Uber Kuile Enrage has gotta go...

  • #41
    I love hard content actually but i have to agree that the enrage timer is not a good mechanic. As Jaetch pointed out, it would be better if the enrage timer would increase the ubers speed/damage etc instead of insta killing you without even getting hit by an attack.

    The right way to do it would be to keep enrage timer, make it so that you notice when it pops up and then increase the damage of ubers by a lot and keep increasing the damage every minute or so. Insta killed by a fart is not a fun mechanic. Blizzard once more took the easy path.
  • #42
    Quote from Vooodu

    Quote from Solmyr77

    "I am geared enough, but I can't beat the enrage timer" is a rather amusing statement :)

    If you don't get it, don't get it.

    Ok so explain why can handle all of MP 10 smart guy?

    Your understanding of geared enough seems to be 'i can survive'.
    As you can see, that's not enough and it's not even true. You can't survive the enrage. I personally can after Kulle is dead and it doesn't even take that much gear to be able to do so, as long as you don't aim for high dps as well. Why don't you try it? Have a long fight. Kill Kulle first and finish SB during enrage.
    If you can't even do that in time, mp10 is not for you. Simple as that.

    That's not even the point. You learned how to counter the bosses, avoid fireballs, get out of time slowing zones and all that crap and that was all fine with you. You just failed to counter 1 thing, which is the enrage and then you run around screaming it's not fair....
    Get back in the game and try again.


    edit: also, are you trying to say you are perfectly happy with your gear for ever and you won't replace any items anymore? seriously, go try again after upgrades (whatever they might be, more defense or dps; and however long it might take to get them) and once you beat the encounter, you'll simply shut up on forums about enrage ;)
  • #43
    Quote from Turtel

    Quote from Vooodu

    Quote from Solmyr77

    "I am geared enough, but I can't beat the enrage timer" is a rather amusing statement :)

    If you don't get it, don't get it.

    Ok so explain why can handle all of MP 10 smart guy?

    Your understanding of geared enough seems to be 'i can survive'.
    As you can see, that's not enough and it's not even true. You can't survive the enrage. I personally can and it doesn't even take that much gear to be able to do so, as long as you don't aim for high dps as well. Why don't you try it? Have a long fight. Kill Kulle first and finish SB during enrage.
    If you can't even do that in time, mp10 is not for you. Simple as that.

    ...Read my posts before posting please. Simple as that.

    Gettin' bored of repeating myself.
  • #44
    Quote from Vooodu

    Quote from Solmyr77

    "I am geared enough, but I can't beat the enrage timer" is a rather amusing statement :)

    If you don't get it, don't get it.

    Ok so explain why i can handle all of MP 10 smart guy?

    Please STFU or make some sense.

    We better stop this, our brains don't interact well.
    Thanks to Bleedxd, for pointing this out by mentioning that "Unbuffed" topic of yours.
    I apologize for any formating issues in my posts, I just can't use the new editor.Currently playing Magic 2014, see my thread:http://www.diablofans.com/topic/97565-magic-2014/
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  • #45
    Quote from Solmyr77

    Quote from Vooodu

    Quote from Solmyr77

    "I am geared enough, but I can't beat the enrage timer" is a rather amusing statement :)

    If you don't get it, don't get it.

    Ok so explain why i can handle all of MP 10 smart guy?

    Please STFU or make some sense.

    We better stop this, our brains don't interact well.
    Thanks to Bleedxd, for pointing this out by mentioning that "Unbuffed" topic of yours.

    Again.. Make some sense or just go away...

    You can run your mouth about eveything except the fact that Enrage is nothing more then a windows pop that causes insta death for no reason.

    Now you can sit there and fap your keyboard with your Credit card and cookie cutter builds all day. I don't give flying monkeys twisted nipple what you do.

    Just make some sense. ....Do i have to say pleease??
  • #46
    I think every
    Quote from Vooodu

    Quote from Solmyr77

    Quote from Vooodu

    Quote from Solmyr77

    "I am geared enough, but I can't beat the enrage timer" is a rather amusing statement :)

    If you don't get it, don't get it.

