MoP release date named. What does it spell for D3 Community

  • #21
    Quote from Zera

    Quote from Serpenth

    All I have to say about GW2 is if you think MoP is lolcasual fest, have fun in GW2.


    Funny thing to note is that GW2 is cassual but free. Wow is costs even if u don't play a lot so wow shouldn't be cassual, Also pvp in GW2 looks better allthough the game is more of an rpg than ur classic mmo rpg where raiding is the end all be all content.
    Comparing a game that is build around being casual and buy to play to a game thats made for hardcore raiding and monthly subscription is kinda why you probably won't enjoy gw2 if u don't realise it's not wow


    That's what I mean. I don't intend to knock GW2, I just like pointing out to the hardcore WoW players who say "MoP is lolpandas casual designed for women and children" they will be disappointed when they hop on the GW2 band wagon. It will be successful for sure but it won't steal a noticeable amount of WoW subs or anything. It's funny when I see gameplay discussions on MMO champ and the dude with a Guild Wars 2 signature says "Wait there's no raids?".
  • #22
    Couldn't care less as my WoW days are over. Gonna be playing GW2 and D3, both casually : )
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  • #23
    Quote from Obbie

    Quote from Xago

    Everybody will be playing GW2 anyways ;)


    i lawled just like SWTOR huh? =p
    or Rift
    or Aion


    Or warhammer
    Or Tera
    Or Torchlite 2
    Or path of exile



    Gotta love all of this 'omg THIS time it'l kill Blizzard!'
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  • #24
    The only thats in the back off my mind is "Give us some more info on Project Titan!" :Thumbs Up:
  • #25
    It means nothing for me, as I will not play MoP and will keep playing D3 :)
  • #26
    Quote from Xago

    Everybody will be playing GW2 anyways ;)


    i will not touch gw2 in any possible way.. very boring game imo.
  • #27
    Mists of Pandaria.. I don't even see how's that remotely related to the story line Blizzard created.. There was a brewmaster in WC3, that's all. Just a pathetic attempt to milk the cow until it takes its last breath.
    But yeah, I'll probably buy it anyway.
  • #28
    I predict that when people find a good game, they will play it. But when they find more interesting games, they will play those games. And when they get sick of some games, they will play other games. Possibly games they used to play before.

    Indeed.
  • #29
    Quote from Bleu42

    Quote from Obbie

    Quote from Xago

    Everybody will be playing GW2 anyways ;)


    i lawled just like SWTOR huh? =p
    or Rift
    or Aion


    Or warhammer
    Or Tera
    Or Torchlite 2
    Or path of exile



    Gotta love all of this 'omg THIS time it'l kill Blizzard!'


    I get what you're saying. But Warhammer turned out good imo, too bad it happened so damn late. It's the world pvp that I like about it and I assume most others do as well, so it's not really a competitor to WoW in that regard. GW2 is also (extremely) different from WoW when it comes to world pvp, so there's no real competition there either. Just different demographics.
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  • #30
    Quote from Bleu42

    Quote from Obbie

    Quote from Xago

    Everybody will be playing GW2 anyways ;)


    i lawled just like SWTOR huh? =p
    or Rift
    or Aion


    Or warhammer
    Or Tera
    Or Torchlite 2
    Or path of exile



    Gotta love all of this 'omg THIS time it'l kill Blizzard!'


    Except Rift IS actually better than WoW. Better PvE because you have people raiding all levels and tiers of difficulty and not just the same raid over and over every week and better class design and customization. Also they add raid content a lot faster than Blizzard does but even when new raids are added people still do the old raids to gear up for the new raids. They dont waste content.

    Sure the rest are flops but I wish idiots would stop saying a game sucks just because 10 million people arent playing. I would put WoW as the 5th best MMO ever released and I have played 9. I would put Ultima Online, Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot, and Rift ahead of it based on amount of fun had while playing. I mean last time I checked its about fun. I dont care if only 100 people are playing a certain MMO if I enjoy it then Im going to play it. Numbers dont mean a damn thing unless you are the company and are concerned about profit. And even a game with only 100k players can turn a profit.
  • #31
    Everquest 2 was a lot better than WoW I thought up until Wrath. Cause by then everybody on the EQ2 dev team left to make Rift, which is a lot like EQ2 blended with WoW which is why a lot of the non WoW mmo players went to it and it's doing well.

