What relevance does that have to this thread at all? We're just discussing the video, I don't see any whining at all.
Well, I do see whining, right in the post above yours.
Thats not whining thats wishful thinking. Even diablo 2 who many think as the game which defined the genre was not perfect in a year,far from it.I just hope that the guy after wilson makes this gr8 game even gr8er.
I never had any problem with this game.People complain about drm policy.I dont cos its much better than getting hacked.(I've had my first bnet account hacked but thankfully it contained nothing LOL)
People complain that this game would've been 10x better without RMAH.I think with the 3rd party sites out there,it would have been 10x worse.
I love this game and have no complaint about it.(Except lag but its my internet's fault i guess)
Whenever someone says d3 is crappy and d2 is great they speak about their memories about d2 like how farming was great,how itemisation was great,etc etc. Well maybe u guys forgot but i played d2 for the first time in 2007 so i remember that it was not superior compared to d3.(And also d2 became the best game i had ever played until i met d3).
Although jay wilson said and did many things wrong, One thing he said was dead on accurate,"People remember things about diablo 2 which they did not actually experience".
So i was not whining but just hoping that d3 would become a great game.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Grinding Gear Games (Company that produced POE): "These are great Ideas, we will use them for sure as they are clearly what the player base is looking for."
Blizzard: "While we agree that this game needs re-working and that these ideas could help the future of this game, we have no plans to listen to our fan-base at this time."
I hate how they simplified the game to make it more appealing to casuals...gg marketing strategy
Yeah i still remember the day they changed the Skills UI to the current one and dumbed it down.Everyone was like"WTF?!? We hate this!!!". But they kept it
And also they removed the runestones and brought in the skill runes,again for casual players.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Grinding Gear Games (Company that produced POE): "These are great Ideas, we will use them for sure as they are clearly what the player base is looking for."
Blizzard: "While we agree that this game needs re-working and that these ideas could help the future of this game, we have no plans to listen to our fan-base at this time."
I remember when some years ago people used to be more happy of something that was provided to them and they respected others people work in that matter. I miss that. I wish no more crybaby and whining threads like this on any forum...just enjoy the game
Lol.. i liked the game more in 2008. How the hell did they fail so badly 4 years later... it is completely insane. It's like they were thinking how to ruin the game and not how to improve it.
None of this was actually playable; first closed (friends & family) beta started just 16 months ago. And you don't sound like one of their friends & family members. Besides, since the beta was so limited in terms of content, none of the endgame (and that's what this game and its main criticism is about) has ever been tested besides by internal development teams. Judging by screenshots that something was better is purely romanticizing. They wouldn't change something if they don't have good reasons for it; sometimes it's not as obvious as it seems.
Funny that most of you guys bitched it when the first gameplay videos came out. Why is it looks happy? Why is it colorful? WoW graphics etc. and now slower gameplay is better?
i think the thing people look over the most is diablo's history. look at D2, the original product was good, but no where near what it ended up being.
D2 wasnt very good at release, and when most of the original designers left they brought in a new guy who gave us a awesome expansion and synergies to make alot of the abilities better.
now that wilson is gone. im hoping history repeats its self and we get a guy who will makes things better, mainly 4v4 battlegrounds(maybe dota like?) and one awesome expansion!
Some of of the things that did not make it to the launch:
Ladders to climb up and down on.
Boss Hero-Death animations.
These areas "Forgotten Tomb" does not exist and "Leorics Highland" changed much.
Cinematic cut-scenes in a middle of a dungeon.
UI system: Mana as a resource for all classes.
Hovering healthbar on each and every enemy only visable while hover mouse on them
The Talisman (icon between the weapon slots)
Inventory style changed into the "tetris" style.
"Super block" by skeletons with shield did not make all the way to the release and was weakend.
Number 5 "Scroll of townportal / identify" was scraped.
Random people you click on that will follow you (like those in this video, not chicken warriors Act 3 included).
Minor Energy Rune and Elixir of Vitalty do not appear in Diablo 3 at all (see around 04:22).
