Hey ya everyone! I've been running into a problem as of late. I have 5 toons full of stuff to sell and two bank tabs but I can only seem to sell maybe one item a day, and it's making me wonder if I am pricing things wrong.
What I do is check all my rares and see if they will sell for at minimum 100k and trash the rest (vendor), the items I do want to sell I will do the right click search and see what I could get for similar items and I sort by the buy out price lowest and set a buy out for half that price and then half that for the bid.
Example: I have an item that looks like it could sell for around 200k, I list it for 100k BO and 50k bid.
90% of items time out and never get sold.
So I'm wondering if it's the wrong items I'm trying to unload or this pricing system I'm using is not working and the items I'm trying to sell are actually work even less than what I see on the market.
One problem may be that 100k-1m items are so common that the marked is overflooded with them,
I tend to vendor items bellow 1m just since they are such a pain to unload. i know that is a luxory not everyone has tho.
also when you use the "search for similar items" funktion you kinda have to tweak the search abit seing as it is acctually searching for your exact item.
for example if i get a pair of bracers with 36str 126dex, 43vit, 67allres, 4crit and maybe some other random stat you kinda have to remove the odd stats and leave the important ones, (dex,vit,allres and crit). and round it down abit to more even numbers.
that should help abit with the pricing at least.
I do remove the stats that don't fit with an item (like 100+ dex and somehow has int on it i remove int), but I don't typically round down that stats, I'll give that a shot. As for trashing sub million, yeah I rarely come across those. It's happened a few times but they are things like set items (Kings, nat's ect) that will sell.
I'll give rounding the stats down a bit and seeing how well that dose. Thanks for the info seraphim4
One problem may be that 100k-1m items are so common that the marked is overflooded with them
Truth. At this point in the game, mediocre items are so common that a huge number of players already have those such items (or better) equipped. Given that scenario, these players are unlikely to search for the same stats. If they wish to upgrade, they'd search higher.
Most items that roll either IAS, CC or CD, I trash if they don't roll two or more of those along with primary stats and with EHP boosting stats (armor, all resist, vitality, life %) if the primary stat isn't at respectable numbers. I was actually so close to vendoring a bad trifecta glove without primary stats (only +low armor, high all resist, 8 IAS, 20ish CD, and 8 CD), until it ended up selling for ~4M. When I see items without high primary stats, or vitality on armor, or as mentioned at least 2/3 combo of IAS, CC, CD, I vendor them and keep moving.
As a result, my stash is eerily empty all the time. Legendaries/sets that don't sell are placed in a designated little corner called Brimstones. I usually only have one to two rows max on the first page with rares that I either attempt to sell if my AH slots are open, or try to give away to pubbies. The rest of page one are filled with bad Hellfire Rings that I'm banking on salvaging for more than bad crafting mats if Blizzard decides to patch it.
So just keep an eye out for the goodies with potential. Focus on picking up jewelry and gloves over sub-60 armors (their base armor will never roll higher than 63 armors, which is bad for people hunting for EHP boosts) because many BIS items for the other gear slots are of legendary or set quality. Also skip the 2-handers (Skorns and Manticores just absolutely destroy the 2-hander market) and focus on picking up non-class specific 1-hand weapons (unless the class specific item fits the one you're playing). For example, I have a wizard and monk, I never pick up mighty weapons or exorcists, and stick to regular swords, daggers, maces, axes, spears, wands, and fist weapons. I just kill fast, pick up the things that have the highest sell potential, rinse and repeat. This way, I always have space in my inventory and stash. I sell what's easily sellable (items with combinations of the key stats I've mentioned), vendor the rest, and keep repeating.
Remember, if you're trying to sell some average to above average items fast, undercut by 40% or more, unless you have the space to keep items up for a long time (like me). If you're selling a superb item, then just go with the market value, or higher if yours is better. You'll get used to it after you get a good rhythm going.
P.S. When dealing with legendary and set items, be familiar with the range of stats they can roll. If I ID a Nat's Sight (helm) and I see 90 dex and no crit chance, it's going to the salvage bin immediately even if it came with resist or vitality. If I see a 800-900 DPS Chantodo's Will (wand) without a socket or crit damage—even if it has perfect intel and max +IAS—it's going to the salvage bin immediately. I'm just not going to waste an AH slot putting it up for 100K gold tops and also take the chance of it not selling within the next week. Plus, at higher paragon levels, you can easily make 200-300K gold per run.
