Do stat rolls work the same in every Act?

  • #1
    I understand that each Act has a specific percent in which item levels can drop. According to the information bellow It states that an item level 63 item has a 4.8% chance to drop in Act 1 Inferno. Act 3 has a 16.3% chance.
    • Inferno – Act I
      • iLvl 61: 23.9%, up from 17.7%
      • iLvl 62: 12.6%, up from 7.9%
      • iLvl 63: 4.8%, up from 2.0%
    • Inferno – Act II
      • iLvl 61: 23.3%, up from 18.6%
      • iLvl 62: 18.6%, up from 12.4%
      • iLvl 63: 9.3%, up from 4.1%
    • Inferno – Act III and Act IV
      • iLvl 61: 27.1%, up from 24.1%
      • iLvl 62: 21.7%, up from 16.1%
      • iLvl 63: 16.3%, up from 8.0%
    Now that we know the chance of which item level can drop per act, I would like to know if item level stat rolls matter per act? What I mean is does the stat roll get pulled from one database of stats for that particular item level? or is there a separate pool of stats based on the act that the item dropped in?
    For example, a Item level 63 pair of gloves drop in Act 1 Inferno. Could there be a reasonably good chance that the stats rolled on that item in that Act can come out to be the same or similar stats found on a Item level 63 pair of gloves found in Act 3 Inferno?

    I have not been able to locate any reliable information that can help me better understand how stat rolls work or how they may or may not vary depending on Act.

    Does anyone have any best guessed or official information in regards to this?
  • #2
    The stats an item can roll are based on item level, doesn't have anything to do with which act it dropped in. Act only affects the chance of that ilvl dropping.
  • #3
    Quote from xaimx

    The stats an item can roll are based on item level, doesn't have anything to do with which act it dropped in. Act only affects the chance of that ilvl dropping.


    There was some speculation that mobs do indeed have a higher chance to drop 6 property vs 4 property. Even act 3 succubus vs act 4 hell witch. I didn't follow it too closely as I don't really care, I'd never farm anything but act 2 or 3.



    @ OP

    Your numbers are outdated.
    • Inferno – Act I
      • iLvl 61: 23.9%, up from 17.7%
      • iLvl 62: 12.6%, up from 7.9%
      • iLvl 63: 4.8%, up from 2.0%
    • Inferno – Act II
      • iLvl 61: 23.3%, up from 18.6%
      • iLvl 62: 18.6%, up from 12.4%
      • iLvl 63: 9.3%, up from 4.1%
    • Inferno – Act III and Act IV
      • iLvl 61: 27.1%, up from 24.1%
      • iLvl 62: 21.7%, up from 16.1%
      • iLvl 63: 16.3%, up from 8.0%
  • #4
    You found the wrong numbers. The updated numbers are here:
    http://us.battle.net...n/blog/6214196/
    • Hell – Act III and Act IV
      • iLvl 61: 13.9%, up from 9%
      • iLvl 62: 3.45%, up from 1.9%
      • iLvl 63: 0% (no change)
    • Inferno – Act I
      • iLvl 61: 23.9%, up from 17.7%
      • iLvl 62: 12.6%, up from 7.9%
      • iLvl 63: 4.8%, up from 2.0%
    • Inferno – Act II
      • iLvl 61: 23.3%, up from 18.6%
      • iLvl 62: 18.6%, up from 12.4%
      • iLvl 63: 9.3%, up from 4.1%
    • Inferno – Act III and Act IV
      • iLvl 61: 27.1%, up from 24.1%
      • iLvl 62: 21.7%, up from 16.1%
      • iLvl 63: 16.3%, up from 8.0%
    As far as I know, the affixes that can appear on certain items depend on the ilvl only. So it doesn't matter where you find your ilvl 63 weapon, and it shouldn't obviously.


    edit: riptide was faster :)
  • #5
    Quote from riptide

    Quote from xaimx

    The stats an item can roll are based on item level, doesn't have anything to do with which act it dropped in. Act only affects the chance of that ilvl dropping.


    There was some speculation that mobs do indeed have a higher chance to drop 6 property vs 4 property. Even act 3 succubus vs act 4 hell witch. I didn't follow it too closely as I don't really care, I'd never farm anything but act 2 or 3.