Inaccessable gaps wouldn't work at all since not all classes could pass them. Animation was pre-fixed. Just like the death-animation on the siege breaker.
Girls dancing before they explode just to be summoned into a mini-boss, which just became normal monster later on.
And many other things!
Elemental damage actually mattered, frost slowed and had a chance to freeze on hit. Certain enemies had resistances to certain elements, requiring you to use your brain.
Funny that most of you guys bitched it when the first gameplay videos came out. Why is it looks happy? Why is it colorful? WoW graphics etc. and now slower gameplay is better?
I never made any of those complaints. You have absolutely no way to know if "most of us" said anything about these videos.....unless you somehow have been tracking our statements for 4+ years.......
So stop making wild claims you have no way of actually knowing.
i think the thing people look over the most is diablo's history. look at D2, the original product was good, but no where near what it ended up being.
D2 wasnt very good at release, and when most of the original designers left they brought in a new guy who gave us a awesome expansion and synergies to make alot of the abilities better.
now that wilson is gone. im hoping history repeats its self and we get a guy who will makes things better, mainly 4v4 battlegrounds(maybe dota like?) and one awesome expansion!
The initial D2 was crap compared to as D2 ended, but again, have you heard anyone saying that D2 at release was more poor than how D1 ended?
No, they didn't feel the urge to take all the steps back and make an inferioir product planning to catch up the predecessor at the future.
Diablo 3 just did it. Jay decided to scratch a lot of things and release something that was HIS work alone, so he could say he never learned anything from the team of that loser Brevik, and it was all his doing. Well, any level-head person can say that's not smart. Smart developers build AROUND the pillars of one existing franchise, they shouldn't demolish those pillars to substitute for their own.
I can't recall ONE example in which this stupid idea of redoing a game franchise with an installment that ignore the previous ones features worked well. Diablo 3 shuld have picked up from where Diablo 2 ended, not somewhere in between the crappy state of D2 and its end.
My favorite part is at 5:20 when Jay says that loot is the most important of the game. Pure comedic gold...
What happened to being able to climb ladders and using abilities to travel otherwise inaccessible gaps? Did Activision force Blizzard to cut all that content so the game could get released early, or was it just pushed aside for the expansion.
Loot still is the most important aspect of the game.
Clinbing ladders ? It's just like walking stairs. Who cares. If you realy think that leaping over small gaps is the "content" that would make D3 a better game, you need your head checked.
The initial D2 was crap compared to as D2 ended, but again, have you heard anyone saying that D2 at release was more poor than how D1 ended?
You clearly haven't played D1 and/or don't remember the game magazines' reviews for D2 at its release. I even remember that some magazines said "in a few months no one will talk about D2 anymore" and so on. You couldn't be any more wrong.
I can't recall ONE example in which this stupid idea of redoing a game franchise with an installment that ignore the previous ones features worked well. Diablo 3 shuld have picked up from where Diablo 2 ended, not somewhere in between the crappy state of D2 and its end.
If you can't recall a number of examples you either haven't played too many computer games or you're really bad at reflecting changes when looking back at the history of game development. Besides, some of the greatest games became great by ignoring previous concepts and revolutionizing or even creating a genre just by trying something new.
Your post shows that you clearly have absolutely not the slightest idea of Blizzard's development policy at all.
I watched that video way too many times in four years. I expected that video when I logged onto D3 for the first time. That video was more or less what D3 was for me...for the first 10 levels. Then everything went downhill quite fast.
I'm still waiting for D3. Mayhaps now, with JW gone, the expansion(s) will have a chance in the hells of being not terrible.
Also, going off what the guy above me said (which I love), Diablo went from
"Not even death can save you from me!" The one terrifying and awesome line Diablo has, to
"So, you approach the oculus with the intent to destroy it...you will NOT succeed!"
To be fair, things like quotes, atmosphere, and memorable moments can't be created instantly; they grow over time as part of nostalgia.
