The Raoha Route: The bar has been raised even further, 30% faster then Alkaizers Route!! [outdated]

  • #21
    Made sense to me. Video is really only 3 minutes because the last minute is him talking.

    But yah, what agadabagada said, run thre zones, log out and back in and repeat.
    I guess with that east of a run, it would be easy to disprove him. And he did post his stats.
    So if people still want to hate, alls they have to do is run Alkaizer 10-20 times, than run this 10-20 times and compare.

    He says his run only take 5-7 minutes, so doing it 10 times would only take an hour to test.......
  • #22
    Quote from slayerteino

    Quote from ogeishere

    I don't even use the diablo forum.


    You sure?
    Your Loras account: http://us.battle.net...?q=loras&f=post
    your oge account : http://us.battle.net...ch?q=oge&f=post

    also, on which account is your monk? and why do you have 3 accounts?


    lol, i used too. and it's because i have two twin brothers actually. Loras and Oge ;)
    and dude you are seriously a creep. go back under your bridge bro. (last post your getting from me..I have a bad habit of feeding the trolls hahah)
    www.Youtube.com/LastHopeForRaoha
    My D3 Character: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Loras-1351/hero/29537054
    What is dead may never die, but rises again harder and stronger.
  • #23
    Quote from ogeishere

    Quote from slayerteino

    Quote from ogeishere

    I don't even use the diablo forum.


    You sure?
    Your Loras account: http://us.battle.net...?q=loras&f=post
    your oge account : http://us.battle.net...ch?q=oge&f=post

    also, on which account is your monk? and why do you have 3 accounts?


    lol, i used too. and it's because i have two twin brothers actually. Loras and Oge ;)
    and dude you are seriously a creep. go back under your bridge bro. (last post your getting from me..I have a bad habit of feeding the trolls hahah)


    just stop stealing shit from other people and it's fine with me
  • #24
    Quote from zeroRooter

    make your bed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    ahahah man, i swear i get this ten times a day. and once from my gf. :P
    www.Youtube.com/LastHopeForRaoha
    My D3 Character: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Loras-1351/hero/29537054
    What is dead may never die, but rises again harder and stronger.
  • #25
    STILL UPDATING AS RUNS BEING COMPLETED (01/02/2013)

    I'm currently doing 10 test runs to see analyze how efficient this is for my character, using archon wizard.

    Monster Power: 1

    Bonus experience:
    - Hellfire ring: +35%
    - Leorics signet: +28%
    - Enchantress with hellfire ring: +7%
    - Enchantress with signet: +5%
    - Radiant Star Ruby in helm: +31%
    Total exp from items: +106%

    Skill spec:
    - Archon with Teleport rune
    - Storm Armor with Scramble rune
    - Familiar with Vigoron Rune
    - Magic Weapon with Blood Magic rune
    - Chain Lightning with Forked Lightning rune
    - Diamond Skin with Crystal Shell rune

    - Galvanizing Ward
    - Glass Cannon
    - Evocation

    Route:
    - Arreat Crater 2 backwards using automated checkpoint at Tower of the Cursed 1
    - Rakkis Crossing backwards
    - Keep Depths 2

    Character specs:
    - Profile: http://us.battle.net...89/hero/1170726
    - DPS: 320k (using signet and hellfire + enchatress IAS aura)
    - Paragon 89/90 (will level to 90 during testing)

    Method:
    - Avoiding all shrines
    - Avoid all backtracking unless a very short distance
    - Pick up very few items: legendaries and select 63 rares
    - If at 5 stacks when approaching the Bridge Store with guaranteed elite group in Rakkis, I would skip. Went inside if 4 stacks or less.
    - Screen cap taken with mouse over exp bar standing outside Arreat Crater 2.
    - Second screen cap taken after run is complete.
    - Experience gained is tabulated, time of run tabulated, exp/hour extrapolated
    - Run time includes leaving the game and restarting a new one (reappearing in Tower of the Cursed 1), as that is part of a full run cycle

