A Paragon Level 100 Bonus

  • #42
    Quote from Laevus

    For those complaining about people wanting more all the time, I'm usually one of you, but for once I'm not agreeing.

    Paragon 100 is one hell of a long grind away. even with the most efficient build and extremely good gear, it's going to take many, many hours of killing monsters to achieve. If you're not a gamer that has 18 hours a day to spend playing, or doesn't have the luck/real money/desire to get high level gear to play higher MPs, or just fancies playing all 5 characters rather than constantly using one - the lofty heights of Paragon 100 are still a way off and something to look forward to. Not to mention something to show off and brag about once you've achieved it.

    If the bonus was awarded every 10/20/25 paragon levels, or just a flat out reward at 100, it might feel more impressive. At the moment, a bonus that stacks by 3% doesn't feel that much worth pushing up every time. If I had something more at 100, even though it's only cosmetic that I'm after, then I might feel the desire to face more levels and maybe finally get past 70 on my main at last.


    bingo +1
  • #43
    The big problem is that I don't think paragon levels were meant to be pursued, but just something to make you feel like you got a little stronger every time you play and a way to "fix" magic find (remember that they changed the cap to 300% at the same time). However, when you attach fairly large bonuses (especially MF) to maxing it out, of course people are going to feel like they have to max it in order to be successful, and they're not far wrong. Instead of giving you an extra sense of accomplishment even if you didn't find an item today, it's just another grind which feels mandatory. And since the time investment is so backloaded toward the highest levels, it's understandable that people want a little something extra for getting all the way there.

    This is something they really ought to have seen coming imho. This is pretty much off the table now I think, but the way to resolve it would have been to give much smaller bonuses, particularly to magic find. If all you got for 100 paragon was some cosmetic stuff and like +100 to your main damage stat and +50 to magic find and the other stats, it would feel way less mandatory. Of course, then they'd have had to deal with MF some other way, but they're stuck in that position now anyway.
    ...and if you disagree with me, you're probably <insert random ad hominem attack here>.
  • #44
    Just a thought, what if when you reach PL100 your flag could serve as where you spawn after death or if in multiplayer other players would teleport in the game to it instead of your physical location.... I hate it sometimes when you die in a dungeon near "level 2" and you have to run all the way back... instead just drop your flag where ever and u spawn there.
  • #45
    Quote from Laevus

    For those complaining about people wanting more all the time, I'm usually one of you, but for once I'm not agreeing.

    Paragon 100 is one hell of a long grind away. even with the most efficient build and extremely good gear, it's going to take many, many hours of killing monsters to achieve. If you're not a gamer that has 18 hours a day to spend playing, or doesn't have the luck/real money/desire to get high level gear to play higher MPs, or just fancies playing all 5 characters rather than constantly using one - the lofty heights of Paragon 100 are still a way off and something to look forward to. Not to mention something to show off and brag about once you've achieved it.

    If the bonus was awarded every 10/20/25 paragon levels, or just a flat out reward at 100, it might feel more impressive. At the moment, a bonus that stacks by 3% doesn't feel that much worth pushing up every time. If I had something more at 100, even though it's only cosmetic that I'm after, then I might feel the desire to face more levels and maybe finally get past 70 on my main at last.


    I'm playing 2 hours a day at max and I'm almost level 80. What 18 hours are you talking about ?
    You are surely doing something wrong.
  • #46
    Quote from FuriousBalls

    Quote from Laevus

    For those complaining about people wanting more all the time, I'm usually one of you, but for once I'm not agreeing.

    Paragon 100 is one hell of a long grind away. even with the most efficient build and extremely good gear, it's going to take many, many hours of killing monsters to achieve. If you're not a gamer that has 18 hours a day to spend playing, or doesn't have the luck/real money/desire to get high level gear to play higher MPs, or just fancies playing all 5 characters rather than constantly using one - the lofty heights of Paragon 100 are still a way off and something to look forward to. Not to mention something to show off and brag about once you've achieved it.