I remember that "stay a while and listen" was kind of annoying in the beginning; only over the years (and especially after what happened in D3) it became the great quote it is now. The one quote I'll never forget is the deep-roaring "aah... fresh meat" from the butcher - I was a lil' kid and no match for that killing machine approaching me a few minutes after I entered the Diablo universe for the first time, and even though he's considered to be a joke by now, I'll never forget the gratification of the first time beating him.
Even though D2's quotes have something to it, and D3's quotes don't seem to be as awesome, I wouldn't be too harsh on them. We'll see over time what stays in our memory. I'd say some of the follower's quotes got stuck in my head - "look at that worthy foe", "let's kill it!" and so on. Of course, nothing epic, but the one line I remember from other games doesn't have to be epic either (Baldur's Gate's Xan's depressive quotes). It's sooo difficult to come up with memorable quotes. In fact, one of the most memorable quotes of all times in computer games was created by accident (i.e., bad translation).
Diablo 3 was simply dumbed down since the sneak-peek videos that were published way before release.
In my opinion, Blizzard simply went for easy cash...
They have decided that the main audience that will play Diablo 3 is not the massive amount of Diablo 2 veterans that are now 20+ years old, but the multitudes of spoiled kids that grew up on brainless and easy games.
We can still see the results of that approach.
But I can bear the gameplay of Diablo 3 at it is, because it is improving steadily.
What I cannot bear is the fact that the Lore Department was simply butchered...
1) Cain killed by a butterfly woman that behaves like a Scooby-Doo villain, without a cut-scene. Cain. Died. No. Cutscene.
2) Hazy reasons at best for killing the best character in game, ie Zoltun Kulle
3) Master Tactician Azmodan that tells us exactly what his next move will be via the flaming head of doom
4) Diablo behaving like a spoiled child and constantly talking shit through Act4...
Just compare it.
Diablo II - one phrase. Not even death can save you from me!
Diablo III -That is not THE ONLY HELLrift + many many others.
Is it me or do the graphics look better in the OPs video ?? I love the look of the outside environment... It just looks better ?
Probably a combination of viewing angle, zoom, shader and particle fx, as well as polygon count + texture detail. Over time I'm sure they lowered the graphics in order to run on low end PCs.
Thats not whining thats wishful thinking. Even diablo 2 who many think as the game which defined the genre was not perfect in a year,far from it.I just hope that the guy after wilson makes this gr8 game even gr8er.
I never had any problem with this game.People complain about drm policy.I dont cos its much better than getting hacked.(I've had my first bnet account hacked but thankfully it contained nothing LOL)
People complain that this game would've been 10x better without RMAH.I think with the 3rd party sites out there,it would have been 10x worse.
I love this game and have no complaint about it.(Except lag but its my internet's fault i guess)
Whenever someone says d3 is crappy and d2 is great they speak about their memories about d2 like how farming was great,how itemisation was great,etc etc. Well maybe u guys forgot but i played d2 for the first time in 2007 so i remember that it was not superior compared to d3.(And also d2 became the best game i had ever played until i met d3).
Although jay wilson said and did many things wrong, One thing he said was dead on accurate,"People remember things about diablo 2 which they did not actually experience".
So i was not whining but just hoping that d3 would become a great game.
Blizzard: "While we agree that this game needs re-working and that these ideas could help the future of this game, we have no plans to listen to our fan-base at this time."
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Yeah i still remember the day they changed the Skills UI to the current one and dumbed it down.Everyone was like"WTF?!? We hate this!!!". But they kept it
And also they removed the runestones and brought in the skill runes,again for casual players.
Blizzard: "While we agree that this game needs re-working and that these ideas could help the future of this game, we have no plans to listen to our fan-base at this time."
http://s1332.photobucket.com/user/Tester_3211/media/Diablo3devs_zpscc5fbac9.jpg.html?state=replace
Real nice they have time to delete threads and ban paying customers but cant fix the f^%$^ 395015 error on the PTR.
Slowly starting to dislike this company....
Did you say something against their TOU? Or just post the video?
My guess is you made some sort of comments thats against their TOU.
Just enjoy the game!!! Now!!