Plus, at higher paragon levels, you can easily make 200-300K gold per run.
mother of god... I just hit 40 and I only get like maybe 100k with 21 pickup. ~tries to grind faster~
Other than that little bit, that's not a bad way of looking at it. Flooded market means no real point in selling mid low stuff.
Today i am thankful that diablo fan members are helpful and don't just yell L2P ;p
I'm going to try everything you all have said. I just cleaned out a ton of stuff including salvaging some set and legendaries ~cries a little~
L2P comments will be in the official forums. Although once in a while, you may get a couple of black sheep here who will attempt to make you feel miserable.
But yeah, you'll get a good feel for what to sell and what to maybe sell (those are the ones that temporarily sit in your stash until you make a decision whether to vendor, donate, or actually sell in AH), and what to outright throw away. But GJ on being at paragon 40, that's already higher than the majority of players (may be incorrect on this, but that's just the feeling I get whenever I join pubs and see a bunch of semi-clueless paragon 10s-20s).
L2P comments will be in the official forums. Although once in a while, you may get a couple of black sheep here who will attempt to make you feel miserable.
But yeah, you'll get a good feel for what to sell and what to maybe sell (those are the ones that temporarily sit in your stash until you make a decision whether to vendor, donate, or actually sell in AH), and what to outright throw away. But GJ on being at paragon 40, that's already higher than the majority of players (may be incorrect on this, but that's just the feeling I get whenever I join pubs and see a bunch of semi-clueless paragon 10s-20s).
Thanks I'm trying to put the time in learning and playing with bunch of different things to find what will work good for me and my play style. Para 40 better than most? Well I guess I do stay out of public's almost always. Again thanks for the help ~huggles~
I do basically the same thing you do, namely "search for similar items", remove wasted stats, and I also downgrade them a bit unless the cheapest show up at 100k or less. I usually don't bother with lower starting bids, I just do a buyout = min bid for 20-50% lower than the closest comparable item. If an item doesn't sell, I relist at 100k less or so, or sometimes lower it more if I have a lot of items I'm trying to sell.
I don't have much time to farm though, so my slot for AH items to sell is mostly empty, and lots of times the items still take a week or so to sell.
Medicore gear is so easy to get, which means everyone got it. Which again mean you wont be able to sell it. So unless the item is Good. Vendor/salvage it.
You already got a lot of helpful hints, but just one thing to add: look at the item and don't estimate its worth based on stats, but try to think about which of these stats would be put in in a likely search request by other users.
For example, imagine shoulders with 149 main stat, 99 vit, 59 allres, some armor, pickup, and life%. Without a doubt, these are nice shoulders for many people (if we forget about Vile Ward here). For many people these are the 6 main affixes on shoulders to look for. However, the item won't show up in many searches because a typical search request might have one or more of the first three affixes at 150/100/60. Similarly, if I find an item with main stat 99 it's almost as if it doesn't have a main stat at all and therefore it decreases the likelihood of being sold significantly (i.e., if the other stats aren't exception, I'll vendor it).
Also, the "search for similar items" is rather a "search for better items". You won't see any *similar* item, but only the exact same item you have (unlikely) and better items only, otherwise. That's why you should round down all the stats on important affixes (main stat, vit, CC, IAS, crit damage), delete the numbers for some other affixes (pickup, armor), or completely exclude rather sub-par affixes from search (poison resistance and crap like this).
This is a "problem" that will continue grow, since every second there will drop superb items, and more and more ppl will get superb Wizards/DH etc etc.
I tend to just save really good items that i "might" get atleast a few million for and put them on so far non playing alt.
For exampl i find a nice amu with 150 str, 8 crit and cd 50 and other stats... value perhaps a few million. But will be hard to sell, then i create this barbarian and put it on his backpack and when the day come i start a barbarian i already got nice items.
Have 3 characters now with really nice items for being lvl 60 but still they are lvl 1
Just a suggestion
I thought of saving items for alts before, but stopped doing it because all those 500k-2mil items now just continue to drop in price so that if I ever get around to leveling one of those chars, I can just buy better gear for less than what I would get for selling the item now.
Since the patch release i tend to not sell any rare although i pick up every 1H weapon (except dh's), every gloves, bracers, rings and amulets. Extremely rare to sell a rare. Their name is well deserved.
Also most legendaries are worthless, so my selling list has been almost full time empty since the 1.05 patch.
I think that is due to the fact that at the moment many people are actually cheating, hacking, botting, exploiting so the AH atm is VERY broken. Remember just a few months ago selling an item for 2bil was unthinkable, although now many items (like perfect mempo) disappeared from the AH cause they are worth much more. I have seen accounts with like 400hours played and with 5 characters wearing gear worth 2bil on each character. These are just noobs who cheat. And they are pretty common these days, fucking the legit player's game. The game is very broken atm, thats why you cant sell anything. Just saying.
