I'm asking this legitimately because I keep trying to find a reason to come back.
I can currently clear inferno on my severely "undergeared" char because the gear on this game is so strong, and inferno has been so nerfed.
This would be okay if there were good pvp + ladder + a thriving economy + character building and skill trees/stat points, but none of that really exists.
Since I can farm mp0-1 inferno with like, 1mil in gear, I don't really understand where my incentive is.
What do you guys do in diablo 3 to make it fun? Are there any hardcore players? Is it better than softcore?
I was originally really looking forward to playing hardcore with some level of difficulty and risk when the game was released, but now it feels so easy and unchallenging for no real purpose. Currently my only two incentive I suppose are trying to max paragon level and power up my character for higher MP's, but in the auction house I see 50 pages of every legendary not selling, so I don't really understand the purpose of being that efficient.
So you see pages of crap legendaries not selling and you see that as a problem?You must be one of the smart ones.
As an answer to your stupid question , cause lets be real here,very real, this is D3 asking people what they do in this game is just plain out stupid.
U know what 99% of the population does? Farm. Even if you are lvl-ing a new character ( FOR THE AWESOME NEW EXPERIENCE ), you are still farming. And what do you do after? You farm. Why do you farm hellfire ring?To farm, get para faster while doiing that, so u can farm more efficiently with 0 mf gear.
Prolly after the Patch some will do duels. Which will grow stale in like 2 hours.Dont get me wrong it will be very interesting for some people but most will havfe a few matches and be done with it. As Kripparian said , u duel, your friends go offline, what do you do? Act3 run. Why you might ask? to farm some more.
You make it fun in your own way if you dont know what to do for fun then you are not having fun in this game and you should stop playing or take a little break.
As a more serious answer : Hardcore with self-found gear.But since u can get upgrades pretty fast once u get 60, and since u get bored farming with 1 mil worth of gear.Even that is not for you.So just quit
So you see pages of crap legendaries not selling and you see that as a problem?You must be one of the smart ones.
As an answer to your stupid question , cause lets be real here,very real, this is D3 asking people what they do in this game is just plain out stupid.
U know what 99% of the population does? Farm. Even if you are lvl-ing a new character ( FOR THE AWESOME NEW EXPERIENCE ), you are still farming. And what do you do after? You farm. Why do you farm hellfire ring?To farm, get para faster while doiing that, so u can farm more efficiently with 0 mf gear.
Prolly after the Patch some will do duels. Which will grow stale in like 2 hours.Dont get me wrong it will be very interesting for some people but most will havfe a few matches and be done with it. As Kripparian said , u duel, your friends go offline, what do you do? Act3 run. Why you might ask? to farm some more.
You make it fun in your own way if you dont know what to do for fun then you are not having fun in this game and you should stop playing or take a little break.
As a more serious answer : Hardcore with self-found gear.But since u can get upgrades pretty fast once u get 60, and since u get bored farming with 1 mil worth of gear.Even that is not for you.So just quit
You have very poorly thought out points, and you misunderstood a lot of what I posted. I think you should quit at writing and thinking, because it's not for you.
Pages of legendaries not selling isn't good, if they are 'crap' then the range of power on gear needs to be changed and the drops need to be decreased so that there are leess legendaries, but more of them are good.
What I said made perfect sense. Granted english is not main language so I dont care really for what you have to say. And your bit about legenderies again made my post a whole lot stronger.
We have character builds, it's just that some work better than others. Nearly any build can work for inferno since the introduction of monster powers, people just think that because you're not a whirlwind barb or don't have the build that 80% of the other people playing that class use you can't do inferno. Which is very wrong.
It's always fun to try weird and crazy builds, which is what I'm currently doing in Diablo. I know dueling is coming up, but PvP isn't what Diablo revolves around for me. I play Diablo to unwind after a long day, to have fun. At the moment I'm sitting at mp4-5 on my Barbarian.
