Im still trying to figure this one out. This is the first game I have ever played where skill didnt matter a damn bit. I have been playing at least 4-5 hours a day since launch and I still cant even farm Act 2. Im am in Act 3 but I havent even beaten the first quest yet so farming that is certainly out of the question. I have leveled every character to 60 and nto Inferno except a Demon Hunter just to be sure maybe I was playing the wrong class. But no matter what cant farm Act 2 or progress through Act 3. I know Act 1 yields better resuts but thats not my point.
I have been playing MMOs since Ultima Online. I raiding high end content in Everquest with my Monk for 8 years and was always during current expansion raids never back-raiding. I raided HMs in WoW with my Lock during Wrath and Cata. I also cleared through Sunwell on my Lock during TBC. I raided Hammerknell and was 8/11 before I quit Rift. I know this isnt a problem with me. I might not be the best gamer with an awesome stream with 100s of viewers but I am decent enough to progress through the hardest content in any game I have ever installed on my PC.
So what the hell makes me so bad at this game? I see people with 30-40k DPS using a shield and a defensive build on monks and barbs. My monk using a shield had like 14k DPS. I see people with 80 million in gear and another 20-30 mil in gold. The most gold I have ever had was 15 mil. Every item I farm and ID is total garbage. I know more 63s drop in Act 3 but unless I take out a loan for the RMAH I will never be able to farm Act 3. Im not trying to hate on those people but I dont understand how they are facerolling Act 3 when I have been playing just as much as they have. There have been days where I have farmed for 8-10 hours and gotten 1 item worth posting on the AH. Not to mention I have never sold anything for more than 2 million. Also when I farm Act 1 with Templar and 5 stacks my MF is at 282 so Im doing my best to increase my chances of getting drops
Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong? I really would like to be able to farm Act 3 by Christmas.
Skill definitely does matter. If your skilled enough you don't need the high end gear a person with less skill may need. You can do some vary crafty gameplay. Just get better.
I have been playing at least 4-5 hours a day since launch and I still cant even farm Act 2.
This game takes skill.
There are so many instances of strategy, technique and quick thinking......all suggestive of skill
I have been playing MMOs since Ultima Online.
So what the hell makes me so bad at this game?
D3 isn't an MMO. I think we have our first clue.
It is my opinion that any core-fan of D2 had little trouble acclimating to D3, grabbing it by the balls and twisting.
My monk using a shield had like 14k DPS.
Real monks don't use shields.
Sir, you need a good build is my bet. You also need to farm the shit out of act1 and hope the RNG gives you some love.
The RMAH is NOT needed to quickly go from having your ass handed to you, to safely farming act3.
Read the Monk forums on this website and keep asking questions. If you would like some in-game pointers, please feel free to PM me here and we can hook up. I'll do my best to show you how to kung-fu the shit out of act 2-3 with your Monk.
Also, get rid of that cock-blocking templar. Get the scoundrel for the extra 3% CC
First of all I think skill does matter in the game. Why is it that people like kripp or zrave (my barb role models) can make budget barbs with less than a million and still be able to clear inferno. Im pretty sure most people with that exact same gear wouldn't be able to do that. Learning how to kite, use of choke points, corridors etc are part of the skill part of the game.
There is also 'skill' in using the AH. I'm quite sure there are numerous items that you could have sold on the AH that you are overlooking perhaps. Also, there are ways to buy items at good deals to reap the maximum benefits with the gold you spend. E.g. some people would buy the first upgrade they see with 1mil that was decent. A better player would search harder and find something with maximum benefits using a spreadsheet for example. This min maxing is something which helps a lot.
I play barb and pre nerf, i was snb barb with about 14k dps farming act2 (very slowly and horribly). After reading up on crit gear, I got to about 40k dps with about 1mil per item slot. This is from farming act2 only. Its not until I switched to ww tornardo build that I can now farm act3. I run through only picking up rares. I find that this is much more time efficient than picking up everything.
