A Paragon Level 100 Bonus

  • #21
    Cheating is unacceptable any way you slice it. But it will always exist. You cannot let that be a determining factor for rewarding an honest player.
  • #22
    There should have been some sort of bonus hitting p100 in my opinion, its odd that there isn't one, ill think of some and update my post at a later time :)
  • #24

    Blizzard is already talking about reducing the gap between people at 0 vs. 100 paragon levels

    Of course they are, it's another version of WoW - 10% populus grinds the infamous para 100 - 90% complain it takes too long - blizzard nerf/buff aspects to make it easier .... Welcome to blizzards way of thinking.

    As for the MF part of para 100 - tbh, i found far more legendaries in the bracket para 10-30 then i have in my late 80 early 90 para lvls.
  • #25

    Sorry I'm against a reward like that for Plvl 100, it changes the dynamic of the game too much. Considering the overwhelming majority of players won't hit Plvl 100 for at least a year or two, it does nothing but damage the game by making players who haven't spent the hundreds upon hundreds of hours to get to max paragon feel like they aren't experiencing the whole game.


    The root of your problem lies in wanting to experience everything without putting the time and effort into it. Adding something more does not hurt the person playing in slow motion, it just builds up more for him to see eventually.
  • #26
    Since I have multiple characters and enjoy playing them all (and with different builds every now and then) without worrying too much about "farming paragon xp" and making my runs as efficient as possible, I'd say that a PLvl 100 bonus would definitely make me feel really bad by how I personally enjoy the game (knowing I'd probably never get such bonus).

    The bonus MF/GF is already a huge difference in terms of how effective your character is at higher Paragon lvls.

    But then again, I guess I wouldn't mind some quality of life upgrades or aesthetic ones (like 2 pickup radius, or an improved character skin, something along those lines).
  • #27
    I'd be happy for a cosmetic aura glow or unique dye (with particle effects dammit!). An item/button feature awarded by someone like Tyrael that you could turn on or off.

    Personally, I think the bonus to mf/gf is good enough as an upgrade, as well as the +stats as if you'd got another level. Offer something cosmetic for bragging rights rather than quality of life/upgrade improvement. The portraits are a good idea, but in my opinion, not enough to show off with :) Even something to do with the banner would be nice, a design, or better still, change the crossbar of the banner to gold/glow.
    "It takes a man with real heart...to make beauty out of the stuff that makes us weep." - Clive Barker
  • #28


    Sorry I'm against a reward like that for Plvl 100, it changes the dynamic of the game too much. Considering the overwhelming majority of players won't hit Plvl 100 for at least a year or two, it does nothing but damage the game by making players who haven't spent the hundreds upon hundreds of hours to get to max paragon feel like they aren't experiencing the whole game.


    The root of your problem lies in wanting to experience everything without putting the time and effort into it. Adding something more does not hurt the person playing in slow motion, it just builds up more for him to see eventually.


    And apparently the root of your problem lies in that you think you deserve something more than all the rewards you have already gotten for putting in that effort.

    You also assume that because player x is not p100 he has put in less time and effort than you and that might be true if you speedleveled with selffound gear from 1 to p100 but i doubt that.

    But back on topic sure you can have an achievement since that and paragoning is what you get at 60 in addition to normal statsprogression.
  • #29
    Why would anybody want more for getting to Paragon 100? Sorry but this all leads me back to the entitlement attitude of the gamers today. It's not enough that they give you a huge bonus to your MF and that you are now buffed over 300 more points to your main stat and 200 towards vitality but now we want MORE!!! SOrry, I just can't figure out why it always has to come to a discussion about wanting more when in the end, if you look at what they give you already is a huge advantage.
    "There is no cow level!"
  • #30

    Why would anybody want more for getting to Paragon 100? Sorry but this all leads me back to the entitlement attitude of the gamers today. It's not enough that they give you a huge bonus to your MF and that you are now buffed over 300 more points to your main stat and 200 towards vitality but now we want MORE!!! SOrry, I just can't figure out why it always has to come to a discussion about wanting more when in the end, if you look at what they give you already is a huge advantage.