PS : Waiting for blizz to clean their shit.
In the end, the market is flooded with decent stuff and it is the really good stuff that gets any attention. If it is a leg, then you have a chance of it selling but if it does not, try your bets on the RMAH at 2 bucks. Better to get a buck than vendor trash it. I sell tons of decent items for 2 bucks and at the end of the week I cash out in gold or hold it.
Also note, if it does not sell, stash it in the auction house holding area. You have an aditional 75 slots there in each of the auctions so you can hold on to 150 items for later sale. Remember, when the expansion comes out there will be a few new players coming back or playing for the first time and they will want decent items for good prices. Might be worth holding on to some stuff til then.
Pretty much all the tips have been covered, only thing I will add is I like to put in only the highly searched stats then change one to get a bit better range of whats available. For instance, if I had a ring with:
100 vit
100 int
4% crit
200 Life regen
I would search Vit, 80 int, 3% crit.
Then add Life regen, and see what the minimum bids are.
Take out life regen and add maybe a low 100 LOH, check items.
Take out LOH, add 5%life, check items.
This tends to give a better idea of the market, you can even check AIS or Crit damage, the mimimum will be higher, but you know life regen wont compete against IAS adn CHD, so it gives you an idea of what your item probably wont sell for.
For instance, if there are items selling for 500k with 100vit, 100int, 4% crit and 200+ LOH, you know its unlikely your item will sell for more than 500k, because there are better options at that price point.
Another thing you can try is switching out key stats for comparable amounts of another. So if you had gloves with 7% crit, you could search for the same items with 7% IAS or 35% CHD to see a larger range of items at your items comparable value.
Again, this really helps with items with a lot of stats, to give a broader view of the market at certain price levels.
----And all that being said, I still have a ton of auctions expire, I keep lowering the buyout, and still get no bids. So it is not anything you are doing wrong, everyone is experiencing the same thing right now. The market is just horrible right now until they introduce a real item sink.
This is the biggest reason I play hardcore. Combination of the rmah and a much larger player pool in softcore has created this issue where a lot of gear is over flooded so its hard to sell stuff.
I understand that hardcore is not for everyone....but the ah economy is a lot better in my opinion. Just something to consider.
A categorization I like to use is 'double rolls' on gear. For instance: inna's belt with over 101 dex is a double roll on dex. So if price one with 140 dex set dex to 101 to only show double rolled belts. You'll see pricing curves at these thresholds. Check out inna's chest above and below 200 vita for a clear threshold.
People won't drop a lot of gold for common gear that might be a side grade at best. I've got a stash load of gear that has great stats, but because they aren't the PERFECT item with the best possible rolls, people won't pay top dollar for it.
The best thing you can do if you don't know the market is, do a similiar search, find what others are going for and undercut them by at least 15%, if it doesn't sell, re-list it at an even lower price. I rinse and repeat that about 4-5 times and if it doesn't sell, it either gets vendored, posted in general chat for anyone who has best offer and if I still have it by then, It gets vendored or handed down to a friend. It's annoying but the market really is flooded with crap these days,
A lot of stuff in the game is so common that even if you sell it for 50% less than the bottom price, it still might not sell. If that's the case, just vendor it.
When checking prices, make sure to check for items with -10% or -15% of your exact stats so you get a better picture. Sometimes you might find few items with your stats and you might think it's worth more than it really is.
But if you're pricing things right - i.e. garbage/common items should be priced 50% of the bottom price, especially if the bottom price has been on the AH for a few hours - then you should just vendor it if it does not sell.
You might think you'll lose money with this strategy, but at least you're going to sell everything that could have sold, and you won't be wasting AH tabs for better things down the road. You will also have a pretty clean stash.
If you find something good, don't use this exact strategy of course.
When you go to sell something, remember... it's there because it HASN'T sold at that price. So if it's got under a day left and 0 bids, that item was overpriced and you should set your price lower.
In addition to my above post, I usually wait for 5-8 hours, if item don't sell, then I lower the price. Cuz I don't want to wait for 36 hours for aution.
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What I do is check all my rares and see if they will sell for at minimum 100k and trash the rest (vendor), the items I do want to sell I will do the right click search and see what I could get for similar items and I sort by the buy out price lowest and set a buy out for half that price and then half that for the bid.
Example: I have an item that looks like it could sell for around 200k, I list it for 100k BO and 50k bid.