Research your class as I have had and you will be able to farm act3 soon. Btw I've played 170hrs on barb so its not a ridiculous amount of time required to hit act3 on farm.
There is also 'skill' in using the AH. I'm quite sure there are numerous items that you could have sold on the AH that you are overlooking perhaps. Also, there are ways to buy items at good deals to reap the maximum benefits with the gold you spend. E.g. some people would buy the first upgrade they see with 1mil that was decent. A better player would search harder and find something with maximum benefits using a spreadsheet for example. This min maxing is something which helps a lot.
Check out Kripp's budget barb videos. With enough skill, you can beat all of inferno with a set of gear costing less than 1 million, under 10k dps, and only somewhat decent defensive stats.
I understand the point you were trying to make with your post OP, but it really comes across more as bragging of all of your MMO accomplishments than anything else.
As for the people with expensive gear, lots of gold, high dps, etc., many farmed gold using the royal crypts or damp cellar before it got nerfed (back when non-boss purple enemies had decent droprates damp cellar was amazing, huge gold/hour plus chances for some awesome gear drops). many got lucky and got a good item early on which was able to either carry them into later acts, or sell for huge chunk of gold they could use to get good enough gear to get them into later acts.
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To be honest, you can do HMs in WOW and still be a bad player, so yeah, unfourtanetly that doesn't mean much. And even if you're "good" in wow, it doesn't mean you're going to be "good" in diablo 3.
Having said that, you've definetly played a considerable ammount of hours, and you SHOULD be able to farm act 3. I farmed act 3 with my witchdoctor pre-IAs nerf (had around 24k dps at the time, siegebreaker runs), and I still am (with my wizard). It took some time adapting though, perhaps you've leveled too many characters and have not concentrated on mastering one of them first (?). I am by no means an extremely skilled player, like the kind that get worlds first, or win championships in SC2 :P, so I modify talents and whatnot precisely because I know I'm going to screw up kiting at some point. People have to realize that following "popular" builds to the letter isn't always the right answer, and that what really makes the game alot easier is using your sorroundings to your advantage.
Unfourtanetly I don't know the first thing about monks, or i'd offer advice. I do recommend watching some youtube videos from "Tryhardemnity", he has some good monk videos, and at the very least you might get an idea of what you're doing wrong.
Yes I know there are budget builds for 1-2 mil out there. That will let you skip most elite packs and let you kill bosses to progress. I want to farm Act 3 not just run through it, beat Azmodan and head off the Act 4. How can skill be involved in a game thats basically the same thing as gas station scratch cards. I can farm 100 level 63 items and only find 3 that I can sell for maybe 1 mil total while someone else gets only 10 items during a run and sells 3 for 10+ mil gold each So does that mean hes more skilled than I am?
You're wrong buddy. This game needs a lot of skill. Trading skill that is.
Using the ah you can make a lot of gold and buy high-end equipment with little gold.
This game is Econ 101 if you want to be ahead of the curve.
There are multiple things like hit detection that distinctly show that there is no real skill. Yes there are some strategies that can help some, but even those are highly dependant on the mobs not having key affixes. As someone mentioned with choke points, those are great...until a molten/vortex/frozen/plague/knockback ruin all your positioning. The only real difficulty in the game is not standing in fire.
There are strats like constantly adjusting on fire chains mobs to not get surrounded, etc. Those are pretty obvious and I'm sure you've picked up on that kind of thing.
It is a true gear check game. In D2, you could complete the game with mediocre gear. From there, you constantly went for the godly gear that you rarely found but you frequently found gear just a little better than what you had making farming easier and easier. To me, that was a MUCH more rewarding system. I prefer ID'ing gear to buying it. In fact, buying gear, even on the GAH just feels like cheating. Unfortunately, that is exactly the way the game was designed. You are expected to buy your gear.