    But I want cosmetic stuff. ;(
  • #31
    Personally I think there should have been some sort or achievement or feat of strength for P100 at the very least. I don't think it really needs to be something that give the player an additional advantage. Perhaps an achievement every 10 paragon levels unlocking different cosmetic features for your banner or on the character. This would allow players who have reached paragon 100 to further show off their accomplishment instead of just the paragon 100 player icon in the top left. Players who play many characters wouldn't feel punished that they don't have a paragon 100. The mf/gf bonuses are bad enough for those who don't like leveling only 1 character. The achievements every 10 levels would also provide more motivation for grinding paragon level on top of the mf/gf bonuses.

    On a side note while I'm not one who really cares about achievements that much, or grind them out I think the game is lacking in the achievements system. There are hardly any achievements for playing Hardcore and other areas where it seems there should be. I also remember them talking about having about having HC achievements improve the look of the base of your banner (pre-release), but there's nothing in the game that does such a thing. Not sure why they axed the idea of improving the base of your banner. Here's an image of what I'm taking about



    Anyway just my two cents, based on this thread some people may feel similar. The last bit might be kinda off-topic but it seems somewhat relevant to me.
  • #32
    I wouldn't like the addition of any bonus that'd make a difference gameplay-wise or giving even the tiniest advantage over people that are not P100. Paragon-Levels were added to give those hardcore-levelers something to do, not to alter the "goal" from deafeating Inferno Diablo to being max level. Everyone's enjoying different things and should be allowed to do so without having disadvantages.

    Cosmetic stuff, I'm all for it. Some Aura, some wings, some visual effect on your weapons, I don't care. If it's just aesthetics, I don't have a problem with it - and if I were to chose:

    Always thought it'd be kinda cool to have a nephalem in the angiris council, so .. having the player's character invited to it to function as connection between the human world and the high heavens or something. So what I'd actually like most would be a little "video" (those paper-based videos, not some huge cinematic) where the player is invited to join Tyrael and his brothers. Or just some Achievement! I love achievements :(
  • #33

    And apparently the root of your problem lies in that you think you deserve something more than all the rewards you have already gotten for putting in that effort.

    You also assume that because player x is not p100 he has put in less time and effort than you and that might be true if you speedleveled with selffound gear from 1 to p100 but i doubt that.

    But back on topic sure you can have an achievement since that and paragoning is what you get at 60 in addition to normal statsprogression.


    If I have reached paragon 100 and someone else hasn't, It most definitely means that I have put in more effort than him when it comes to this issue. I find it repulsive to spend a large portion of my time on a game where I function very sub optimally which is why I think its important to get to p100 asap to enjoy the game to its full potential afterwards, but if someone else values fluffy stuff like playing without the auction house then fine.

    I havn't contributed to the thread because I do not support the cause. Granting someone an additional passive or active skill slot or something equally outrageous is something that would turn the whole game over and could never in a million years happen. Having the passive magic find cap and one extra item worth of stats is more than enough to compensate for the mundane task of getting to p100.

    My complaint was directed towards the attitude of being under the impression that introducing more stuff somehow affects the casual when in fact he remains as unaffected as ever.
  • #34

    Why would anybody want more for getting to Paragon 100? Sorry but this all leads me back to the entitlement attitude of the gamers today. It's not enough that they give you a huge bonus to your MF and that you are now buffed over 300 more points to your main stat and 200 towards vitality but now we want MORE!!! SOrry, I just can't figure out why it always has to come to a discussion about wanting more when in the end, if you look at what they give you already is a huge advantage.

    We want dem bannerz customization optionz, dud!!!! :D

    Any aesthetic bonus would probably suffice. But then again if they gave something like that, you'd obviously have people complaining that "yo actiblizz we don't want cosmetics, we're hardcore gamerz and want 500+ to all stats or free legendaries".
  • #35

    I also remember them talking about having about having HC achievements improve the look of the base of your banner (pre-release), but there's nothing in the game that does such a thing. Not sure why they axed the idea of improving the base of your banner. ...


