Blizzard. Add...something....please.

  • #1
    This is an honest request after months of playing Diablo 3.

    I have been playing/ loving the Diablo series since by dad bought a Diablo I demo CD rom at a grocery store a million years ago.

    When I saw the Diablo 3 trailer, I bought a brand new computer to support it. Two computers later, Diablo 3 was released, and I have been playing it on and off since with very mixed feelings.

    One thing that I feel has not been brought up very often is the idea of reward for quests completed. I know comparing Diablo 3 to Diablo 2 is a common occurance, and often to dubious conclusions, but regardless of that; making quests worth doing is something very much worth looking into.

    Even a long quest that resulted in a one time reward of (for example)":
    -A 1% increase to attack speed?
    -A 1% increase to crit. chance?
    -A 5% inrease to crit. dmg?
    -A +10 point increase to a attribute of the players choosing?
    -A 1-10% chance of a unique/ set item being rewarded?
    -A random gem drop (like hellforge in D2)?

    SOMETHING to make quests worth doing? SOMETHING to make the game feel rewarding.

    Which brings me to another point of interest;

    Ledgendaries. Another controversial, but integral subject.

    I (and I think most people) feel that finding a legendary item should be a rewarding prospect. However, the current system with all it's random rolls and luck result in (in my experience) something along the lines of a 1 in 100 chance of a legendary being even remotely useful/ valueable. 1 in 100 being a generous ratio.

    perhaps the rolls could be tightened up a bit to SLIGHTLY work in the players favor of a Ledgendary item to be worth the effort of hunting it? A slightly higher chance toward worthwhile attributes as opposed to useless ones? The same idea should go for crafting (If an alternative to the GAH/RMAH is sought after, which I think should be).

    This post/ spelling/ grammer is all over the place due to a few Friday night drinks, but I assure you (this being my first post ever...) the ideas and advice are sincere and come from someone who has loved this franchise more than any other for my entire gaming career. Just want to see it bloom into it's full potential. Thanks, if you manged to read this far!
  • #3
    (Defining worthless attributes on a legendary meaning; Strength being rolled on a Wizard Only helmet/ off hand. It is absolutely inraging to see such things roll on these extremely rare items and instantly makes them almost completely useless. Surely this can be prevented/ waaay less likely? I really don't see the purpose of it continueing to exist.)
  • #4
    Thanks for responding, but that is exactly the unproductive responce I would like to avoid in this thread. Serious, what does that accomplish?

    The Game lacks a bit of soul and substance, but I think it is slowly improving with each patch.

    What would you REALLY like to see added into the game? Dead babies on spikes and hung off gallows (Diablo 1 style) isn't going to make the core machanics of this game any more entertaining and enduring....is it?
  • #5
    Quote from torsodeath

    Thanks for responding, but that is exactly the unproductive responce I would like to avoid in this thread. Serious, what does that accomplish?

    The Game lacks a bit of soul and substance, but I think it is slowly improving with each patch.

    What would you REALLY like to see added into the game? Dead babies on spikes and hung off gallows (Diablo 1 style) isn't going to make the core machanics of this game any more entertaining and enduring....is it?

    Yeah I do want that. That's why I played Diablo. It's a dark game with twisted ideas. It's why people are turning towards PoE instead of Diablo 3. They forgot who their target fan base were. Bring back the fucked up endings where your character fucks up humanity of the guy you thought was the angel is the demon. Bring back the lakes of blood. Bring back Hell. Bring back your silent character. Bring back everything and throw all of the WoW influence out.
    Respectful is a strong word...
  • #6
    Quote from torsodeath

    Thanks for responding, but that is exactly the unproductive responce I would like to avoid in this thread. Serious, what does that accomplish?

    The Game lacks a bit of soul and substance, but I think it is slowly improving with each patch.

    What would you REALLY like to see added into the game? Dead babies on spikes and hung off gallows (Diablo 1 style) isn't going to make the core machanics of this game any more entertaining and enduring....is it?

    With all due respect, your OP was a bit ....scattered and incoherent.

    Per you idea about quest rewards;

    Are you suggesting permanent bonuses or just temp buffs?

    Either way, this is not going to make doing quests more appealing. The appeal is clearly supposed to be toward combat, a vastly improved aspect from Diablo's previous iteration, Diablo 2.

    Itemization is paramount and is still in it's infancy. Personally, I think the Random Magical Property bit is genius, but it has some serious flaws. One of the most glaring and counter-intuitive issues with RMP's is having class specific items roll other classes main stats.