Now, I believe the design intent, which is backed up by a number of interviews and blue posts, was to be more WoW progression oriented and paced. I believe nobody was "supposed" to clear Act 1 Inferno for like 3 months, then 3 months per Act thereafter. This progression curve was destroyed by bots/exploits/bugs(Nether Tentacles-Smoke Screen-Force Armor-etc)/rmah/etc.
Players like Kripp talk a good show of it but he received a LOT of welfare gear from fans etc.
I think that you are spot on in your last comments. Lots of people upgraded gear via AHs with buy low/sell high and not even killing mobs. A lot skipped most mobs and farmed pots/gobs/etc. A lot manually did the things a bot would do. A lot botted. A lot RMAH'd. Basically, it sounds like you are similar to me and will not do what a lot of players have to get to that point. Just look at the outcry when the nerfed drops from pots and the Dank runs?
The lottery like aspect of the gear is a big part of what made D2 so popular. Games by big developers are designed to have psychological rewards systems to keep you coming back to play more. In D2, you could find something just a little better pretty frequently (maybe 6-12 hours of play?). The really godly gear was extremely rare giving you a very long term goals as well. With the way they tried to implement "difficulty" in D3, you can really only use gear with very specific stat distributions. With the layers of rng on how the stats are given to the gear, your individual odds of id'ing something worth-while are the lottery and they are counting on x million players putting in x million hours at x drops per hour to make the AHs the place to go for gear. This isn't even for "godly" gear, this is just for Inferno gear. This is partly to "balance" the economy and partly because of all the bravado talk before release about how "hard" Inferno would be.
I don't think you should have a problem clearing the game, now farming is a different story yes kripp cleared the game with a less than a mil barb but you could not farm crap with that barb. His current barb has over a billion gear and it was not until he had spend over 200+ mil that he doped his solo ACT 3 runs under 1h. I would recommend going to the Monk forums and look up specific gear you need, also pray for luck and getting something that can sell for 10+ mil to get your gear started.
There are different types of skills required to play a game.
Diablo 3 has 2 faces. The action part of it, on which is important executing your skill combinations properly while keeping in mind the positioning and timing of both you and your enemies. Then there's the rpg aspect of it, which would be (imho) knowing how to gauge which stats are better than others, and be able to set combinations of items/stats/skills that can both keep you alive and allow you to kill your enemies.
These "budget guides" (I think Kripparian made one on the whirlwind Barbarian, and we also had a Monk with very low budget clear Act 2) are very interesting places to learn very reliable builds and stats to get by what you might consider a brickwall in the game.
I went through acts 1-4 on inferno without upgrading my gear more than once or twice. Skill is what allowed me to get through the game when everything could 1-shot me.
Gear is important, yes, but so is skill. Requiring a healthy mix is a good thing.
my girlfriend was a successful high end WoW raider, playing a priest.
she can't beat Hell in Diablo 3.
you tell me?
i never used RMAH, had shit luck for drops up until a few weeks ago, and downed inferno Diablo on my barb almost two weeks before 1.0.3. (when it was hard to do it on a barb)
you're doing something wrong.
i don't believe it takes a lot of skill, but it does take some.
IMO, taking 5 games...
Starcraft > Battlefield 3 > Diablo 3 > WoW > Sims
In order of skill required. Diablo 3 is in the middle of the road.
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I have been playing MMOs since Ultima Online. I raiding high end content in Everquest with my Monk for 8 years and was always during current expansion raids never back-raiding. I raided HMs in WoW with my Lock during Wrath and Cata. I also cleared through Sunwell on my Lock during TBC. I raided Hammerknell and was 8/11 before I quit Rift. I know this isnt a problem with me. I might not be the best gamer with an awesome stream with 100s of viewers but I am decent enough to progress through the hardest content in any game I have ever installed on my PC.
