Im still trying to figure this one out. This is the first game I have ever played where skill didnt matter a damn bit. I have been playing at least 4-5 hours a day since launch and I still cant even farm Act 2. Im am in Act 3 but I havent even beaten the first quest yet so farming that is certainly out of the question. I have leveled every character to 60 and nto Inferno except a Demon Hunter just to be sure maybe I was playing the wrong class. But no matter what cant farm Act 2 or progress through Act 3. I know Act 1 yields better resuts but thats not my point.
I have been playing MMOs since Ultima Online. I raiding high end content in Everquest with my Monk for 8 years and was always during current expansion raids never back-raiding. I raided HMs in WoW with my Lock during Wrath and Cata. I also cleared through Sunwell on my Lock during TBC. I raided Hammerknell and was 8/11 before I quit Rift. I know this isnt a problem with me. I might not be the best gamer with an awesome stream with 100s of viewers but I am decent enough to progress through the hardest content in any game I have ever installed on my PC.
So what the hell makes me so bad at this game? I see people with 30-40k DPS using a shield and a defensive build on monks and barbs. My monk using a shield had like 14k DPS. I see people with 80 million in gear and another 20-30 mil in gold. The most gold I have ever had was 15 mil. Every item I farm and ID is total garbage. I know more 63s drop in Act 3 but unless I take out a loan for the RMAH I will never be able to farm Act 3. Im not trying to hate on those people but I dont understand how they are facerolling Act 3 when I have been playing just as much as they have. There have been days where I have farmed for 8-10 hours and gotten 1 item worth posting on the AH. Not to mention I have never sold anything for more than 2 million. Also when I farm Act 1 with Templar and 5 stacks my MF is at 282 so Im doing my best to increase my chances of getting drops
Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong? I really would like to be able to farm Act 3 by Christmas.
So your assuming skill doesn't matter based off you apparently having no skill because you cant even beat act 2? <boggle>
Wizards and DHs and WHs have beat Diablo Inferno with sub 40k damage simply because they are ranged classes and know how to avoid AoE and how to kite well. I have seen Monks and Barbs kill Diablo Inferno with sub 20k DPS and just massive tanking builds. You say the most gold you have ever had was 15 million? With 15 million gold and good knowledge of how you should be gearing your character there is no excuse for not being able to clear to and kill Inferno Diablo as melee.
And comparing D3 "skill" to MMORPGs is silly. They are not the same type of games. You cannot be carried in Diablo 3 like you can be in an MMORPG. D3 is more action oriented than all the MMORPGS you named. In D3 you cannot stand in an environmental for even a second without causing your own death because there is no one their to save your ass with a clutch heal. Also, saying you raided hardcore in EQ as a comparison to having skill is kinda like shooting yourself in the foot.
Well it seems I need more gear and that will let me farm Act 3. If thats the case then I will up my farming time from 4-5 hours a day to 8-10 hours a day since I guess 5 hours a day is not enough to get good drops. If I still dont get good drops to sell for millions on the AH I will farm 12 hours a day. If that doesnt work then maybe 15 hours a day will let me get good drops. I will be damned if I am gonna let a stupid game get the best of me or make me quit. I will either get the gear so I can faceroll farm Act 3 by farming like everyone else did. Or I will do what that Korean kid did and just farm 30-40 hours straight at a time. Id have to get good drops farming that much unless the law of large numbers is wrong.
You will be better served to spend 4 hours in the AH and 1 in the game if you really want to see your gear improve.
This is a game where you are supposed to kill stuff and farm to get your loot. Im not wasting my time staring at the AH for a few hours. What the hell fun is that. This is called Diablo 3 not Auction House Online. Not to mention I dont even know what im looking for and without running a bot it would take forever to scan the AH all day long. Yea that sounds like fun.
The entire content of inferno is a skill check. It just so happens that acts 2-3-4 are also a gear check. It would be terribly poor design to make it only a skill check as to where someone can clear inferno with bad to no gear on, because either the game becomes incredibly easy and therefore boring, or so ridiculously hard that almost no one can beat it.
This is a good median; You need skill to be able to beat champ packs when you start inferno, and you need even more skill (for more dangerous mob types) plus gear to kill champ packs in later acts.
Not sure what the problem is, besides you're probably used to diablo 2 where you outlevel the content so much it never mattered with gear, which as stated above made it ridiculously easy, and therefore pretty boring.
You will be better served to spend 4 hours in the AH and 1 in the game if you really want to see your gear improve.
This is a game where you are supposed to kill stuff and farm to get your loot. Im not wasting my time staring at the AH for a few hours. What the hell fun is that. This is called Diablo 3 not Auction House Online. Not to mention I dont even know what im looking for and without running a bot it would take forever to scan the AH all day long. Yea that sounds like fun.
I agree I've never understood this premise of having to spend hours on the AH. I have 3 pieces of bought AH gear (all blue items with just dex / vita or so) and the rest I've found, including my over 1k dps crossbow, and I'm able to very near faceroll act 1. Acts 2 + requires me to switch up my skills a bit, but it in no way is impossible. And this I've done with probably having spent a cumulative 1 hour on the AH since launch.
