I know some things can get overly convoluted and confusing as we go further into the think tank, but I'm here to make one thing clear. If you have to stop at ANY point in time, other than to look at items and decide which are worth picking up, then you shouldn't be using monster power. The proof is in the numbers.
If the difference between farming MP0 and MP3 is that MP3 actualy challenges you and you have to spend any amount of time killing things beyond just walking through them, you should just be farming MP0, the bonuses of MP3 are EXTREMELY outweighed by the fact you are not moving nonstop.
For those of us with gear, it is best to find the monster power where you begin to stop while killing, then use 1 less. This will maximize your farm.
Ill repeat in all caps, USING MOSTER POWER IS ACTUALY NETTING YOU LESS FARM OVER ALL IF WHILE USING IT YOU HAVE TO STOP AT ---A N Y--- POINT IN TIME! (other than to look at items)
Edit for clarification:
Wizards: this means anything beyond stutterstepping, and NEVER backtracking other than to pick up items
Monks: this means anything other than tempest rushing through everything and 1 shotting it
Barbs: this menas anything other than WWing ONCE through trash and it dying (this menas never having to WW back through)
Demonhunters: this means that the only time syou shouldnt be vaulting is when your 1 shotting things.
Wichdoctors: I have no idea how you play, but you should also never stop
you realise that if you ww once and thing die you probably wont get enough rage to sprint and keep berserk? so youll be slower.
if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker
for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game
you realise that if you ww once and thing die you probably wont get enough rage to sprint and keep berserk? so youll be slower.
if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker
for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game
If you kill stuff with a single spin of WW, do you even NEED to maintain infinite WoTB?
*the answer is no
You just respec your skills to provide you with more general damage.
you realise that if you ww once and thing die you probably wont get enough rage to sprint and keep berserk? so youll be slower.
if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker
for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game
If you kill stuff with a single spin of WW, do you even NEED to maintain infinite WoTB?
*the answer is no
You just respec your skills to provide you with more general damage.
you realise that if you ww once and thing die you probably wont get enough rage to sprint and keep berserk? so youll be slower.
if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker
for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game
If you kill stuff with a single spin of WW, do you even NEED to maintain infinite WoTB?
*the answer is no
You just respec your skills to provide you with more general damage.
at this point you shouldnt even use a WW spec
Eh...... maybe.
WW has alot of viable uses outside of infinite WoTB.
Dont think for a second that infinite WoTB is the only reason to use WW, constant crits and the exceedingly high AOE hit rate benefit a variety of Barb builds a great deal.
The best Barbs I have seen dont just blindly spec to flavor of the month.
you realise that if you ww once and thing die you probably wont get enough rage to sprint and keep berserk? so youll be slower.
if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker
for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game
If you kill stuff with a single spin of WW, do you even NEED to maintain infinite WoTB?
*the answer is no
You just respec your skills to provide you with more general damage.
at this point you shouldnt even use a WW spec
Eh...... maybe.
WW has alot of viable uses outside of infinite WoTB.
Dont think for a second that infinite WoTB is the only reason to use WW, constant crits and the exceedingly high AOE hit rate benefit a variety of Barb builds a great deal.
The best Barbs I have seen dont just blindly spec to flavor of the month.
you realise that if you ww once and thing die you probably wont get enough rage to sprint and keep berserk? so youll be slower.
if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker
for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game
If you kill stuff with a single spin of WW, do you even NEED to maintain infinite WoTB?
*the answer is no
You just respec your skills to provide you with more general damage.
at this point you shouldnt even use a WW spec
Eh...... maybe.
WW has alot of viable uses outside of infinite WoTB.
Dont think for a second that infinite WoTB is the only reason to use WW, constant crits and the exceedingly high AOE hit rate benefit a variety of Barb builds a great deal.
The best Barbs I have seen dont just blindly spec to flavor of the month.
I have talked with this guy a bunch, he is a murder machine.
Im working on digging up more, have to dig through post history.
cant see it goin on, i cant see em 1 shotting using ww and i cant see their efficiency either, im sure they are strong and im sure they hurt but i think we were talking about op saying that WW 1 shotting at mp0 being the most efficient way to go vs me saying it wouldnt be optimal
I have talked with this guy a bunch, he is a murder machine.