    Ok so explain why i can handle all of MP 10 smart guy?

    Please STFU or make some sense.

    We better stop this, our brains don't interact well.
    Thanks to Bleedxd, for pointing this out by mentioning that "Unbuffed" topic of yours.

    Again.. Make some sense or just go away...

    You can run your mouth about eveything except the fact that Enrage is nothing more then a windows pop that causes insta death for no reason.

    Now you can sit there and fap your keyboard with your Credit card and cookie cutter builds all day. I don't give flying monkeys twisted nipple what you do.

    Just make some sense. ....Do i have to say pleease??

    I think every person that has argued against you has made perfect sense, your just on tilt and refuse to see it. Getting all tilted because your lacking is like those parents that can't except that their child is average and try to make excuses. Sorry, your "fun" build isn't good enough for MP, which isn't intended to be used by people playing "fun" builds. Have you forgotten that Inferno is the challenge of this game? Blizzard has stated several times Hell is the perfect place for "fun" builds, and inferno is the hardmode (lol i know) that only those of highest skill and prowess should take on, which you are neither based on your issues. I say "fun" in quotes for you because I doubt our sense of fun is the same, as I have fun dominating Ubers MP8+ with little issue.

    Since Diablo 3 is just WoW 1.5, I'll use an appropriate example. Its like you trying to DPS as a holy priest and getting upset when you get kicked from groups for wanting to play "your way". Sorry but your way is stupid.
  • #47
    Quote from Vooodu

    Quote from Turtel

    Quote from Vooodu

    Quote from Solmyr77

    "I am geared enough, but I can't beat the enrage timer" is a rather amusing statement :)

    If you don't get it, don't get it.

    Ok so explain why can handle all of MP 10 smart guy?

    Your understanding of geared enough seems to be 'i can survive'.
    As you can see, that's not enough and it's not even true. You can't survive the enrage. I personally can and it doesn't even take that much gear to be able to do so, as long as you don't aim for high dps as well. Why don't you try it? Have a long fight. Kill Kulle first and finish SB during enrage.
    If you can't even do that in time, mp10 is not for you. Simple as that.

    ...Read my posts before posting please. Simple as that.

    Gettin' bored of repeating myself.

    How about reading the rest of my post few more times, except the part you quoted.
    Other ppl were right, you just don't get it. Therefor there's no point in being nice and explaining to you the things you seem to be ignoring.
    Have fun.
  • #48
    I don't understand why he seems to think only "cookie cutter and RMAH" can beat Ubers under enrage time... lol.

    Seems like a pretty bold assumption, I don't use a "cookie cutter" build (I have never seen any other person use my build exactly, ever.), have never used my Credit Card for anything but buying the game itself, and yet I have only even seen enrage a couple of times ever in D3.

    There is a distinct difference between not using a cookie cutter build/gear, and using a build/gear that just plain sucks.

    Im not exactly "for" enrage timers, but I do resent the implication that because I can do enough damage to not be bothered by them somehow indicates that I have used a cookie cutter build or my CC. (because I haven't, and I don't)

    Speaking for MP10 content here.
  • #49
    Quote from Psychatog

    I think every
    Quote from Vooodu

    Quote from Solmyr77

    Quote from Vooodu

    Quote from Solmyr77

    "I am geared enough, but I can't beat the enrage timer" is a rather amusing statement :)

    If you don't get it, don't get it.

    Ok so explain why i can handle all of MP 10 smart guy?

    Please STFU or make some sense.

    We better stop this, our brains don't interact well.
    Thanks to Bleedxd, for pointing this out by mentioning that "Unbuffed" topic of yours.

    Again.. Make some sense or just go away...

    You can run your mouth about eveything except the fact that Enrage is nothing more then a windows pop that causes insta death for no reason.

    Now you can sit there and fap your keyboard with your Credit card and cookie cutter builds all day. I don't give flying monkeys twisted nipple what you do.

    Just make some sense. ....Do i have to say pleease??

    . Sorry, your "fun" build isn't good enough for MP, which isn't intended to be used by people playing "fun" builds.

    Since Diablo 3 is just WoW 1.5

    Well, my sooo called fun build can handle all areas of MP 10. I think i made that point pretty clear.