None of this was actually playable; first closed (friends & family) beta started just 16 months ago. And you don't sound like one of their friends & family members. Besides, since the beta was so limited in terms of content, none of the endgame (and that's what this game and its main criticism is about) has ever been tested besides by internal development teams. Judging by screenshots that something was better is purely romanticizing. They wouldn't change something if they don't have good reasons for it; sometimes it's not as obvious as it seems.
D2 wasnt very good at release, and when most of the original designers left they brought in a new guy who gave us a awesome expansion and synergies to make alot of the abilities better.
now that wilson is gone. im hoping history repeats its self and we get a guy who will makes things better, mainly 4v4 battlegrounds(maybe dota like?) and one awesome expansion!
I never made any of those complaints. You have absolutely no way to know if "most of us" said anything about these videos.....unless you somehow have been tracking our statements for 4+ years.......
So stop making wild claims you have no way of actually knowing.
No, they didn't feel the urge to take all the steps back and make an inferioir product planning to catch up the predecessor at the future.
Diablo 3 just did it. Jay decided to scratch a lot of things and release something that was HIS work alone, so he could say he never learned anything from the team of that loser Brevik, and it was all his doing. Well, any level-head person can say that's not smart. Smart developers build AROUND the pillars of one existing franchise, they shouldn't demolish those pillars to substitute for their own.
I can't recall ONE example in which this stupid idea of redoing a game franchise with an installment that ignore the previous ones features worked well. Diablo 3 shuld have picked up from where Diablo 2 ended, not somewhere in between the crappy state of D2 and its end.
Loot still is the most important aspect of the game.
Clinbing ladders ? It's just like walking stairs. Who cares. If you realy think that leaping over small gaps is the "content" that would make D3 a better game, you need your head checked.
Typical fanboy whining post.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Twoflower-2131/hero/47336841
You clearly haven't played D1 and/or don't remember the game magazines' reviews for D2 at its release. I even remember that some magazines said "in a few months no one will talk about D2 anymore" and so on. You couldn't be any more wrong.
If you can't recall a number of examples you either haven't played too many computer games or you're really bad at reflecting changes when looking back at the history of game development. Besides, some of the greatest games became great by ignoring previous concepts and revolutionizing or even creating a genre just by trying something new.
Your post shows that you clearly have absolutely not the slightest idea of Blizzard's development policy at all.
I also just want to say that those videos from 08 were so amazing back then i watched that barb opening part like a hundred times xD
I'm still waiting for D3. Mayhaps now, with JW gone, the expansion(s) will have a chance in the hells of being not terrible.
Also, going off what the guy above me said (which I love), Diablo went from
"Not even death can save you from me!" The one terrifying and awesome line Diablo has, to
"So, you approach the oculus with the intent to destroy it...you will NOT succeed!"
Really? ugh
I remember that "stay a while and listen" was kind of annoying in the beginning; only over the years (and especially after what happened in D3) it became the great quote it is now. The one quote I'll never forget is the deep-roaring "aah... fresh meat" from the butcher - I was a lil' kid and no match for that killing machine approaching me a few minutes after I entered the Diablo universe for the first time, and even though he's considered to be a joke by now, I'll never forget the gratification of the first time beating him.
Even though D2's quotes have something to it, and D3's quotes don't seem to be as awesome, I wouldn't be too harsh on them. We'll see over time what stays in our memory. I'd say some of the follower's quotes got stuck in my head - "look at that worthy foe", "let's kill it!" and so on. Of course, nothing epic, but the one line I remember from other games doesn't have to be epic either (Baldur's Gate's Xan's depressive quotes). It's sooo difficult to come up with memorable quotes. In fact, one of the most memorable quotes of all times in computer games was created by accident (i.e., bad translation).
Totally agreed.
Probably a combination of viewing angle, zoom, shader and particle fx, as well as polygon count + texture detail. Over time I'm sure they lowered the graphics in order to run on low end PCs.
Sephiroth killed Aerith in a cinematic and that was one of the most memorable parts of any video game ever.
Stop trolling.
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