. Its something I wouldnt do but hey Id return a wallet with the money still in it but than again I take pride in myself and the things I do. Crazy concept isnt it.
@ipwnfaces that is a "modded" rom called Kaizo Mario World. You can find a download link here (http://lparchive.org/Kaizo-Mario-World/).
That is NOT a mod, that is an instrument of human torturer. Though I did laugh at the very end. Talk about pain and suffering.
Did this guy actually just post a gold selling site here? You cannot be serious.
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