    Example>>


    Such a waste when this occurs. The fact that the Legendary COULD roll a crappy RMP, or that the items inherent rolls COULD be crappy.....that's not the point. I'm fine with that. But for a class specific item to roll a different classes main, it feels wrong. It feels broken.

    To this end, there might as well be RMP's like +6 to skateboard tricks or 20% damage reduction from smurfs. Because that'll do ya about as much good as strength on a crossbow.
    BurningRope#1322
  • #7
    apparently, since jay wilson is being moved instead of fired, that may mean the artists for wow worked on diablo 3 which is why they didn't know what they were doing
  • #8
    Holy crap, could this "D3 needs to be darker" thing please stop? It's like beating a dead horse. Seriously, go back and play D2 again, in particular act 2, and tell me how long you survived before putting on sunglasses. Anyways, if you think D3 is not dark enough go to http://darkd3.com/ - thanks. BACK TO TOPIC AND THINGS THAT REALLY MATTER.

    Like ruksak said, the OP was extremely scattered, difficult to see the point you're making. However, there are some interesting ideas in there. I've been thinking about quests, too, because Blizzard wants us to play through the whole game and not do stupid boss runs like in D2 (thank god, no more Baal runs). But then the quests are completely useless - don't give ANY XP, reward, and only 800 gold (what a joke). I don't think stats would be a good idea, 1% crit chance per finished quest would mean some crazy people would hit 100% crit chance in no time (I'm still convinced capping crit at 40% or 50% would be a good idea anyways). If quests were to give a reasonable amount of XP and gold, people would probably run them.

    Another thing that came to my mind recently were new crafting recipes that need quest rewards. For example, you could craft level 63 weapons with socket and one other stat fixed but you would have to complete a quest to get the material for this; different quests would give you different materials and thus provide you with different fixed stats (main stat, life steal, crit damage, increased weapon damage for high DPS, and so on).

    About the legendaries, it's a difficult thing to fix. Some players don't see a single legendary until they hit paragon 20 (I think I found my first at 50-100 hours of gameplay). But if you're a well-geared player with max MF on high MP, you see legendaries all the time. Now, if there were fewer "bad legendary rolls", those good players would be flooded with godly items. As a result, we would get to where TL2 stands now: too many good items at higher levels, almost no incentive to play 500+ hours. If you decrease the legendary drop rate, many casual players will never ever see a single legendary drop. I personally think the mistake was to create the huge gap in MF rate; new players start with 0%, players who have godly equip and are insanely fast killing machines have 625% MF and a kill speed that is 10x higher (or more).
  • #9
    Quote from Bagstone

    Holy crap, could this "D3 needs to be darker" thing please stop? It's like beating a dead horse. Seriously, go back and play D2 again, in particular act 2, and tell me how long you survived before putting on sunglasses. Anyways, if you think D3 is not dark enough go to http://darkd3.com/ - thanks. BACK TO TOPIC AND THINGS THAT REALLY MATTER.


    The lighting isn't the problem it's the non-scary non-gory features. Honestly I defend this game a lot but I agree I was hoping to walk by a burning building in the weeping hollow and hear the screams of a child and woman trapped inside and If i so choose I could go save them or watch them perish. OR rather walk through a dungeon and instead of seeing some dead corpse I'd like to see it cut in half with the torso on a pike to the left and the legs on a pike to the right and the entrails strung across like a laundry line Maybe a few dead babies or kids with pools of blood around or people being burned running around. I feel like the world is uninhabited... It honestly could have a little more flair to it.

    Back to the point Itemization does currently suck as it's a game of who has the most crit chance and crit damage so really its not worth playing till they can fix some fundamental balance things.
    Not even Death will save you from Diablo Bunny's Cuteness!


  • #10
    Quote from Enty

    The lighting isn't the problem it's the non-scary non-gory features. Honestly I defend this game a lot but I agree I was hoping to walk by a burning building in the weeping hollow and hear the screams of a child and woman trapped inside and If i so choose I could go save them or watch them perish. OR rather walk through a dungeon and instead of seeing some dead corpse I'd like to see it cut in half with the torso on a pike to the left and the legs on a pike to the right and the entrails strung across like a laundry line Maybe a few dead babies or kids with pools of blood around or people being burned running around. I feel like the world is uninhabited... It honestly could have a little more flair to it.

    What you describe is something that has absolutely nothing to do with the graphical representation of the game, but the overall atmosphere. There are so many gory movies out there that make you laugh, but horror movies where you don't see a single drop of blood and you're still scared to death. I agree that the atmosphere in D3 lacks this dark theme, but to be honest, it didn't get lost between D2 and D3, but between D1 and D2. The camp and act 1 was ok-ish, but as soon as you enter Lut Gholein there was nothing scary, dark, frightening anymore.