So what the hell makes me so bad at this game? I see people with 30-40k DPS using a shield and a defensive build on monks and barbs. My monk using a shield had like 14k DPS. I see people with 80 million in gear and another 20-30 mil in gold. The most gold I have ever had was 15 mil. Every item I farm and ID is total garbage. I know more 63s drop in Act 3 but unless I take out a loan for the RMAH I will never be able to farm Act 3. Im not trying to hate on those people but I dont understand how they are facerolling Act 3 when I have been playing just as much as they have. There have been days where I have farmed for 8-10 hours and gotten 1 item worth posting on the AH. Not to mention I have never sold anything for more than 2 million. Also when I farm Act 1 with Templar and 5 stacks my MF is at 282 so Im doing my best to increase my chances of getting drops
Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong? I really would like to be able to farm Act 3 by Christmas.
U should try to redo your skillbuild, u might be lacking of of something important.
This game takes skill.
There are so many instances of strategy, technique and quick thinking......all suggestive of skill
D3 isn't an MMO. I think we have our first clue.
It is my opinion that any core-fan of D2 had little trouble acclimating to D3, grabbing it by the balls and twisting.
Real monks don't use shields.
Sir, you need a good build is my bet. You also need to farm the shit out of act1 and hope the RNG gives you some love.
The RMAH is NOT needed to quickly go from having your ass handed to you, to safely farming act3.
Read the Monk forums on this website and keep asking questions. If you would like some in-game pointers, please feel free to PM me here and we can hook up. I'll do my best to show you how to kung-fu the shit out of act 2-3 with your Monk.
Also, get rid of that cock-blocking templar. Get the scoundrel for the extra 3% CC
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There is also 'skill' in using the AH. I'm quite sure there are numerous items that you could have sold on the AH that you are overlooking perhaps. Also, there are ways to buy items at good deals to reap the maximum benefits with the gold you spend. E.g. some people would buy the first upgrade they see with 1mil that was decent. A better player would search harder and find something with maximum benefits using a spreadsheet for example. This min maxing is something which helps a lot.
I play barb and pre nerf, i was snb barb with about 14k dps farming act2 (very slowly and horribly). After reading up on crit gear, I got to about 40k dps with about 1mil per item slot. This is from farming act2 only. Its not until I switched to ww tornardo build that I can now farm act3. I run through only picking up rares. I find that this is much more time efficient than picking up everything.
Research your class as I have had and you will be able to farm act3 soon. Btw I've played 170hrs on barb so its not a ridiculous amount of time required to hit act3 on farm.
But remember this is a gear based game and the level of your gear determines the level of difficulty.
^this x10000
I understand the point you were trying to make with your post OP, but it really comes across more as bragging of all of your MMO accomplishments than anything else.
As for the people with expensive gear, lots of gold, high dps, etc., many farmed gold using the royal crypts or damp cellar before it got nerfed (back when non-boss purple enemies had decent droprates damp cellar was amazing, huge gold/hour plus chances for some awesome gear drops). many got lucky and got a good item early on which was able to either carry them into later acts, or sell for huge chunk of gold they could use to get good enough gear to get them into later acts.
'Cause I'm the type of nerd that will bust your jaw.
Having said that, you've definetly played a considerable ammount of hours, and you SHOULD be able to farm act 3. I farmed act 3 with my witchdoctor pre-IAs nerf (had around 24k dps at the time, siegebreaker runs), and I still am (with my wizard). It took some time adapting though, perhaps you've leveled too many characters and have not concentrated on mastering one of them first (?). I am by no means an extremely skilled player, like the kind that get worlds first, or win championships in SC2 :P, so I modify talents and whatnot precisely because I know I'm going to screw up kiting at some point. People have to realize that following "popular" builds to the letter isn't always the right answer, and that what really makes the game alot easier is using your sorroundings to your advantage.
Unfourtanetly I don't know the first thing about monks, or i'd offer advice. I do recommend watching some youtube videos from "Tryhardemnity", he has some good monk videos, and at the very least you might get an idea of what you're doing wrong.