OPs problem is probably badly chosen gear, skills or a combination of both. He should be able to move out of the fire since he's played WoW aftera ll..
OPs problem is probably badly chosen gear, skills or a combination of both. He should be able to move out of the fire since he's played WoW aftera ll..
I play a tank wiz i laugh at fire.
Im just gonna farm Act 1 with 5 stacks because that gives me 282% MF 10 hours a day every day until I have the gear to go straight to farming Act 3. Eventually I have to get good drops as long as I play so much I just get 100s of rares a day. Eventually one of them will be that 1k DPS 900 life on hit with crit and a socket weapon that I can sell for 100 mil and buy gear that lets me farm Act 3.
Also how did people like Kripp even start facerolling Act like 2 weeks into the game and its been 2 months and I can only faceroll Act 1? Theres nothing wrong with my build and I think my gear is decent. Im using the standard tank wiz build except instead teleport or slow time I use Spectral Blades because otherwise I couldnt ever kill goblins. My stats are 30k DPS, 26k HP, 500 all resists, 30% crit chance, and 100% crit damage. Also have 19 AP return on crit.
Also how did people like Kripp even start facerolling Act like 2 weeks into the game and its been 2 months and I can only faceroll Act 1? Theres nothing wrong with my build and I think my gear is decent. Im using the standard tank wiz build except instead teleport or slow time I use Spectral Blades because otherwise I couldnt ever kill goblins. My stats are 30k DPS, 26k HP, 500 all resists, 30% crit chance, and 100% crit damage. Also have 19 AP return on crit.
Well, until we can take a look at your gear and stats we probably won't be able to determine what's making it so hard for you to progress. Sometimes, things as simple as your weapon attackspeed can make a huge difference in your survivability.
The crit Wizard is quite an APM intensive build imho, you have to keep track of who you're hitting, keep spamming your spells on the right places so they can keep stealing life and critting, and keep spamming your Diamond Skin button. It's easy to slip while controlling it (or just have a lag spike) and have all your survivability go out of the window.
If you are really looking for help, you gotta give us an idea of what could be wrong with your skill or item build.
That is another great example of how much you can do with sheer "execution skills" (and very crappy gear). Granted, some of those tricks are DH exclusive, but it goes to show how far you can go with good control of your character.
You will be better served to spend 4 hours in the AH and 1 in the game if you really want to see your gear improve.
This is a game where you are supposed to kill stuff and farm to get your loot. Im not wasting my time staring at the AH for a few hours. What the hell fun is that. This is called Diablo 3 not Auction House Online. Not to mention I dont even know what im looking for and without running a bot it would take forever to scan the AH all day long. Yea that sounds like fun.
Notice, I never said that was enjoyable. I never would have bought the game if I thought that was going to be the best way to "get ahead". But the fact remains, it is the best way. If you do not do it this way, then expect to play the game as Blizz intended and each Inferno Act will take months to gear for.
Skill of the game is about understanding market trends, skill effectiveness, what desirables items are, and how to apply these things into what is very limited play styles. The game requires a lot of skill, but not the conventional skill of "technique" games including other MMO's.
Skill of the game is about understanding market trends, skill effectiveness, what desirables items are, and how to apply these things into what is very limited play styles. The game requires a lot of skill, but not the conventional skill of "technique" games including other MMO's.
The techniques of reading Elitist Jerk forums to min-max? Using cookie-cutter specs and being like every other person playing the same class? The only difference between raiders in MMOs is their gear. If they have equal gear, their numbers are close to the same. A gap in skill with similar gear will not yield thousands of more dps, assuming that the lesser person in comparison isn't a keyboard turner and clicker, of course.
Sigh... I'm about done with this forum and this is my second post.
I read a post, and move on to the replies, only to find people calling the original author names.
Blizzard makes great games, and for some reason attracts the most immature players I've ever seen.
I totally understand where you are coming from. I came here recently and the status quo (from a couple of notably frequent posters here) is to toss insults with no actual reasoned logic at anyone who disagrees. If you attempt to counter any comment, you receive personal attacks instead of logical debate. Opinions are the defacto "support" for most of the flaming/baiting.
If anyone feels like someone is making personal attacks or trolling feel free to report it and I will handle it as soon as I see the report if it's still open. The last thing I want is people feeling unwelcome because a group of members can't discuss things in a nice civil manner.
I find it extremely annoying that people would be under the assumption that if you've progressed as far as Act2 or 3 INFERNO (the 4th level of difficulty, mind you) that you still need to "learn how to play."
That's just utter nonsense.
The game is broken in that it assumes that you need help from other users (the AH, trading, etc..) to progress. The Diablo series has always been about hack n' slash, item finding goodness - and you could do it all on your own if you pleased. Sure it might take you longer but you could find some pretty decent items. Up until D3, where you can play 103840318413 hrs and still find nothing useful for your level.
I find it laughable that people think you should have to go read some "spec build" or "spreadsheet" to progress in this game. That mindset will turn anyone off. Choke points? Yes, because for every difficult mob I really want to find a small doorway to kill them off one at a time..so THAT's what this game was made into.. no thanks.