    TL;DR: my point still stands, people should stop talking about D3 not being dark enough, and if we're talking about the change in atmosphere that this game conveys, please don't compare it with D2 but D1, thanks.

    About the itemization issues with crit chance/damage: yep, agree, but it'd be really nice if people would start notice that Blizzard is aware of that and trying to change that, there were even blue posts about 1.07 and tackling that issue.
  • #11
    Haha. OP here.

    By "A couple drinks", I meant "I am loaded as hell". Appologies for that. I don't think I've ever drunk posted before in my life. Yikes.

    Thanks for responding anyway, fellows.

    Those quest rewards were meant to be a one-time permenant increase (like the +30 to life quest in D2). Just little, but worthwhile, rewards that make you want to go back and do quests you may have missed. Like some of you pointed out; as it stands now there is 100% no reason to do a quest EVER. Which surely doesn't add to the overall D3 experience.

    I don't really (and have never really...) had an opinion on the darkness/ whatever in D3. In my opinion D1 was the only entry in the series that achieved perfect hell-like atmosphere. But I have never played WoW, so I guess those who have might be more intune with similarities...

    Hierophant, your break down of class-specific items was spot on. Couldnt agree more.
  • #12
    Need identify all and no confirmation when salvaging..
  • #13
    Quote from Bagstone

    TL;DR: my point still stands, people should stop talking about D3 not being dark enough

  • #14
    Quote from Tohilz

    Need identify all and no confirmation when salvaging..

    add a /nopickup to that list please. Lots of screws to turn and I'm not sure why these subtleties haven't been addressed yet? Such simple changes would make game-play so much more enjoyable.
    BurningRope#1322
  • #15
    I think Enchanting could give us something interesting. Give every drop a built in inherent enchanting potential say 1-3 slots or whatever. So you would be searching for that not only perfect drop, but one with 3 extra enchants. On the flip side, you could find a fairly bummer pair of pants with 190 VIT, and ALL res, but it's got nothing else, but look at that, it's got 2 enchant slots, so you could throw some primary in there or something.

    However, enchants would be based on a limited use item, like a drop. You could find all kinds of stats and effects to throw in there, but once the enchant is used, it's burned up, and you'd need to find more of them. Or if you find a ton of crappy enchant items, you could salvage them and try to roll something better.

    One problem that would arise is that people would quickly reach a point where their items have a "best" enchant, to avoid this, you could let similar enchants stack when applied to your gear but only in increases of like +1. This would give farming a bit more of a satisfying feeling when you're not hitting a literal wall so often.

    You could also get into super rare enchants like: move speed (on any piece of gear!), attack speed, crit damage, elemental damage, etc.

    Enchanting your items would also make them BoA. lulz (Okay, maybe not.)

    Wacky ideas I think about sometimes. Um, yeah.

    I just think this game needs more stuff to collect, so you're not at the mercy of hoping for that one GG drop that comes every few months.
  • #17
    I'll just comment on the part about legendaries, I've been thinking about this exact thing lately. Legendaries should be legendary, not 0.1% chance to be a good one/0.5% chance to be a decent one when at last it does drop. A Shako should be a Shako, not a 99% chance to be disappointed. I guess the only way to address this is to significantly lower the drop chance of legendaries, well so be it then.

    Why should everyone be running around wearing 90% legendaries anyway? They should be rare. If this is an unsolvable situation now because they've dug themselves in too deep, how about a new tier of items .. you guessed it, epics. Only this time around they'll need to be implemented in such a way that they can actually be called epics and not feel like a pair of socks. I like socks btw, but most of the time I really don't get that epic feeling from wearing them.
    - I know that my Redeemer liveth, and as the last man He shall stand forth upon the earth -
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  • #19
    PoE doesn't have Hell, crazy demons, insane cutscenes, or anything from Diablo 3 but it kicks its ass because it respected why Diablo fans played Diablo. They wanted a dark fucked up game. People wanted to feel depressed when they played the game. They didn't want a feeling a hope. The original Diablo fans thought WoW was fucking gay as fuck. Warcraft fans and Diablo fans don't get along by definition, and Blizzard didn't get this.

    I don't remember getting depressed from D1 or D2. All I remember is the item hunt, every drop felt like it had a chance to be good.
    Neither do I recognise the hate the 3 game branches fans supposedly has for each other and the other games. Personally I love D1,D2,D3 and still I have loved and played lots of WoW and some Warcraft too.