    I know that different monsters have different drop rates for items for sure. A harder monster will almost always drop at least a white and some gold, whereas easy mobs that die with one hit will only drop a couple whites and a couple gold piles if you kill an entire pack of like 15 of them (such as the little scorpions in act III vs the the Collosal Gorgers those Bigfatfuckers with the two clubs). I don't think it is any real stretch of the imagination to say that certain mobs have higher chances to drop magical/rare items either. For certain this is the case with mobs like treasure goblins. The wording in the Magic find dev blog that came out like a month ago also makes it sound like individual mobs have their own particular drop rates:
    http://eu.battle.net...ment#magic-find

    But as far as the stat rolls themselves, which is what I thought the OP was asking, if an ilvl 63 item drops in act I vs act III, the chance that they will have for instance a high strength roll will be the same, Act III lvl 63's don't get higher stat rolls.
  • #6
    http://www.d3inferno.com/affixes/ItemAffixes.html

    As mentioned, the iLvl of the gear determines the pool of what affixes can roll on the gear. Higher Acts have higher % chance to drop the higher iLvl gear.

    Beyond that, there is speculation about higher Acts getting improved affix rolls but there is no confirmation for that or even a solid data collection to test that I have heard of.
  • #7
    Thank you Riptide and Thundersteele for correcting the outdated information. I will correct the OP.

    If I understand everyone correctly what is being said is that item levels each have their own pool of possible affixes that can be rolled. Item level 60, 61, 62 and 63 are all different but may have similar affixes that can be rolled. These values may be increased or decreased depending on the item level. Example: Item level 60 could roll the Life on Hit affix but the value will be much lower were as item level 63 values will be much higher.

    Also if I am understanding this information correctly the item level affix's will be rolled on the item no matter where the item is dropped. All item level 63 items will be rolled with the same affix values regardless of where the item was found.

    To clarify I was not thinking about other types of monsters dropping different types or items or have an increased chance of dropping specific types of items. I am strictly curious to learn if item level 63's roll the same type of affixes across the board, regardless of where the item dropped. I thank you for that added information its certainly something to consider and think about.

    I believe that I now have a better understanding, if however I seem to be missing something from someones point of view please let me know.

    Thank you all for sharing your opinions and information, I really appreciate it.
  • #8
    It's a good question and something I myself have always wondered. I have never seen an authoritative post on the issue though. To me (completely and utterly anecdotal, not statistically relevant) it feels like I get more 5-6 affix rolls (on the same ilvl gear) in Act III than I do in Act I. I haven't tracked this data, nor can I say it isn't skewed due to the fact that I get more high ilvl drops in act III in comparison to act I. Not very useful information.

    However, the great MF thread that is posted here is tracking the affix count on drops. It's goal is to determine if MF has any bearing on the number of affixes on a given item, but that data could be used to answer this as well assuming that the farming is done in different acts (I don't recall if this is the case or not).
  • #9
    Quote from DestruX

    Thank you Riptide and Thundersteele for correcting the outdated information. I will correct the OP.

    If I understand everyone correctly what is being said is that item levels each have their own pool of possible affixes that can be rolled. Item level 60, 61, 62 and 63 are all different but may have similar affixes that can be rolled. These values may be increased or decreased depending on the item level. Example: Item level 60 could roll the Life on Hit affix but the value will be much lower were as item level 63 values will be much higher.


    Just to clarify: an ilvl 61 item and an ilvl 63 can roll the same stats. Just because an item has a higher ilvl does not mean that the stat rolls on that item will be higher, it just has a chance to be higher, and the min/max possible values for that stat are going to be higher on a 63 than a 61. There are many well-rolled ilvl 61's that kick the crap out of ilvl 63's.
  • #10
    From http://www.d3inferno...Resist_XII.html

    Affix Property Affix Value Affix Group ArcaneResist Affix Description Eclipsing Affix Level 63 Affix Rare Prefix Name Celestial Affix Rare Suffix Name
    Item Types for this Affix
    Item Type Max ILvl Amulet 62 Ring 62 Armor 63 Shield 63 FollowerSpecial
    60

    On the website, the second table is color coded. This affix can only roll on iLvl 63 and so those item types that can't be 63 cannot roll this affix. This is a specific affix for arcane resistance. Obviously, there are other affixes that are arcane resist that can roll

    For instance, just for arcane resist there are all these affixes:
    ArcaneResist

    ArcaneResist I
    ArcaneResist II
    ArcaneResist III
    ArcaneResist IV
    ArcaneResist V
    ArcaneResist VI
    ArcaneResist VII
    ArcaneResist VIII
    ArcaneResist IX
    ArcaneResist X
    ArcaneResist XI
    ArcaneResist XII

    So, iLvl 63s do have affixes that cannot be rolled on lower gear. In this case, Arcane Resist XII can roll from 51-60 Arcane resist. Arcane Resist VII can only be seen on iLvl 62 or above and can roll 46-50 resist. They are the same as far as what we see on the item (just says Arcane Resist) but the name that grants that affix (Glimmering for arcane resist XII or Beguiling for arcane resist VII) is also specific to a range that affix can roll on a certain iLvl or above.