    Most players that play MMO's other than WoW hate WoW and will never play it. So there's always room for competition, the thing is WoW owns a majority of the MMO market with 10million subs. If they only lost 2m with how crap Cata was, then nobody will be going anywhere for a long time cause MoP will be more like Wrath (better than Cata). Hopefully Blizzard learned that at the end of the day nobody really cares if you used all of the development time on revamping the old world.
  • #32
    Quote from thomasmgp30

    Except Rift IS actually better than WoW. Better PvE because you have people raiding all levels and tiers of difficulty and not just the same raid over and over every week and better class design and customization. Also they add raid content a lot faster than Blizzard does but even when new raids are added people still do the old raids to gear up for the new raids. They dont waste content.

    Sure the rest are flops but I wish idiots would stop saying a game sucks just because 10 million people arent playing. I would put WoW as the 5th best MMO ever released and I have played 9. I would put Ultima Online, Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot, and Rift ahead of it based on amount of fun had while playing. I mean last time I checked its about fun. I dont care if only 100 people are playing a certain MMO if I enjoy it then Im going to play it. Numbers dont mean a damn thing unless you are the company and are concerned about profit. And even a game with only 100k players can turn a profit.


    Yet it is easy to discern that WoW is evidently not as good as the other MMO's, looking beyond the sheer fact of how many years you have played WoW.

    Personally i will play MoP if i find the time IRL. But that's that. I don't know about GW2. Seems.. too RP and Casual to me. But that's all.
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  • #33
    Quote from thomasmgp30

    Except Rift IS actually better than WoW. Better PvE because you have people raiding all levels and tiers of difficulty and not just the same raid over and over every week and better class design and customization. Also they add raid content a lot faster than Blizzard does but even when new raids are added people still do the old raids to gear up for the new raids. They dont waste content.

    Sure the rest are flops but I wish idiots would stop saying a game sucks just because 10 million people arent playing. I would put WoW as the 5th best MMO ever released and I have played 9. I would put Ultima Online, Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot, and Rift ahead of it based on amount of fun had while playing. I mean last time I checked its about fun. I dont care if only 100 people are playing a certain MMO if I enjoy it then Im going to play it. Numbers dont mean a damn thing unless you are the company and are concerned about profit. And even a game with only 100k players can turn a profit.


    I find it funny that someone comes here and says that MMOs aren't about how many people are playing, but about how much fun people are having. For the record, I think RIFT is basically as good of a game as trying to dodge monkey shit at the zoo, but that's me.

    And, yet, we *still* have people making the argument that WoW is dead because they lost subs, or that D3 is dead because they lost subs. I simply don't understand how when it comes to denigrating WoW, or D3, that the # of subs is either of utmost importance in determining the quality of the game, or it's thrown directly out the window as a meaningless metric - but it's never used in Blizzard's favor. That gives us a lot of insight as to the expectations that the consumers place on Blizzard, but never on the competition.
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  • #34
    Quote from thomasmgp30

    Except Rift IS actually better than WoW.


    [stupidity]Obviously Rift is better than WoW. I mean it has to be right? They have ~12% of the active subs that WoW has. Being so far behind in sub numbers can only mean that Rift is better that WoW.[/stupidity]


    OT: What does the MoP release spell for D3? Nothing. D3 is nothing more than a casual pick up and play for a while kind of game. There really is no "I must rush to get this done" feeling to anything in D3. There is no real end game past killing Inferno Diablo. Even with PvP release I don't see it being a game that needs to be played constantly. It's not like D3 PvP is going to be the next big e-sport. People who play WoW that play D3 will play D3 between their WoW raids and such. This doesn't spell the doom of D3 and it is pretty silly for anyone to think along those lines.
  • #35
    Quote from Nastai

    To me, a person who played WoW for a month, got max level, did a few raids and then quit, MoP sounds like a complete joke. How could anyone be excited about "OMG playing a panda!!". WoW always was a kid's game in my eyes...


    I guess I don't need to type this because you nailed it.

    I'm hoping the D3 community gets better once all the WoW players go back to WoW and stop calling for nerfs, buffs, and changes in D3.
  • #36

    [stupidity]Obviously Rift is better than WoW. I mean it has to be right? They have ~12% of the active subs that WoW has. Being so far behind in sub numbers can only mean that Rift is better that WoW.[/stupidity]


    Subscription #'s != a better game.