90% of items time out and never get sold.
So I'm wondering if it's the wrong items I'm trying to unload or this pricing system I'm using is not working and the items I'm trying to sell are actually work even less than what I see on the market.
Any help is appreciated.
I do remove the stats that don't fit with an item (like 100+ dex and somehow has int on it i remove int), but I don't typically round down that stats, I'll give that a shot. As for trashing sub million, yeah I rarely come across those. It's happened a few times but they are things like set items (Kings, nat's ect) that will sell.
I'll give rounding the stats down a bit and seeing how well that dose. Thanks for the info seraphim4
Anyone else got some ideas?
Truth. At this point in the game, mediocre items are so common that a huge number of players already have those such items (or better) equipped. Given that scenario, these players are unlikely to search for the same stats. If they wish to upgrade, they'd search higher.
Most items that roll either IAS, CC or CD, I trash if they don't roll two or more of those along with primary stats and with EHP boosting stats (armor, all resist, vitality, life %) if the primary stat isn't at respectable numbers. I was actually so close to vendoring a bad trifecta glove without primary stats (only +low armor, high all resist, 8 IAS, 20ish CD, and 8 CD), until it ended up selling for ~4M. When I see items without high primary stats, or vitality on armor, or as mentioned at least 2/3 combo of IAS, CC, CD, I vendor them and keep moving.
As a result, my stash is eerily empty all the time. Legendaries/sets that don't sell are placed in a designated little corner called Brimstones. I usually only have one to two rows max on the first page with rares that I either attempt to sell if my AH slots are open, or try to give away to pubbies. The rest of page one are filled with bad Hellfire Rings that I'm banking on salvaging for more than bad crafting mats if Blizzard decides to patch it.
So just keep an eye out for the goodies with potential. Focus on picking up jewelry and gloves over sub-60 armors (their base armor will never roll higher than 63 armors, which is bad for people hunting for EHP boosts) because many BIS items for the other gear slots are of legendary or set quality. Also skip the 2-handers (Skorns and Manticores just absolutely destroy the 2-hander market) and focus on picking up non-class specific 1-hand weapons (unless the class specific item fits the one you're playing). For example, I have a wizard and monk, I never pick up mighty weapons or exorcists, and stick to regular swords, daggers, maces, axes, spears, wands, and fist weapons. I just kill fast, pick up the things that have the highest sell potential, rinse and repeat. This way, I always have space in my inventory and stash. I sell what's easily sellable (items with combinations of the key stats I've mentioned), vendor the rest, and keep repeating.
Remember, if you're trying to sell some average to above average items fast, undercut by 40% or more, unless you have the space to keep items up for a long time (like me). If you're selling a superb item, then just go with the market value, or higher if yours is better. You'll get used to it after you get a good rhythm going.
P.S. When dealing with legendary and set items, be familiar with the range of stats they can roll. If I ID a Nat's Sight (helm) and I see 90 dex and no crit chance, it's going to the salvage bin immediately even if it came with resist or vitality. If I see a 800-900 DPS Chantodo's Will (wand) without a socket or crit damage—even if it has perfect intel and max +IAS—it's going to the salvage bin immediately. I'm just not going to waste an AH slot putting it up for 100K gold tops and also take the chance of it not selling within the next week. Plus, at higher paragon levels, you can easily make 200-300K gold per run.
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mother of god... I just hit 40 and I only get like maybe 100k with 21 pickup. ~tries to grind faster~
Other than that little bit, that's not a bad way of looking at it. Flooded market means no real point in selling mid low stuff.
Today i am thankful that diablo fan members are helpful and don't just yell L2P ;p
I'm going to try everything you all have said. I just cleaned out a ton of stuff including salvaging some set and legendaries ~cries a little~
L2P comments will be in the official forums. Although once in a while, you may get a couple of black sheep here who will attempt to make you feel miserable.
But yeah, you'll get a good feel for what to sell and what to maybe sell (those are the ones that temporarily sit in your stash until you make a decision whether to vendor, donate, or actually sell in AH), and what to outright throw away. But GJ on being at paragon 40, that's already higher than the majority of players (may be incorrect on this, but that's just the feeling I get whenever I join pubs and see a bunch of semi-clueless paragon 10s-20s).
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Thanks I'm trying to put the time in learning and playing with bunch of different things to find what will work good for me and my play style. Para 40 better than most? Well I guess I do stay out of public's almost always. Again thanks for the help ~huggles~
I don't have much time to farm though, so my slot for AH items to sell is mostly empty, and lots of times the items still take a week or so to sell.
