The bottom line is this, duping is a real thing, the method used and arguing about it is pointless.
I disagree about the importance of the method. Understanding the 'how' is paramount. We all know why, it's the 'how' that is important.
For those people claiming that recent dupes floating around are from rollbacks, you should not argue with such conviction.
Until I have reason to believe otherwise, it seems logical to presume the most likely scenario. Should I leave my mind open to other possibilities? Yes, and I have. However, my argument here has been from a position of observation. All I have is what I can observe.
Using logic that rollbacks and the amount of dupes are the clear answer, you then ask for proof to the contrary. However your argument doesn't prove anything either, and asking for people to show you a dupe method is absurd.
The presence of one thing and the absence of another allows for me to not require proof of that which is absent here. Also; I never asked for proof of a viable dupe method. Some genius posted a few well-known fake/edited vids supposedly showing an active dupe method, both gleamed from Gold Seller sites which either want to sell you gold or simply rob you. Nobody asked him to do so.
There have been other dupe methods that have been patched in the past, so rollbacks aren't the only method.
When Where Who What? Since you're going all Mr Spock up in this mothafucka, I would expect the logical thing to do would be to prove this assertion. You can't just state that as fact and leave it at that.
Rollbacks aren't a new method of duping, Blizzard and others have known about it for months.
OK? Soooo....? What do we do with this information, as in, how does this change anything?
The only thing that that the RMAH/GAH aren't flooded with dupes proves, is that the dupe isn't public.
It proves that dupes aren't "rampant", as was suggested by the OP in one of his many threads about this exact same topic. We know what happens when people discover a dupe method, we've seen it in action before. So why is restraint all of the sudden a key attribute of the nefarious duper? Because real money has now entered the equation? Hasn't real money always been a part of this equation?
The rollback method is public, and if you do manage to pull it off, I doubt you could do it a third time.
Hence the limited amounts we've seen documented, all very much isolated. Do you see?
When duping becomes "rampant" it's because it's public. Since the only method that has been posted publicly is the rollback method you can conclude that this isn't the method. Furthermore when you use this method you get a dupe of all your current gear. For the amount of dupes that are out there you would need to have been rolled back more times than allowed.
Blizzard had to roll back the Asia server once already due to massive duping back in June, you can find this information yourself. While this method was claimed to have not been live on NA/EU servers. It was assumed that it was and patched, guess what was released after? That's right! The RMAH. Which was pushed back several weeks, which was also assumed because Blizzard needed to fix Asia and patch the dupe method first. It's all speculation however, but what is fact is that Asia was rolled back for duping and right after the RMAH was released.
Now you might believe that the RMAH doesn't prevent duping from going public, but common sense dictates it does. If you consider that Asia duping is rampant and NA/EU isn't, do you suppose it's because we have an RMAH and Asia doesn't? Because I think it does.
There were also two other methods hinted at in the beginning of Diablo's release. One was with commodities, which was fueled by more speculation when Blizzard disabled them. The other was when we were able to cancel auctions after the first five minutes had past by changing our local time/date on our PCs. Neither method was released publicly after being "fixed" and Blizzard has never confirmed fixing them either.
there are atleast 2 dupe mehtods out there in private hands and 1 known to public (rollback)
1 i presume uses gems to perm identicle item# items the other is either rollback or something the AH does under stress
AH one was fixed by blizzard when gems stopped being duped as they were the main item duped using the AH dupe method this was actually mostly done a while ago but the gems were only unloaded in late october early november the reason they unloaded the gems in this period is because this is when the dupe was fixed and all the accounts owned by players who did the dupe were at risk of being banned so they all rushed the AH hense the pricedrops
the item with socket one i expect will be fixed in 8 hour maintence on tuesday
now this is just my speculation and likely wrong just my conclusions of what has been going on with duping
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Wise ElderI disagree about the importance of the method. Understanding the 'how' is paramount. We all know why, it's the 'how' that is important.
Until I have reason to believe otherwise, it seems logical to presume the most likely scenario. Should I leave my mind open to other possibilities? Yes, and I have. However, my argument here has been from a position of observation. All I have is what I can observe.
The presence of one thing and the absence of another allows for me to not require proof of that which is absent here. Also; I never asked for proof of a viable dupe method. Some genius posted a few well-known fake/edited vids supposedly showing an active dupe method, both gleamed from Gold Seller sites which either want to sell you gold or simply rob you. Nobody asked him to do so.
When Where Who What? Since you're going all Mr Spock up in this mothafucka, I would expect the logical thing to do would be to prove this assertion. You can't just state that as fact and leave it at that.
OK? Soooo....? What do we do with this information, as in, how does this change anything?
It proves that dupes aren't "rampant", as was suggested by the OP in one of his many threads about this exact same topic. We know what happens when people discover a dupe method, we've seen it in action before. So why is restraint all of the sudden a key attribute of the nefarious duper? Because real money has now entered the equation? Hasn't real money always been a part of this equation?
Hence the limited amounts we've seen documented, all very much isolated. Do you see?
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Blizzard had to roll back the Asia server once already due to massive duping back in June, you can find this information yourself. While this method was claimed to have not been live on NA/EU servers. It was assumed that it was and patched, guess what was released after? That's right! The RMAH. Which was pushed back several weeks, which was also assumed because Blizzard needed to fix Asia and patch the dupe method first. It's all speculation however, but what is fact is that Asia was rolled back for duping and right after the RMAH was released.
Now you might believe that the RMAH doesn't prevent duping from going public, but common sense dictates it does. If you consider that Asia duping is rampant and NA/EU isn't, do you suppose it's because we have an RMAH and Asia doesn't? Because I think it does.
There were also two other methods hinted at in the beginning of Diablo's release. One was with commodities, which was fueled by more speculation when Blizzard disabled them. The other was when we were able to cancel auctions after the first five minutes had past by changing our local time/date on our PCs. Neither method was released publicly after being "fixed" and Blizzard has never confirmed fixing them either.
1 i presume uses gems to perm identicle item# items the other is either rollback or something the AH does under stress
AH one was fixed by blizzard when gems stopped being duped as they were the main item duped using the AH dupe method this was actually mostly done a while ago but the gems were only unloaded in late october early november the reason they unloaded the gems in this period is because this is when the dupe was fixed and all the accounts owned by players who did the dupe were at risk of being banned so they all rushed the AH hense the pricedrops
the item with socket one i expect will be fixed in 8 hour maintence on tuesday
now this is just my speculation and likely wrong just my conclusions of what has been going on with duping