    What Blizzard said at the time was that you spend most of your time zoomed out while playing, and the skulls at the base and banner embellishments were hard to make out and didn't look good from that distance.
    ...and if you disagree with me, you're probably <insert random ad hominem attack here>.
  • #36

    What Blizzard said at the time was that you spend most of your time zoomed out while playing, and the skulls at the base and banner embellishments were hard to make out and didn't look good from that distance.


    Ah okay, thanks for the clarification. I still think it was a cool feature, too bad they couldn't make it work :(
  • #37

    What Blizzard said at the time was that you spend most of your time zoomed out while playing, and the skulls at the base and banner embellishments were hard to make out and didn't look good from that distance.


    To be honest they could just drop the base of the banner when you're out in the fields. The huge cosmetic stuff can stay on the login screen/around the waypoint. Do it Blizz.
  • #38

    Just thought I'd start a topic to see what you guys think would be a cool bonus for reaching PL 100. (other than what is given already of course)

    I personally would like to see an extra active and passive skill unlocked... I think this could be game changing.

    Being a WW barb I think being able to Leap or use Rend would make for some fun...heck maybe even having call of the ancients along with my current build could be sweet!!!


    I thought being Paragon 100 already carried bonuses?

    This thread is just more proof that the "entitled" people will constantly want "MORE".
  • #39

    Ah okay, thanks for the clarification. I still think it was a cool feature, too bad they couldn't make it work :(


    To be honest they could just drop the base of the banner when you're out in the fields. The huge cosmetic stuff can stay on the login screen/around the waypoint. Do it Blizz.


    I tend to agree. Personally, I would do something like this (only on the login screen and in town, not in the fields):
    • Banner Size: Increases based on Paragon Level, possibly cumulative across characters up to some maximum
    • Skulls at the base: Increases based on PvP achievements
    • Major embellishments like a flag on top, two smaller banners at the sides, etc.: Hardcore achievements
    • Patterns / colors / shapes / etc: Softcore achievements
    ...and if you disagree with me, you're probably <insert random ad hominem attack here>.
  • #40


    Just thought I'd start a topic to see what you guys think would be a cool bonus for reaching PL 100. (other than what is given already of course)

    I personally would like to see an extra active and passive skill unlocked... I think this could be game changing.

    Being a WW barb I think being able to Leap or use Rend would make for some fun...heck maybe even having call of the ancients along with my current build could be sweet!!!


    I thought being Paragon 100 already carried bonuses?

    This thread is just more proof that the "entitled" people will constantly want "MORE".


    I really hate it when people throw "entitled" around.... I mean what more do I have to do... over 2000hrs invested in this game, im sorry if it has gotten a little boring.... But who cares what i think , im apparently not "entitled" to an opinion right ? BHahAahhh
  • #41
    For those complaining about people wanting more all the time, I'm usually one of you, but for once I'm not agreeing.

    Paragon 100 is one hell of a long grind away. even with the most efficient build and extremely good gear, it's going to take many, many hours of killing monsters to achieve. If you're not a gamer that has 18 hours a day to spend playing, or doesn't have the luck/real money/desire to get high level gear to play higher MPs, or just fancies playing all 5 characters rather than constantly using one - the lofty heights of Paragon 100 are still a way off and something to look forward to. Not to mention something to show off and brag about once you've achieved it.

    If the bonus was awarded every 10/20/25 paragon levels, or just a flat out reward at 100, it might feel more impressive. At the moment, a bonus that stacks by 3% doesn't feel that much worth pushing up every time. If I had something more at 100, even though it's only cosmetic that I'm after, then I might feel the desire to face more levels and maybe finally get past 70 on my main at last.
    "It takes a man with real heart...to make beauty out of the stuff that makes us weep." - Clive Barker
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