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Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
We have character builds, it's just that some work better than others. Nearly any build can work for inferno since the introduction of monster powers, people just think that because you're not a whirlwind barb or don't have the build that 80% of the other people playing that class use you can't do inferno. Which is very wrong.
It's always fun to try weird and crazy builds, which is what I'm currently doing in Diablo. I know dueling is coming up, but PvP isn't what Diablo revolves around for me. I play Diablo to unwind after a long day, to have fun. At the moment I'm sitting at mp4-5 on my Barbarian.
No, we don't think that other builds don't exist, the problem is other builds require nothing and are good for nothing.
In games where you have stat allocation and skill trees which are difficult or impossible to respec, you get to enjoy the rerolling of characters for different uses. Typically these characters all benefit from different types of gear, and typically not every player can farm for all types of these gears because, for example, so and so item might be found only from a specific boss in act 1, while some other item might only be found in some other difficulty on some other boss in some other act.
You might even improve that by having different bosses which can be farmed far more efficiently with some builds, and not so well with others, so there's real depthful content here without ever needing to patch the game every 6 months like an MMO.
Leoric's signet was a great example of this: You must choose, do you want to hunt for legendaries in act 3, or do you want to risk finding nothing good, but potentially finding leoric's signet (in it's heyday, before hellfire rings)
...and thus you have a meaningful economy. Choices and opportunity costs and time investments are what make up the basics of an economy.
Diablo 3 lacks all of the above that I have mentioned, and it's quite boring on account of that.
If you take the above, you've got strong infrastructure for endgame content.. then, all you need is a few additional contents such as ladders, pvp, and perhaps restoring difficulty levels. That's a good ARPG.
This diablo 3 doesn't know what it wants to be.. does it want to be a casual 5 minute game, or does it want to appeal to more serious gamers? Does it want to be a trading game, or be replace those items with BoA
The game is stretched in too many directions and not well thought out, and that's why it has an angry fanbase.
I log on, check if anything sold on the AH, then get on my melee ice wizard, clear act 2, take whatever is good and throw it on the AH or throw it to one of my alts, then do it all over again. :/ Or I play another class depending on whether I had recently found an upgrade for them or if I'm just feeling a bit burnt out on my wizard.
I've also started a HC character which is an incredibly satisfying change of pace. Everything is new again. Getting gloves with 30 int/and attack speed is a reason to celebrate. Crafting is useful. Upgrades are not a matter of farming faster, but of life and death. It's good stuff.
This diablo 3 doesn't know what it wants to be.. does it want to be a casual 5 minute game, or does it want to appeal to more serious gamers? Does it want to be a trading game, or be replace those items with BoA
Much as I hate the haters and think people should simply stop playing games they don't enjoy and go play something thats fun (after all... its just a fucking computer game), I have to sympathise with this point.
Just like everyone else, I bought D3 because of D2. IMO D3 falls very short of what made D2 what it was.
Personally, I think that due to the success of D2, the numerous powers that be, all had different ideas on how to cash in on this, and all wanted a piece of the pie. D3 is clearly not an individuals, or a teams vision for a great game, that much is clearly evident. D3 wreaks of money grubbing, pure and simple.
I can currently clear inferno on my severely "undergeared" char because the gear on this game is so strong, and inferno has been so nerfed.
This would be okay if there were good pvp + ladder + a thriving economy + character building and skill trees/stat points, but none of that really exists.
Since I can farm mp0-1 inferno with like, 1mil in gear, I don't really understand where my incentive is.
What do you guys do in diablo 3 to make it fun? Are there any hardcore players? Is it better than softcore?
I was originally really looking forward to playing hardcore with some level of difficulty and risk when the game was released, but now it feels so easy and unchallenging for no real purpose. Currently my only two incentive I suppose are trying to max paragon level and power up my character for higher MP's, but in the auction house I see 50 pages of every legendary not selling, so I don't really understand the purpose of being that efficient.