    WoW was built and marketed to casual players, which make up the vast majority of gamers. It also was released at a time when people were hungering for a new MMO. Blizzard's marketing department might be full of geniuses, but that doesn't mean the game is better. I could make point after point as to why EQ2 was a much better game than WoW at launch.

    More people watch Judge Judy than Game of Thrones, but that doesn't mean Judge Judy is a better show.
  • #37
    My WoW days are over, and even though it doesn't mean much in the overall trends, a ton of people I raided with over the years are retiring before MoP comes out as well. There are plenty of things to do in RL to keep gaming casual with D3, DoTA2, LoL, GW2, etc. I'm looking forward to Heart of the Swarm with the rest of you guys, and I'm hoping that the new Blizz DoTA is awesome.
  • #38
    Quote from Vuron

    Subscription #'s != a better game.


    That's simply not true. If WoW only had 5000 players the majority of these forums (and other forums) would be telling Blizzard they had a horrible game because they don't have lots of players.

    The fact of the matter is that subscriptions are a PART of evaluating how good a game is. If people don't think your game is good enough to play then it's hard to argue that you have a success.

    The Judge Judy / Game of Thrones analogy is so flawed. First off one airs on basic cable, the other doesn't, so naturally that's going to cut into the number of people watching Game of Thrones. Secondly, they are of different genres so a Judge Judy fan may very well have no interest in Game of Thrones to begin with, and vice versa. That'd be like saying that the Final Fantasy series is better than the Halo series. They're not the same type of game so it almost doesn't matter.

    The following would be much more accurate:

    More people watch Judge Judy than Judge Joe Brown, therefore Judge Judy is a better show.

    They are the same genre, both available on basic cable, and would largely be expected to have a very similar audience. Now, more viewership may not outright prove that Judge Judy is a better show, but it certainly is a major component of the discussion because people are voting on which they like more with their viewership.
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  • #39
    Quote from shaggy

    Quote from Vuron

    Subscription #'s != a better game.


    That's simply not true. If WoW only had 5000 players the majority of these forums (and other forums) would be telling Blizzard they had a horrible game because they don't have lots of players.

    The fact of the matter is that subscriptions are a PART of evaluating how good a game is. If people don't think your game is good enough to play then it's hard to argue that you have a success.


    Using another analogy... independent movies and small studio movies that win major awards are considered by most to be "better" movies than so-called "summer blockbusters". Just because Transformers 3 blew away some indie flick at the box office doesn't mean it's a "better" movie. It simply appeals to a wider audience and doesn't take as much intelligence or thought to enjoy.

    This, in my opinion, describes WoW perfectly. It was designed and marketed to appeal to the large casual gamer market. It's financial success is unquestionable, but that still doesn't mean that it was the best game ever released.

    To take it further... D3 sold over 7 million copies and broke records at launch, but that doesn't mean it was better than many other games.
  • #40
    Of course, and that's why I said that subscriptions are PART of evaluating what a good game is. You can't simply ignore them and say they don't matter (because they are indicative to a cetain extent) and you can't base the entire evaluation of a game on how many people purchased it either.

    It goes without saying that things like indie movie and game studios cannot afford to mass-market games and that some people simply will never know about their games and that doesn't, by default, make their games bad. But, in the same breath it's ridiculously ignorant to say that WoW maintaining 10-12 million subscriptions for the better part of almost 8 years now isn't indicative that they are producing a quality game that has large appeal.

    They both matter (along with other factors too, I'm sure). I simply took issue with you saying that subscription numbers don't matter at all. If that's now how you intended that statement then I apologize for misinterpretation.

    EDIT
    I also take issue with the idea that somehow people who play WoW are inherently stupider than those who play an indie title, or that people who went to the movies to enjoy a simple action flick with explosions, like Transformers, are inherently less intelligent than people who went to the Cannes Film Festival and drank cappicunos on the veranda while wearing a beret.

    Entertainment is entertainment and not everyone wants to come home from work and watch something that requires a lot of attention like Tree of Life. One of my favorite movies is Memento, but I'll be honest with you, I don't always feel like watching a movie like that, sometimes I just want something I can veg out to. Memento requiring more mental acuity to "get" than Transformers does not, in any way, make it a better product.

    It'd also be super-nice if this discussion didn't turn into the typical "indie is better because it's indie and mainstream sucks because you're all lemmings with low IQs" snobbery.
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