    An iLvL 63 could potentially get the beguiling affix and a max roll would be 50 instead of 60. What is not confirmed or denied is if higher acts are weighted to either roll the higher versions of affixes or to be weighed to roll all res instead of arcane res. It would also be possible for Blizz to weight an Act 3 iLvl 63 to roll a higher percentage of the max possible roll if they wanted.I think that was the main point of the OP and the answer is, we don't know and Blizz isn't saying.
  • #11
    Yeah, as sifu said, in the end it is something we don't know. Item properties are determined when they are dropped, so if there is some hidden mechanic that makes act 3 and act 4 rares better on average, it will be very hard to find out. Although, people have figured out quite a few things already ;)
  • #12
    Quote from thundersteele

    Yeah, as sifu said, in the end it is something we don't know. Item properties are determined when they are dropped, so if there is some hidden mechanic that makes act 3 and act 4 rares better on average, it will be very hard to find out. Although, people have figured out quite a few things already ;)


    It would take an epic data gathering exercise, for sure. But then, look at the work that has been done around MF%, I've been amazed by the glorious work people have done gathering and analyzing data there.

    Personally, I think it is extremely unlikely that there would be different affix generation for the same ilvl item depending on where it dropped. It seems to conflict with the whole purpose of ilvls and having different ilvl drop rates in different acts. However, there are a number of very vocal people who swear blind that they're getting better affixes more frequently in later acts and that they have the millions in AH sales to prove it. Selective memory? Human brain's great ability to see patterns where none exist? Who knows.
  • #13
    Quote from st0rmie

    Quote from thundersteele

    Yeah, as sifu said, in the end it is something we don't know. Item properties are determined when they are dropped, so if there is some hidden mechanic that makes act 3 and act 4 rares better on average, it will be very hard to find out. Although, people have figured out quite a few things already ;)


    It would take an epic data gathering exercise, for sure. But then, look at the work that has been done around MF%, I've been amazed by the glorious work people have done gathering and analyzing data there.

    Personally, I think it is extremely unlikely that there would be different affix generation for the same ilvl item depending on where it dropped. It seems to conflict with the whole purpose of ilvls and having different ilvl drop rates in different acts. However, there are a number of very vocal people who swear blind that they're getting better affixes more frequently in later acts and that they have the millions in AH sales to prove it. Selective memory? Human brain's great ability to see patterns where none exist? Who knows.


    I agree. And in regards to those who swear this; I'm sure they spend equal time farming act I vs act III right? Lol. They feel like act III drops have higher rolls because they see them more often in act III, because that is by far the most productive place to get 63 gear. I have found many pieces in act I and act III, and the most expensive piece I ever sold was a pair of barb gloves with 150str, 91vit, 78@res, 8% IAS, 9.5% crit which I found on a Treasure goblin in act I.
  • #14
    I have no poof of course but my experience farming A1-A2 tells me there are a lot of things that effect drops and what stats they roll besides just the ilvl.
    For instance, i got my first decent weapon drop a 932dps sword in A1 after a few days farming after that I farmed A1 using that sword for 3 weeks straight and didn't find a single weapon over 900 dps. Eventually I upgraded to a 1070 dps weapon and the very first day a 940dps wand dropped, then a 966dps fist dropped a few elite packs later. After that 900 dps weapons dropped 2-3 times a week, nothing changed except my main hand weapon.
    I've done tests with friends where we wear no legendaries and farm a few days, then switch to wearing legendaries and see if there's a difference in drops. I tend to get 3-4x as many when wearing my 3 legendaries (HoC and wanderlust set) This could be just my luck but there have been cases of crafters crafting the exact same item their wearing so I think it's totally possible that there's some correlation between your gear and drops and considering the gear lvl required to effectively farm A3/4 it doesn't surprise me the rolls are better.
  • #15
    Quote from st0rmie

    It would take an epic data gathering exercise, for sure. But then, look at the work that has been done around MF%, I've been amazed by the glorious work people have done gathering and analyzing data there.

    Personally, I think it is extremely unlikely that there would be different affix generation for the same ilvl item depending on where it dropped. It seems to conflict with the whole purpose of ilvls and having different ilvl drop rates in different acts. However, there are a number of very vocal people who swear blind that they're getting better affixes more frequently in later acts and that they have the millions in AH sales to prove it. Selective memory? Human brain's great ability to see patterns where none exist? Who knows.