Crusader DPS and EHP Spreadsheet, meant for Crusaders
My Wizard
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For example, imagine shoulders with 149 main stat, 99 vit, 59 allres, some armor, pickup, and life%. Without a doubt, these are nice shoulders for many people (if we forget about Vile Ward here). For many people these are the 6 main affixes on shoulders to look for. However, the item won't show up in many searches because a typical search request might have one or more of the first three affixes at 150/100/60. Similarly, if I find an item with main stat 99 it's almost as if it doesn't have a main stat at all and therefore it decreases the likelihood of being sold significantly (i.e., if the other stats aren't exception, I'll vendor it).
Also, the "search for similar items" is rather a "search for better items". You won't see any *similar* item, but only the exact same item you have (unlikely) and better items only, otherwise. That's why you should round down all the stats on important affixes (main stat, vit, CC, IAS, crit damage), delete the numbers for some other affixes (pickup, armor), or completely exclude rather sub-par affixes from search (poison resistance and crap like this).
I thought of saving items for alts before, but stopped doing it because all those 500k-2mil items now just continue to drop in price so that if I ever get around to leveling one of those chars, I can just buy better gear for less than what I would get for selling the item now.
Crusader DPS and EHP Spreadsheet, meant for Crusaders
My Wizard
Also most legendaries are worthless, so my selling list has been almost full time empty since the 1.05 patch.
I think that is due to the fact that at the moment many people are actually cheating, hacking, botting, exploiting so the AH atm is VERY broken. Remember just a few months ago selling an item for 2bil was unthinkable, although now many items (like perfect mempo) disappeared from the AH cause they are worth much more. I have seen accounts with like 400hours played and with 5 characters wearing gear worth 2bil on each character. These are just noobs who cheat. And they are pretty common these days, fucking the legit player's game. The game is very broken atm, thats why you cant sell anything. Just saying.
PS : Waiting for blizz to clean their shit.
Also note, if it does not sell, stash it in the auction house holding area. You have an aditional 75 slots there in each of the auctions so you can hold on to 150 items for later sale. Remember, when the expansion comes out there will be a few new players coming back or playing for the first time and they will want decent items for good prices. Might be worth holding on to some stuff til then.
100 vit
100 int
4% crit
200 Life regen
I would search Vit, 80 int, 3% crit.
Then add Life regen, and see what the minimum bids are.
Take out life regen and add maybe a low 100 LOH, check items.
Take out LOH, add 5%life, check items.
This tends to give a better idea of the market, you can even check AIS or Crit damage, the mimimum will be higher, but you know life regen wont compete against IAS adn CHD, so it gives you an idea of what your item probably wont sell for.
For instance, if there are items selling for 500k with 100vit, 100int, 4% crit and 200+ LOH, you know its unlikely your item will sell for more than 500k, because there are better options at that price point.
Another thing you can try is switching out key stats for comparable amounts of another. So if you had gloves with 7% crit, you could search for the same items with 7% IAS or 35% CHD to see a larger range of items at your items comparable value.
Again, this really helps with items with a lot of stats, to give a broader view of the market at certain price levels.
----And all that being said, I still have a ton of auctions expire, I keep lowering the buyout, and still get no bids. So it is not anything you are doing wrong, everyone is experiencing the same thing right now. The market is just horrible right now until they introduce a real item sink.
I understand that hardcore is not for everyone....but the ah economy is a lot better in my opinion. Just something to consider.
The best thing you can do if you don't know the market is, do a similiar search, find what others are going for and undercut them by at least 15%, if it doesn't sell, re-list it at an even lower price. I rinse and repeat that about 4-5 times and if it doesn't sell, it either gets vendored, posted in general chat for anyone who has best offer and if I still have it by then, It gets vendored or handed down to a friend. It's annoying but the market really is flooded with crap these days,
When checking prices, make sure to check for items with -10% or -15% of your exact stats so you get a better picture. Sometimes you might find few items with your stats and you might think it's worth more than it really is.
But if you're pricing things right - i.e. garbage/common items should be priced 50% of the bottom price, especially if the bottom price has been on the AH for a few hours - then you should just vendor it if it does not sell.
You might think you'll lose money with this strategy, but at least you're going to sell everything that could have sold, and you won't be wasting AH tabs for better things down the road. You will also have a pretty clean stash.
If you find something good, don't use this exact strategy of course.
Rule Number 2: Repeat Rule number 1 until item is sold.
If your item don't get sold, then obviously it is overpriced. only some rare cases above rule don't apply.