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Run #1:
    Experience: 8,640,487
    Time: 8m26s (8.33333 multiplier)
    Exp/minute: 1,036,858
    Exp/hour: 62,211,506

    Deaths: 0
    NV stacks gained in Arreat 2: 4
    Legendaries: 0
    Involuntary Archon Loss: 0
    -----------------------------------------

    Run #2:
    Experience: 9,292,099
    Time: 7m47s (7.7833333 multiplier)
    Exp/minute: 1,193,845
    Exp/hour: 71,630,741

    Deaths: 0
    NV stacks gained in Arreat 2: 3
    Legendaries: 0
    Involuntary Archon Loss: 0
    Notes: Hit Paragon 90 this run!
    -----------------------------------------

    Run #3:
    Experience: 7,576,004
    Time: 6m34s (6.5666666 multiplier)
    Exp/minute: 1,153,706
    Exp/hour: 69,222,371

    Deaths: 0
    NV stacks gained in Arreat 2: 2
    Legendaries: 0
    Involuntary Archon Loss: 0
    -----------------------------------------

    Run #4:
    Experience: 7,701,814
    Time: 7.32 (7.5333333 multiplier)
    Exp/minute: 1,022,364
    Exp/hour: 61,341,881

    Deaths: 0
    NV stacks gained in Arreat 2: 4
    Legendaries: 0
    Involuntary Archon Loss: 0
    -----------------------------------------

    Run #5:
    Experience: 9,552,583
    Time: 9.16 (9.266666 multiplier)
    Exp/minute: 1,030,854
    Exp/hour: 61,851,256

    Deaths: 0
    NV stacks gained in Arreat 2: 4
    Legendaries: 0
    Involuntary Archon Loss: 0
    -----------------------------------------

    Run #6:
    Experience: 9,143,262
    Time: 8m28s (8.466666 multiplier)
    Exp/minute: 1,079,912
    Exp/hour: 64,794,770

    Deaths: 0
    NV stacks gained in Arreat 2: 3
    Legendaries: 0
    Involuntary Archon Loss: 0
    -----------------------------------------

    Run #7:
    Experience: 7,319,814
    Time: 7m51s (7.85 multiplier)
    Exp/minute: 932,460
    Exp/hour: 55,947,622

    Deaths: 0
    NV stacks gained in Arreat 2: 2
    Legendaries: 1
    Involuntary Archon Loss: 1
    Lost archon inbetween Rakkis and Keeps Depth 2, had about 30 seconds of downtime. User error.
    -----------------------------------------

    Run #8:
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    Run #9:
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    Run #10:
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    Once this is complete, I will try 10 Blizzard runs :)
  • #26
    An update so far in my testing.


    Raoha Route

    Run 1: 8,877,006 7 minutes = ~76m xp/hr
    Run 2: 5,904,096 5 minutes = ~71m xp/hr

    Alkaizer Route

    Run 1: 9,100,375 8 minutes = ~68m xp/hr
    Run 2: 9,262,094 9 minutes = ~62m xp/hr

    About 15% more xp per hour compared to alkaizer, in my own testing. I will continue to test and see what the averages are.
  • #27
    @ itirnitii

    What is your XP/hour doing Alkaizer? If you don't have that, your data won't mean much :P
  • #28
    Quote from itirnitii

    STILL UPDATING AS RUNS BEING COMPLETED (01/02/2013)

    I'm currently doing 10 test runs to see analyze how efficient this is for my character, using archon wizard.

    Monster Power: 1

    Bonus experience:
    - Hellfire ring: +35%
    - Leorics signet: +28%
    - Enchantress with hellfire ring: +7%
    - Radiant Star Ruby in helm: +31%
    Total exp from items: +101%

    Skill spec:
    - Archon with Teleport rune
    - Storm Armor with Scramble rune
    - Familiar with Vigoron Rune
    - Magic Weapon with Blood Magic rune
    - Chain Lightning with Forked Lightning rune
    - Diamond Skin with Crystal Shell rune