    If the bonus was awarded every 10/20/25 paragon levels, or just a flat out reward at 100, it might feel more impressive. At the moment, a bonus that stacks by 3% doesn't feel that much worth pushing up every time. If I had something more at 100, even though it's only cosmetic that I'm after, then I might feel the desire to face more levels and maybe finally get past 70 on my main at last.


    I'm playing 2 hours a day at max and I'm almost level 80. What 18 hours are you talking about ?
    You are surely doing something wrong.


    At level 75 you are only 50% there ;)
  • #47
    Personally for me I dont need anything extra. The satisfaction of reaching P100 is enough for me. Seeing that P100 pop up on the screen is more than enough reward not to mention the enjoyment of doing it. My personal goal is tp Paragon all characters to P100. Once that is done Ill prolly move on to something else. Ill have gotten plenty of entertainment out of this game if I can achieve that.
  • #48
    Quote from Nodnarb

    Quote from FuriousBalls

    Quote from Laevus

    For those complaining about people wanting more all the time, I'm usually one of you, but for once I'm not agreeing.

    Paragon 100 is one hell of a long grind away. even with the most efficient build and extremely good gear, it's going to take many, many hours of killing monsters to achieve. If you're not a gamer that has 18 hours a day to spend playing, or doesn't have the luck/real money/desire to get high level gear to play higher MPs, or just fancies playing all 5 characters rather than constantly using one - the lofty heights of Paragon 100 are still a way off and something to look forward to. Not to mention something to show off and brag about once you've achieved it.

    If the bonus was awarded every 10/20/25 paragon levels, or just a flat out reward at 100, it might feel more impressive. At the moment, a bonus that stacks by 3% doesn't feel that much worth pushing up every time. If I had something more at 100, even though it's only cosmetic that I'm after, then I might feel the desire to face more levels and maybe finally get past 70 on my main at last.


    I'm playing 2 hours a day at max and I'm almost level 80. What 18 hours are you talking about ?
    You are surely doing something wrong.


    At level 75 you are only 50% there ;)


    Awesome math. BRB, gonna play 18 hours a day.
  • #49
    Quote from FuriousBalls

    Quote from Nodnarb

    Quote from FuriousBalls

    Quote from Laevus

    For those complaining about people wanting more all the time, I'm usually one of you, but for once I'm not agreeing.

    Paragon 100 is one hell of a long grind away. even with the most efficient build and extremely good gear, it's going to take many, many hours of killing monsters to achieve. If you're not a gamer that has 18 hours a day to spend playing, or doesn't have the luck/real money/desire to get high level gear to play higher MPs, or just fancies playing all 5 characters rather than constantly using one - the lofty heights of Paragon 100 are still a way off and something to look forward to. Not to mention something to show off and brag about once you've achieved it.

    If the bonus was awarded every 10/20/25 paragon levels, or just a flat out reward at 100, it might feel more impressive. At the moment, a bonus that stacks by 3% doesn't feel that much worth pushing up every time. If I had something more at 100, even though it's only cosmetic that I'm after, then I might feel the desire to face more levels and maybe finally get past 70 on my main at last.


    I'm playing 2 hours a day at max and I'm almost level 80. What 18 hours are you talking about ?
    You are surely doing something wrong.


    At level 75 you are only 50% there ;)


    Awesome math. BRB, gonna play 18 hours a day.


    Not sure of your point. Not only was I allowing for sleep, but I was referencing a number I've seen many hardcore gamers allege to spend playing per day when grinding such things. Whether true or not, it's not my place to say.
    "It takes a man with real heart...to make beauty out of the stuff that makes us weep." - Clive Barker
  • #50
    Quote from Laevus

    Quote from FuriousBalls

    Quote from Nodnarb

    Quote from FuriousBalls

    Quote from Laevus

    For those complaining about people wanting more all the time, I'm usually one of you, but for once I'm not agreeing.

    Paragon 100 is one hell of a long grind away. even with the most efficient build and extremely good gear, it's going to take many, many hours of killing monsters to achieve. If you're not a gamer that has 18 hours a day to spend playing, or doesn't have the luck/real money/desire to get high level gear to play higher MPs, or just fancies playing all 5 characters rather than constantly using one - the lofty heights of Paragon 100 are still a way off and something to look forward to. Not to mention something to show off and brag about once you've achieved it.