As an answer to your stupid question , cause lets be real here,very real, this is D3 asking people what they do in this game is just plain out stupid.
U know what 99% of the population does? Farm. Even if you are lvl-ing a new character ( FOR THE AWESOME NEW EXPERIENCE ), you are still farming. And what do you do after? You farm. Why do you farm hellfire ring?To farm, get para faster while doiing that, so u can farm more efficiently with 0 mf gear.
Prolly after the Patch some will do duels. Which will grow stale in like 2 hours.Dont get me wrong it will be very interesting for some people but most will havfe a few matches and be done with it. As Kripparian said , u duel, your friends go offline, what do you do? Act3 run. Why you might ask? to farm some more.
You make it fun in your own way if you dont know what to do for fun then you are not having fun in this game and you should stop playing or take a little break.
As a more serious answer : Hardcore with self-found gear.But since u can get upgrades pretty fast once u get 60, and since u get bored farming with 1 mil worth of gear.Even that is not for you.So just quit
You have very poorly thought out points, and you misunderstood a lot of what I posted. I think you should quit at writing and thinking, because it's not for you.
Pages of legendaries not selling isn't good, if they are 'crap' then the range of power on gear needs to be changed and the drops need to be decreased so that there are leess legendaries, but more of them are good.
We also really need character builds.
It's always fun to try weird and crazy builds, which is what I'm currently doing in Diablo. I know dueling is coming up, but PvP isn't what Diablo revolves around for me. I play Diablo to unwind after a long day, to have fun. At the moment I'm sitting at mp4-5 on my Barbarian.
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
No, we don't think that other builds don't exist, the problem is other builds require nothing and are good for nothing.
In games where you have stat allocation and skill trees which are difficult or impossible to respec, you get to enjoy the rerolling of characters for different uses. Typically these characters all benefit from different types of gear, and typically not every player can farm for all types of these gears because, for example, so and so item might be found only from a specific boss in act 1, while some other item might only be found in some other difficulty on some other boss in some other act.
You might even improve that by having different bosses which can be farmed far more efficiently with some builds, and not so well with others, so there's real depthful content here without ever needing to patch the game every 6 months like an MMO.
Leoric's signet was a great example of this: You must choose, do you want to hunt for legendaries in act 3, or do you want to risk finding nothing good, but potentially finding leoric's signet (in it's heyday, before hellfire rings)
...and thus you have a meaningful economy. Choices and opportunity costs and time investments are what make up the basics of an economy.
Diablo 3 lacks all of the above that I have mentioned, and it's quite boring on account of that.
If you take the above, you've got strong infrastructure for endgame content.. then, all you need is a few additional contents such as ladders, pvp, and perhaps restoring difficulty levels. That's a good ARPG.
This diablo 3 doesn't know what it wants to be.. does it want to be a casual 5 minute game, or does it want to appeal to more serious gamers? Does it want to be a trading game, or be replace those items with BoA
The game is stretched in too many directions and not well thought out, and that's why it has an angry fanbase.
I've also started a HC character which is an incredibly satisfying change of pace. Everything is new again. Getting gloves with 30 int/and attack speed is a reason to celebrate. Crafting is useful. Upgrades are not a matter of farming faster, but of life and death. It's good stuff.
Those Who Do Not Know True Pain Cannot Possibly Understand True Peace...
Much as I hate the haters and think people should simply stop playing games they don't enjoy and go play something thats fun (after all... its just a fucking computer game), I have to sympathise with this point.
Just like everyone else, I bought D3 because of D2. IMO D3 falls very short of what made D2 what it was.
Personally, I think that due to the success of D2, the numerous powers that be, all had different ideas on how to cash in on this, and all wanted a piece of the pie. D3 is clearly not an individuals, or a teams vision for a great game, that much is clearly evident. D3 wreaks of money grubbing, pure and simple.