    - Galvanizing Ward
    - Glass Cannon
    - Evocation

    Route:
    - Arreat Crater 2 backwards using automated checkpoint at Tower of the Cursed 1
    - Rakkis Crossing backwards
    - Keep Depths 2

    Character specs:
    - DPS: 320k (using signet and hellfire + enchatress IAS aura)
    - Paragon 89/90 (will level to 90 during testing)

    Method:
    - Avoid all backtracking unless a very short distance
    - Screen cap taken with mouse over exp bar standing outside Arreat Crater 2.
    - Second screen cap taken after run is complete.
    - Experience gained is tabulated, time of run tabulated, exp/hour extrapolated
    - Run time includes leaving the game and restarting a new one (reappearing in Tower of the Cursed 1), as that is part of a full run cycle

    Run #1:
    Experience: 9,027,245
    Time: 9 minutes
    Exp/minute: 1,003,027
    Exp/hour: 60,181,663

    Deaths: 0
    NV stacks gained in Arreat 2: 4

    Run #2:
    Experience: 10,400,365
    Time: 10 minutes
    Exp/minute: 1,040,036
    Exp/hour: 62,402,190

    Deaths: 0
    NV stacks gained in Arreat 2: 5

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    Once this is complete, I will try 10 Blizzard runs :)


    Hey bro! awesome!
    You'll have to compare it with a different route, see how effective this one is!
    www.Youtube.com/LastHopeForRaoha
    My D3 Character: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Loras-1351/hero/29537054
    What is dead may never die, but rises again harder and stronger.
  • #29
    Remind me not to quote him again>
    www.Youtube.com/LastHopeForRaoha
    My D3 Character: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Loras-1351/hero/29537054
    What is dead may never die, but rises again harder and stronger.
  • #30
    Quote from Litheum

    @ itirnitii

    What is your XP/hour doing Alkaizer? If you don't have that, your data won't mean much :P


    I'll do that as well, have the day off!

    Note that the exp won't be as good because DH has insane mobility.
  • #31
    Quote from itirnitii

    Quote from Litheum

    @ itirnitii

    What is your XP/hour doing Alkaizer? If you don't have that, your data won't mean much :P


    I'll do that as well, have the day off!

    Note that the exp won't be as good because DH has insane mobility.


    DH has better mobility, but lacks the kind of AOE/resources I can sustain with my WD.
  • #32
    THIS IS IMPORTANT SO PLEASE READ

    If you are going to test this run and make comparisions, you MUST:

    -Don't touch shrines. They aren't the same run and you can't use it as a comparison.

    -Don't pick up ANY items. Pickup time affects exp/hr and we only care about exp/hr (ok, pick up legendaries, but be quick about it!)

    -You have to do multiple types of runs to have comparisons. If you make 60/hr doing this, don't cry foul because maybe you were only making 40/hr before on Alk's

    -Measure your time from start of game to start of game. Reload time is important! Also, use a stopwatch, seconds matter when extrapolating a small number into a larger one.

    -And last but not least, Measure your runs in multiple instances over time. That will average mob density better than calculating exp/hr for each run and averaging them all. Do runs for a full hour to get a more realistic sense of exp/hr.
  • #33
    Quote from JKlimek

    THIS IS IMPORTANT SO PLEASE READ

    If you are going to test this run and make comparisions, you MUST:

    -Don't touch shrines. They aren't the same run and you can't use it as a comparison.

    -Don't pick up ANY items. Pickup time affects exp/hr and we only care about exp/hr (ok, pick up legendaries, but be quick about it!)

    -You have to do multiple types of runs to have comparisons. If you make 60/hr doing this, don't cry foul because maybe you were only making 40/hr before on Alk's

    -Measure your time from start of game to start of game. Reload time is important! Also, use a stopwatch, seconds matter when extrapolating a small number into a larger one.

    -And last but not least, Measure your runs in multiple instances over time. That will average mob density better than calculating exp/hr for each run and averaging them all. Do runs for a full hour to get a more realistic sense of exp/hr.


    You're right. I'm gonna restart using these pointers.

    Are there spoiler buttons in this forum??