    I do not know if I should be wearing my tin foil cap or have my brain CT scanned because I am feeling a bit similar to all those other individuals who say more difficult acts drop better loot. I have a Witch Doctor that was used to farm Act 1 Inferno w/ over 300% MF (buffed) for about a month. The only thing I found was Blackthorne's Medal which was a viable upgrade for my Barbarian and worth about 2 million on the the AH. I took a break with farming on my Witch Doctor and started putting together some magic find gear for my Barbarian. He currently has 268% MF (buffed) and began farming Act 2 inferno. It has been 2-3 days and I have found 2 items that have sold for 5 million gold each. I earned 10 million gold in a few days.

    Act 2 compared to Act 1 seems to be dropping items that have +critical hit chance/damage and +resistance to all more frequently. Not only is it found more frequently but the stat rolls are higher. I never found a +all to resistance item with 30-40+ resists in Act 1. So far I found a helm with +80 dex, +120 vit, 6.0% critical hit chance and +71 all resistances. I found a pair of boots with 18% magic find, 12% faster movement speed, 40 str, 80 vit and +63 resistance to all. I did find some weapons with around 700-850 base damage but the stats were not something that could sell for very well, a few hundred thousand at best. I found (2) 5 prop Black Smith plans, In Act 1 I could only find (4) prop plans and I kept finding the same ones over and over. I found (1) flawless star topaz jewel crafting plan off of a goblin in Act 2, A friend also told me today he found the same plan off of a goblin in Act 2.

    I have no idea if there is a reason for this or if its just pure chance and perhaps those type of items could be dropping in Act 1 as well, but for some reason did not ever drop while I was farming there. As it has been said no one really knows why it appears to be happening this way. Statistically speaking it makes no sense at all and all specific item levels should have an equal chance of rolling quality stats no matter where they were found in the world. Perhaps there is some unknown data yet to be discovered that explains this phenomenon.
  • #16
    Given the way they admitted the fixed affixes work on legendaries at the moment, it's hard to completely exclude the idea that the odds are stacked.

    For legendaries, they stated that the first affix will be appropriate to the item level but subsequent affixes roll appropriate to ever decreasing item levels. They are changing that for 1.04 but the fact that they felt it was ok to do means that we can't say higher Acts would not have advantages for higher stat or better affixes. Just meaning, they have shown that they do not consider it illogical to do something conceptually similar.
  • #17
    Wanted to let you guys know that I have kicked off a data-gathering effort to determine this. Here are the details (from main d3 forum):



    I have a spreadsheet setup. I'm gonna have to trust people not to wreck it and I'm going to leave it open for public edit.

    Play a night and take a screen cap of every piece of ilvl60, 61, 62, or 63 armor with a single resist on it (lightning resist, physical resist, etc). After the night, hop on here and just fill in your drops from the screen caps. Won't take you but a few minutes. Single resist are extremely common (on something like 70-80% of gear, I think), so it shouldn't take too long. I have the charts all up and ready to go, but they are meaningless until our sample size improves.

    Who will help me? Let's end this debate. What we're looking for is a trend that says the affix rank distribution from gear from Act 3 and 4 are better than the distribution of affix ranks from act 1.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au1GY3dDfViAdGxYX3BwM0V6ZVRkMXIwbWczY0dKY1E


    Wanted you to be aware and extend an invitation to contribute if you're interested.
  • #18
    We do not know if affix rolls are affected by Act you are playing at the moment. However I can assure you that good items can indeed drop even in Act I, once a 1-handed sword with high DPS (around 1k, cant remember exactly), dex, socket and +- 800 loh dropped for me in Act I. Common sense indicates that it should not be affected by Act, just and only by iLvl, BUT we can never know the exact procedure (unless Blizzard tells us...).
  • #19
    Quote from ztking

    Wanted to let you guys know that I have kicked off a data-gathering effort to determine this. Here are the details (from main d3 forum):



    I have a spreadsheet setup. I'm gonna have to trust people not to wreck it and I'm going to leave it open for public edit.

    Play a night and take a screen cap of every piece of ilvl60, 61, 62, or 63 armor with a single resist on it (lightning resist, physical resist, etc). After the night, hop on here and just fill in your drops from the screen caps. Won't take you but a few minutes. Single resist are extremely common (on something like 70-80% of gear, I think), so it shouldn't take too long. I have the charts all up and ready to go, but they are meaningless until our sample size improves.

    Who will help me? Let's end this debate. What we're looking for is a trend that says the affix rank distribution from gear from Act 3 and 4 are better than the distribution of affix ranks from act 1.

    https://docs.google....MXIwbWczY0dKY1E


    Wanted you to be aware and extend an invitation to contribute if you're interested.


    Awesome, its looking really good and hopefully will produce fruitful results. I will participate in this project and will be collecting +resistance information In Act 1-3 depending on what act is actually farmed that particular day. Thank you
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