    Also, if i wanted to play wow id play wow.

    I wanna play Diablo. Not WOW.

    And really, why should I die to a windows pop up on the bottom of my screen?

    Not using a cookie cutter build with cookie cutter gear is no reasonable reponse. So, sorry that doesn't make sense to me. Especially considering the FACT i can handle all of MP 10.

    Its a stupid game mechanic.... Which has to go.


    I don't undertsand peoples logic.
  • #50
    Anyone can edit quotes. Also I don't think it matters what you think, you know you are in the minority and that it will never change, so get over it.
  • #51
    Quote from AudioCG

    I don't understand why he seems to think only "cookie cutter and RMAH" can beat Ubers under enrage time... lol.

    Seems like a pretty bold assumption, I don't use a "cookie cutter" build (I have never seen any other person use my build exactly, ever.), have never used my Credit Card for anything but buying the game itself, and yet I have only even seen enrage a couple of times ever in D3.

    There is a distinct difference between not using a cookie cutter build/gear, and using a build/gear that just plain sucks.

    Im not exactly "for" enrage timers, but I do resent the implication that because I can do enough damage to not be bothered by them somehow indicates that I have used a cookie cutter build or my CC. (because I haven't, and I don't)

    Speaking for MP10 content here.

    Sorry if i offeneded you then. But my remark was aimed at the people who do fall under that remark..

    Most people who do claim its nothing have Credit cared their way to victory using cookie cutter builds.
  • #52
    Cookie cutter gear? Please explain, Vooodu. AND PLEASE RELAX, mmmkay?
  • #53
    Quote from Vooodu

    Quote from AudioCG

    I don't understand why he seems to think only "cookie cutter and RMAH" can beat Ubers under enrage time... lol.

    Seems like a pretty bold assumption, I don't use a "cookie cutter" build (I have never seen any other person use my build exactly, ever.), have never used my Credit Card for anything but buying the game itself, and yet I have only even seen enrage a couple of times ever in D3.

    There is a distinct difference between not using a cookie cutter build/gear, and using a build/gear that just plain sucks.

    Im not exactly "for" enrage timers, but I do resent the implication that because I can do enough damage to not be bothered by them somehow indicates that I have used a cookie cutter build or my CC. (because I haven't, and I don't)

    Speaking for MP10 content here.

    Sorry if i offeneded you then. But my remark was aimed at the people who do fall under that remark..

    Most people who do claim its nothing have Credit cared their way to victory using cookie cutter builds.

    Fair enough,

    Just out of curiosity, what are you using for your build? Seems like your going for a defensive build, Class/spec?
  • #54
    Quote from Solmyr77

    Quote from maka

    Enrage timers encourage class cannon builds and suppress tank builds. Why one should be more valid than the other.

    Just plain wrong. I could as well say: "Monsters dealing damage encourage tank builds and suppress glass cannon builds."
    You need to have a balance of survival and offensive output. If either of them was obsolete because you could win without it, the design would be flawed.

    Yeah, except reality proves me right. In Softcore, everyone focuses more on offence than defence. And it works. With ridiculously high DPS and crap defences, you can kite and dodge your way to victory; it is NOT so when things are reversed.
  • #55
    Quote from maka

    Quote from Solmyr77

    Quote from maka

    Enrage timers encourage class cannon builds and suppress tank builds. Why one should be more valid than the other.

    Just plain wrong. I could as well say: "Monsters dealing damage encourage tank builds and suppress glass cannon builds."
    You need to have a balance of survival and offensive output. If either of them was obsolete because you could win without it, the design would be flawed.

    Yeah, except reality proves me right. In Softcore, everyone focuses more on offence than defence. And it works. With ridiculously high DPS and crap defences, you can kite and dodge your way to victory; it is NOT so when things are reversed.

    Well, yes, because it is efficient, Hammerdins were by FAR the most used class in D2, and it was certainly because of the massive damage and screen filling death that build was capable of.

    Diablo has always favored massive damage.