    If the bonus was awarded every 10/20/25 paragon levels, or just a flat out reward at 100, it might feel more impressive. At the moment, a bonus that stacks by 3% doesn't feel that much worth pushing up every time. If I had something more at 100, even though it's only cosmetic that I'm after, then I might feel the desire to face more levels and maybe finally get past 70 on my main at last.


    I'm playing 2 hours a day at max and I'm almost level 80. What 18 hours are you talking about ?
    You are surely doing something wrong.


    At level 75 you are only 50% there ;)


    Awesome math. BRB, gonna play 18 hours a day.


    Not sure of your point. Not only was I allowing for sleep, but I was referencing a number I've seen many hardcore gamers allege to spend playing per day when grinding such things. Whether true or not, it's not my place to say.



    Sorry i misspoke, at PL75 you are only 45.35% of the way there.... and its not my math.... PL50 does not equal 50%
    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7392649690#1
  • #51
    I didn't intend there to be any focus on my own max Paragon level, hours played per day or how efficient I am. I don't see the relevance or the point for that in this thread.

    My point was that no matter how you do it, or whatever your playstyle, it's going to take a very long time and a lot of hours getting there. So what's wrong with having a little extra bragging rights than just a portrait?
    "It takes a man with real heart...to make beauty out of the stuff that makes us weep." - Clive Barker
  • #52
    Quote from FuriousBalls

    Quote from Nodnarb

    At level 75 you are only 50% there ;)


    Awesome math. BRB, gonna play 18 hours a day.


    If you're being sarcastic.... His math is actually pretty much correct. In total you need 10,454,400,000 experience from paragon 0 to 100, at paragon level 75 you have 4,741,200,000 experience. That's 45.3% of the way to paragon 100 in terms of total experience. Level 78 is pretty much half way at 49.8% experience. Here's a pie chart that displays this, who doesn't like pies :)



    Also if one were to play 3 hours a day, farming a decent rate of 50mil/hour it would take them roughly 70 days to hit paragon 100. Having a paragon 100 myself 18 hours a day is way overkill.


    Edit: sorry didn't see other posts that got posted while I was replying. Oh well more information I guess.
  • #53
    Don't need something else to further discourage playing alternate characters.
  • #54
    Paragon levels should have been account based, not character based. There is such a MASSIVE difference between my p83 guy and my other 5 various teens that it really sucks knowing that I'm "wasting" my time with other classes...leveling them up only for "fun" but not getting anything out of it from a progression standpoint. It takes the "Fun" experience and makes it a little less fun.
  • #55
    Quote from JKlimek

    Paragon levels should have been account based, not character based. There is such a MASSIVE difference between my p83 guy and my other 5 various teens that it really sucks knowing that I'm "wasting" my time with other classes...leveling them up only for "fun" but not getting anything out of it from a progression standpoint. It takes the "Fun" experience and makes it a little less fun.


    yes, i guess it is much like in d2 where you had to make a sorc or a hammerdin specifically for MF to efficiently farm.... not sure what the fix would be in this case.... If you were to make it account based it'd probably open up to a whole new set of problems.
  • #56
    Really doesn't take that long to get to 100 if you do it efficiently. I took advantage of the scorpion runs and got my barb to 100 in less than 150 hours and that isn't even that quick. I'm doing the same for my monk now and hopefully will get there before 1.08 hits and they nerf the scorpion xp.
  • #57
    Waking a sleeping beast here...but how do you guys feel about earning one life "restoration" for HC or maybe call it a ReIncarnation....something like that when you reach PL 100
  • #58
    To be honest, whilst I understand the fascination with additional bonuses for reaching max paragon, I find it very unlikely that any adjustments will be made to the system in this way or potentially at for now. I guess the biggest concern for the system is what to do with it when the expansion is introduced. Does the cap get raised along with the character level cap or does it get nullified completely if you level past 61?

    There are too many questions to be answered with regard to the expansion that any further complications to the system would make the issue harder than it already is to deal with evenly and fairly to all concerned
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