Im working on digging up more, have to dig through post history.
cant see it goin on, i cant see em 1 shotting using ww and i cant see their efficiency either, im sure they are strong and im sure they hurt but i think we were talking about op saying that WW 1 shotting at mp0 being the most efficient way to go vs me saying it wouldnt work so good
Actually, both of these guys can 1 shot trash mobs with WW in MP0, I think they can do that up to MP2 or 3.
Or are you thinking 1 shot Elites? Because no, they dont do that.
I really hate this idea that's being pushed that if you aren't blowing through mobs with utter impunity than you're doing it wrong.
I hope that Blizz addresses this EZ mode issue, the fact that it will wrought the same rewards at a faster pace, ending this blissfully unchallenged EZ mode habit for so many well-geared players.
Why not just bot and really spike the efficiency meter?
I really hate this idea that's being pushed that if you aren't blowing through mobs with utter impunity than you're doing it wrong.
I hope that Blizz addresses this EZ mode issue, the fact that it will wrought the same rewards at a faster pace, ending this blissfully unchallenged EZ mode habit for so many well-geared players.
Why not just bot and really spike the efficiency meter?
At least Keys/Ubers promotes MP5+.
But yeah, I think a little bump up in bonus for MP5+ would make it more compelling.
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If the difference between farming MP0 and MP3 is that MP3 actualy challenges you and you have to spend any amount of time killing things beyond just walking through them, you should just be farming MP0, the bonuses of MP3 are EXTREMELY outweighed by the fact you are not moving nonstop.
For those of us with gear, it is best to find the monster power where you begin to stop while killing, then use 1 less. This will maximize your farm.
Ill repeat in all caps, USING MOSTER POWER IS ACTUALY NETTING YOU LESS FARM OVER ALL IF WHILE USING IT YOU HAVE TO STOP AT ---A N Y--- POINT IN TIME! (other than to look at items)
Edit for clarification:
Wizards: this means anything beyond stutterstepping, and NEVER backtracking other than to pick up items
Monks: this means anything other than tempest rushing through everything and 1 shotting it
Barbs: this menas anything other than WWing ONCE through trash and it dying (this menas never having to WW back through)
Demonhunters: this means that the only time syou shouldnt be vaulting is when your 1 shotting things.
Wichdoctors: I have no idea how you play, but you should also never stop
However, what if you just want the challenge? Or if you are hunting for keys?
Ha. Bagstone.
if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker
for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game
If you kill stuff with a single spin of WW, do you even NEED to maintain infinite WoTB?
*the answer is no
You just respec your skills to provide you with more general damage.
at this point you shouldnt even use a WW spec
Eh...... maybe.
WW has alot of viable uses outside of infinite WoTB.
Dont think for a second that infinite WoTB is the only reason to use WW, constant crits and the exceedingly high AOE hit rate benefit a variety of Barb builds a great deal.
The best Barbs I have seen dont just blindly spec to flavor of the month.
show me, i want to see
http://us.battle.net...6/hero/16884320
This guy is awesome, have been in a few games with him.
http://us.battle.net...59/hero/6395374
I have talked with this guy a bunch, he is a murder machine.
Im working on digging up more, have to dig through post history.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Cobearz-1638/hero/884698
Not WW. ^^
cant see it goin on, i cant see em 1 shotting using ww and i cant see their efficiency either, im sure they are strong and im sure they hurt but i think we were talking about op saying that WW 1 shotting at mp0 being the most efficient way to go vs me saying it wouldnt be optimal
Actually, both of these guys can 1 shot trash mobs with WW in MP0, I think they can do that up to MP2 or 3.
Or are you thinking 1 shot Elites? Because no, they dont do that.
this and realising he didnt said 1 WW shot but goin once wich is kinda correct ><, missinterpreted it actually
Yup, they can do exactly that.
That 145k guy crits for 400K+, shit just melts to him.
yeah but at this point they would be under their sweet spot and get more on +1-2 mp wich is why i was arguing it wasnt the best
They both actually farm on MP2/3 most of the time, they can still one shot at that level.
I agree with your assessment, go up in MP until you cannot blitz through it.
I hope that Blizz addresses this EZ mode issue, the fact that it will wrought the same rewards at a faster pace, ending this blissfully unchallenged EZ mode habit for so many well-geared players.
Why not just bot and really spike the efficiency meter?
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At least Keys/Ubers promotes MP5+.
But yeah, I think a little bump up in bonus for MP5+ would make it more compelling.