    Although, yes, enrage timers certainly DO discourage lower damage defensive builds. (they took them off Elites, I would not be surprised if they took them off bosses too)
  • #56
    ^^Aah, so you DO understand. To me, that's what the OP's point is all about: the game favours 'really high DPS/really low defences' over 'really low DPS/really high defences'.
    And it's not true that Diablo has always favoured massive damage. Well, it is and it isn't. It's certainly more efficient to have really high damage, but OP is not concerned with efficiency. In D2 you could be the tankiest of the tanks and you'd still be able to win your fights (given enough gear and 'skill', of course). Enrage timers go against that.
    That's the whole thing: the OP doesn't care about being efficient, and that's what nobody seems to get.
  • #57
    The issue at hand is your fun build can not beat the boss in the time allotted.

    You aren't raging about nv falling off after 30 minutes, the time frame of 8 minutes is just to short for your current gear/spec.

    The AI for Kule is very kite friendly and without enrage he would be really easy.


    I've made these points and you just ignore it and focus on the gear and spec.
    Change either your gear or your spec ....
    You say that you can and win you just don't want to...

    At this point I'm assuming your just trolling, you haven't posted a build that we could make recommendations for, maybe you should so you could at least get some pointers or ideas of things to improve.


    I have played games with really long boss fights where you tanked and spanked for hours. Dust off Ever Quest and see how much fun that game is in comparison to the new raid mechanics that other games have.

    Enrage mechanics actually helped raiding by taking the long fights and distilling them to 10-20 minutes of focused effort.

    Tank and spank is not the enjoyable when it is:
    get mob to corner
    setup cleric heal chain
    wait 30 min - 3 hrs hours
    Loot 3 items for your 70-90 man raid.

    The issue at hand is you want to be able to do things slowly, but new game mechanics are for the younger generation that do not have the attention span for those epic long battles.

    I think there is a video of a naked hunter killing inferno diablo on mp 10, just takes a LOOONG time.
    While it was probably challenging for the player its basically a pattern that repeats itself, without enrage kul would be in the same boat. You can time his bubbles so they don't land on him, you can force him to run out of bubbles when he runs away from you.

    I do agree with the I don't want to be one shotted, but saying no enrage at all is a step backwards. I do think a stacking debuff or stacking dmg is more fun, but again everything has a 30 min soft enrage of you lose your nv stacks.
  • #58
    Quote from maka

    ^^Aah, so you DO understand. To me, that's what the OP's point is all about: the game favours 'really high DPS/really low defences' over 'really low DPS/really high defences'.
    And it's not true that Diablo has always favoured massive damage. Well, it is and it isn't. It's certainly more efficient to have really high damage, but OP is not concerned with efficiency. In D2 you could be the tankiest of the tanks and you'd still be able to win your fights (given enough gear and 'skill', of course). Enrage timers go against that.
    That's the whole thing: the OP doesn't care about being efficient, and that's what nobody seems to get.

    Oh, I get it.

    I really do, a mechanic like Enrage timers can make super tanky builds and low damage builds completely unviable at higher levels.

    Most people don't care/complain about it because they are happy to go to the higher damage builds/spec, because, as I mentioned, super high damage builds are popular and fun.

    TBH, I practically forgot that Enrage timers even existed, I am aware that is because I have a high damage focus on my build. (Life leech/steal tank Barb)
  • #59
    I'm with you on that; I've only ever seen enrages a couple of times, and it was so long ago that I didn't even remember they existed.
    I, too, prefer glass cannon over turtle shell. But I can understand the people that like it the other way around, and I don't like that the game herds you in the direction of one style of play.

    Also, if nobody here replying ever sees these enrages anyway, what's the big problem?
  • #60
    vastling: the question is... why is an enrage even needed when you have that "quasi enrage" called NV stacks?
    Removing the enrage would not influence anyone other than people with low dmg (due to gear or build, doesnt matter). Would it be bad for anyone that can kill those bosses within the enrage atm? Absolutely not. Would people like the OP suddenly be more efficient in this game? Guess what... no!
    The only thing that changes is that people like the OP can CHOOSE which build they want to play based on how much fun they are having with it without having an arbitrary roadblock called enrage.
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