    Having said that a few small quality of life improvements would lift the game experience a lot. As mentioned:

    * Identify all a 10-20s cast for 1-10k gold
    * Salvaging without confirmation, or why not let the salvaging interface be a grid about your bag size. You add items you wish to salvage and push a button to salvage them all with only one confirmation.
    * Craft all or craft x nbr of an item. I can live with craft time being 3s, but having to push a button every 3s is just dumb if you have to do it hundreds of times. At the moment this mostly applies to gems.


    Personally I would love the horadric cube to make a comeback or rather a few functions that it provided. The thing I miss most that isn't covered by BS or JW is the ability to "reroll" items for instance 3 rings + a gems = a new random ring. A "recepie" like this is hard to do the way BS is set up right now, you pretty much need a grid to add items to so you can control which 3 items you want to add to the reroll. What I don't miss about the cube is the hidden recepies so you had to look them up on the internet.
    The reroll concept could probably be modified so it could be done on all items and qualities. For instance rerolling 3 rare gloves would take the 3 gloves of similiar ilvl + a perfect square gem, but rerolling 3 immortal kings gloves would take the gloves + a flawless star gem. That way rerolling would be both an item and gem sink.
  • #20
    Quote from zimira

    PoE doesn't have Hell, crazy demons, insane cutscenes, or anything from Diablo 3 but it kicks its ass because it respected why Diablo fans played Diablo. They wanted a dark fucked up game. People wanted to feel depressed when they played the game. They didn't want a feeling a hope. The original Diablo fans thought WoW was fucking gay as fuck. Warcraft fans and Diablo fans don't get along by definition, and Blizzard didn't get this.

    I don't remember getting depressed from D1 or D2. All I remember is the item hunt, every drop felt like it had a chance to be good.
    Neither do I recognise the hate the 3 game branches fans supposedly has for each other and the other games. Personally I love D1,D2,D3 and still I have loved and played lots of WoW and some Warcraft too.

    I liked D3 too for a while but then it sucked when I realized it wasn't Diablo.
    Respectful is a strong word...
  • #21
    Quote from Irrational
    The reason everyone played Diablo [...]

    It's great that you know EVERYONE'S motivation for playing the game. :facepalm:
  • #22
    Quote from Bagstone

    Quote from Irrational
    The reason everyone played Diablo [...]

    It's great that you know EVERYONE'S motivation for playing the game. :facepalm:

    If you don't think like me then you clearly aren't a person. Therefor I know everyone's motivation for playing the game. ;)
    Respectful is a strong word...
  • #23
    Just give me:
    -no salvage message
    -fast IDing
    -viable crafting system (1.0.7 hell yeah!)
    -removing random resist, and only have the all resist stat, and just call it "resistance"
    -better weapon damage ranges. ilvl 63 weapons can still roll only 200 damage... sigh
    -make yellow gems viable for weapons (aoe pulse instead of thorns damage for example)
    -remove follower items and either give them a passive stat increase or make it like an heirloom in wow (item levels up with the character, automatically increasing its stats), where you can buy a lvl 1 from a vendor for a nice price (goldsink perhaps) where you can choose a combination of stats
    - More character slots
    - No AH mode, where you play without the AH but with increased magic find. At the moment, AH is 90% of the game, its the best way to make gold and its the best place to find gear. all you do in the actual game is testing your newly "found" gear.

    Legendaries are fine at the moment in my opinion. they have a decent drop rate, where you can easily get 3 a day if you farm for a bit, and most already have 3-4 fixed affixes, so if they should have even tighter ranges and fewer useless affixes, they should lower the droprate dramatically or they wont be worth shit because then everyone will have a stash full of (near) perfect Echoing Furys

    Also, I do somewhat agree with the fact that diablo should be more grim. At no point during the entire game did i think "wow, this shit just looks diabolic as fuck", its just demon walking around at random places. The acts on its own have so much potential, i mean:

    Act 1: Cathedral, just have some eerie koyoaniskatsi like church organ music playing, confused worshippers wandering around, torches on the wall suddenly losing its flame, making it dark.
    Halls of agony: all the tools are there, too bad they arent being used. There is zero agony going on in these halls, shame.

    Act 2: Desolated desert at night. thunder storms, sandstorms. savage wolf packs slightly mutated from the demonic flesh theyve been eating in order to survive

    Act 3: instead of seeing soldier getting carried away by those flying demons, watch them struggle as armies of demons actually invade the keeps and surround the last few men standing. There are like a kajillion demons fighting in the background, some of them humongous, yet you only fight a handful of em. Actively join the last few soldiers in a final push against the legions of hell

    Act 4: Heaven: its corrupted, but its still way too shiny. it just didnt show the impact of diablo's presence enough in my opinion
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