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So your assuming skill doesn't matter based off you apparently having no skill because you cant even beat act 2? <boggle>
Wizards and DHs and WHs have beat Diablo Inferno with sub 40k damage simply because they are ranged classes and know how to avoid AoE and how to kite well. I have seen Monks and Barbs kill Diablo Inferno with sub 20k DPS and just massive tanking builds. You say the most gold you have ever had was 15 million? With 15 million gold and good knowledge of how you should be gearing your character there is no excuse for not being able to clear to and kill Inferno Diablo as melee.
And comparing D3 "skill" to MMORPGs is silly. They are not the same type of games. You cannot be carried in Diablo 3 like you can be in an MMORPG. D3 is more action oriented than all the MMORPGS you named. In D3 you cannot stand in an environmental for even a second without causing your own death because there is no one their to save your ass with a clutch heal. Also, saying you raided hardcore in EQ as a comparison to having skill is kinda like shooting yourself in the foot.
This is a game where you are supposed to kill stuff and farm to get your loot. Im not wasting my time staring at the AH for a few hours. What the hell fun is that. This is called Diablo 3 not Auction House Online. Not to mention I dont even know what im looking for and without running a bot it would take forever to scan the AH all day long. Yea that sounds like fun.
That's how it is in every game where power follows a linear path with gear.
The only way to avoid this is to have Power = level and items be cosmetic only. Which would be against the spirit of the franchise.
Plus then you've only traded Gear > Content for Level > Content. =\
This is a good median; You need skill to be able to beat champ packs when you start inferno, and you need even more skill (for more dangerous mob types) plus gear to kill champ packs in later acts.
Not sure what the problem is, besides you're probably used to diablo 2 where you outlevel the content so much it never mattered with gear, which as stated above made it ridiculously easy, and therefore pretty boring.
I agree I've never understood this premise of having to spend hours on the AH. I have 3 pieces of bought AH gear (all blue items with just dex / vita or so) and the rest I've found, including my over 1k dps crossbow, and I'm able to very near faceroll act 1. Acts 2 + requires me to switch up my skills a bit, but it in no way is impossible. And this I've done with probably having spent a cumulative 1 hour on the AH since launch.
I play a tank wiz i laugh at fire.
Im just gonna farm Act 1 with 5 stacks because that gives me 282% MF 10 hours a day every day until I have the gear to go straight to farming Act 3. Eventually I have to get good drops as long as I play so much I just get 100s of rares a day. Eventually one of them will be that 1k DPS 900 life on hit with crit and a socket weapon that I can sell for 100 mil and buy gear that lets me farm Act 3.
Also how did people like Kripp even start facerolling Act like 2 weeks into the game and its been 2 months and I can only faceroll Act 1? Theres nothing wrong with my build and I think my gear is decent. Im using the standard tank wiz build except instead teleport or slow time I use Spectral Blades because otherwise I couldnt ever kill goblins. My stats are 30k DPS, 26k HP, 500 all resists, 30% crit chance, and 100% crit damage. Also have 19 AP return on crit.
The crit Wizard is quite an APM intensive build imho, you have to keep track of who you're hitting, keep spamming your spells on the right places so they can keep stealing life and critting, and keep spamming your Diamond Skin button. It's easy to slip while controlling it (or just have a lag spike) and have all your survivability go out of the window.
If you are really looking for help, you gotta give us an idea of what could be wrong with your skill or item build.
That is another great example of how much you can do with sheer "execution skills" (and very crappy gear). Granted, some of those tricks are DH exclusive, but it goes to show how far you can go with good control of your character.
Notice, I never said that was enjoyable. I never would have bought the game if I thought that was going to be the best way to "get ahead". But the fact remains, it is the best way. If you do not do it this way, then expect to play the game as Blizz intended and each Inferno Act will take months to gear for.
The techniques of reading Elitist Jerk forums to min-max? Using cookie-cutter specs and being like every other person playing the same class? The only difference between raiders in MMOs is their gear. If they have equal gear, their numbers are close to the same. A gap in skill with similar gear will not yield thousands of more dps, assuming that the lesser person in comparison isn't a keyboard turner and clicker, of course.
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I read a post, and move on to the replies, only to find people calling the original author names.
Blizzard makes great games, and for some reason attracts the most immature players I've ever seen.
I totally understand where you are coming from. I came here recently and the status quo (from a couple of notably frequent posters here) is to toss insults with no actual reasoned logic at anyone who disagrees. If you attempt to counter any comment, you receive personal attacks instead of logical debate. Opinions are the defacto "support" for most of the flaming/baiting.
That's just utter nonsense.
The game is broken in that it assumes that you need help from other users (the AH, trading, etc..) to progress. The Diablo series has always been about hack n' slash, item finding goodness - and you could do it all on your own if you pleased. Sure it might take you longer but you could find some pretty decent items. Up until D3, where you can play 103840318413 hrs and still find nothing useful for your level.
I find it laughable that people think you should have to go read some "spec build" or "spreadsheet" to progress in this game. That mindset will turn anyone off. Choke points? Yes, because for every difficult mob I really want to find a small doorway to kill them off one at a time..so THAT's what this game was made into.. no thanks.