    Since I'm restarting I'm going to buy a signet for my follower too.
  • #34
    Quote from JKlimek

    THIS IS IMPORTANT SO PLEASE READ

    If you are going to test this run and make comparisions, you MUST:

    -Don't touch shrines. They aren't the same run and you can't use it as a comparison.

    -Don't pick up ANY items. Pickup time affects exp/hr and we only care about exp/hr (ok, pick up legendaries, but be quick about it!)

    -You have to do multiple types of runs to have comparisons. If you make 60/hr doing this, don't cry foul because maybe you were only making 40/hr before on Alk's

    -Measure your time from start of game to start of game. Reload time is important! Also, use a stopwatch, seconds matter when extrapolating a small number into a larger one.

    -And last but not least, Measure your runs in multiple instances over time. That will average mob density better than calculating exp/hr for each run and averaging them all. Do runs for a full hour to get a more realistic sense of exp/hr.


    I'm sure there are a lot of inconsistencies between players when comparing xp/hr, so great tips JKlimek!
    www.Youtube.com/LastHopeForRaoha
    My D3 Character: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Loras-1351/hero/29537054
    What is dead may never die, but rises again harder and stronger.
  • #35
    So fun!, now, instead of 5 places to go we just need 3!, the game is reduced to 3 spots...

    Yay.
  • #36
    I decided to do 60 minutes exactly, which ended up being 10 runs.

    61,899,506 xp in 60 minutes = ~62m xp/hr
    4 legendaries
    0 legendaries worth gold

    I noticed that many games I would never get 5 stacks. The arreat level 2 and keeps level 2 are just so random. Because of this reason, I'm going to try adding core of arreat to the start of this run and do another 60 minutes. We will see how that changes things.
  • #38


    Bonus experience:
    - Hellfire ring: +35%
    - Leorics signet: +28%
    - Enchantress with hellfire ring: +7%
    - Enchantress with signet: +5%
    - Radiant Star Ruby in helm: +31%
    Total exp from items: +106%


    When comparing routes, one should consider the relative worth of the NV 5 stack exp bonus, which goes down as you get more items with an exp bonus. For people without all those items, getting 5 stacks first may still be better than only doing the high density zones.
    I apologize for any formating issues in my posts, I just can't use the new editor.Currently playing Magic 2014, see my thread:http://www.diablofans.com/topic/97565-magic-2014/
    Also, if you like Classics, try:Dungeons and Dragons Anthology ( http://www.gamersgat...ster-collection )
  • #39
    I did a couple runs (11) last night too and found the same issue with NV stacks coming out of Arreat Crater 2.

    Couple hints for all and some for Archons:

    -When you go into Arreat, the exit is almost always left. However, if you go right and explore and end up in a long dead end, you can TP to town and WP back to the area and work your way back to the point where you left off.

    -In Raxxis, always look downstairs just to the north of where you WP in. Sometimes there is a group of enemies right below or on the stairs and I did encounter elites there twice.

    -In Raxxis, don't drop archon to rebuff until you go up the "U" shape stairs. The density before isn't enough to build up archon, but after is great.

    -In Raxxis, there is a door that leads to the "Bridge Stores" (I think). If the door stays shut, there is only a vendor down there. If the door opens itself, there is an elite there.

    -Sometimes there is an event towards the end of Raxxis where a guard asks you to help him defend an attack... don't do it, it's a waste of time.

    -Depths 2 always has a square in it and the exit is almost always on the left. Try to do the area in a circle to hit most of it.

    (FYI, my 11 runs were done in two sets and I ended up with 58-62M/hr. I haven't evaluated any other runs yet, but plan to in the future.)
  • #40
    Ill try this when i get home =) It seems cool. Ill post my numbers too.
  • #41
    Quote from Indimix

    So fun!, now, instead of 5 places to go we just need 3!, the game is reduced to 3 spots...

    Yay.


    Hint: Play the game for fun instead of maximizing efficiency and you may enjoy it more. You may level slower than some others but....who cares, right?
    BurningRope#1322
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