Using the ah you can make a lot of gold and buy high-end equipment with little gold.
There are multiple things like hit detection that distinctly show that there is no real skill. Yes there are some strategies that can help some, but even those are highly dependant on the mobs not having key affixes. As someone mentioned with choke points, those are great...until a molten/vortex/frozen/plague/knockback ruin all your positioning. The only real difficulty in the game is not standing in fire.
There are strats like constantly adjusting on fire chains mobs to not get surrounded, etc. Those are pretty obvious and I'm sure you've picked up on that kind of thing.
It is a true gear check game. In D2, you could complete the game with mediocre gear. From there, you constantly went for the godly gear that you rarely found but you frequently found gear just a little better than what you had making farming easier and easier. To me, that was a MUCH more rewarding system. I prefer ID'ing gear to buying it. In fact, buying gear, even on the GAH just feels like cheating. Unfortunately, that is exactly the way the game was designed. You are expected to buy your gear.
Now, I believe the design intent, which is backed up by a number of interviews and blue posts, was to be more WoW progression oriented and paced. I believe nobody was "supposed" to clear Act 1 Inferno for like 3 months, then 3 months per Act thereafter. This progression curve was destroyed by bots/exploits/bugs(Nether Tentacles-Smoke Screen-Force Armor-etc)/rmah/etc.
Players like Kripp talk a good show of it but he received a LOT of welfare gear from fans etc.
I think that you are spot on in your last comments. Lots of people upgraded gear via AHs with buy low/sell high and not even killing mobs. A lot skipped most mobs and farmed pots/gobs/etc. A lot manually did the things a bot would do. A lot botted. A lot RMAH'd. Basically, it sounds like you are similar to me and will not do what a lot of players have to get to that point. Just look at the outcry when the nerfed drops from pots and the Dank runs?
The lottery like aspect of the gear is a big part of what made D2 so popular. Games by big developers are designed to have psychological rewards systems to keep you coming back to play more. In D2, you could find something just a little better pretty frequently (maybe 6-12 hours of play?). The really godly gear was extremely rare giving you a very long term goals as well. With the way they tried to implement "difficulty" in D3, you can really only use gear with very specific stat distributions. With the layers of rng on how the stats are given to the gear, your individual odds of id'ing something worth-while are the lottery and they are counting on x million players putting in x million hours at x drops per hour to make the AHs the place to go for gear. This isn't even for "godly" gear, this is just for Inferno gear. This is partly to "balance" the economy and partly because of all the bravado talk before release about how "hard" Inferno would be.
Sounded to me like you have no skill....
Diablo 3 has 2 faces. The action part of it, on which is important executing your skill combinations properly while keeping in mind the positioning and timing of both you and your enemies. Then there's the rpg aspect of it, which would be (imho) knowing how to gauge which stats are better than others, and be able to set combinations of items/stats/skills that can both keep you alive and allow you to kill your enemies.
http://www.diablofans.com/topic/63203-witch-doctor-inferno-diablo-one-million-gold/ this is an interesting thread that has a video which shows some decent execution skills paired with solid "build" and game knowledge (in spite of how "easy" some might say the last boss is)
These "budget guides" (I think Kripparian made one on the whirlwind Barbarian, and we also had a Monk with very low budget clear Act 2) are very interesting places to learn very reliable builds and stats to get by what you might consider a brickwall in the game.
Gear is important, yes, but so is skill. Requiring a healthy mix is a good thing.
she can't beat Hell in Diablo 3.
you tell me?
i never used RMAH, had shit luck for drops up until a few weeks ago, and downed inferno Diablo on my barb almost two weeks before 1.0.3. (when it was hard to do it on a barb)
you're doing something wrong.
i don't believe it takes a lot of skill, but it does take some.
IMO, taking 5 games...
Starcraft > Battlefield 3 > Diablo 3 > WoW > Sims
In order of skill required. Diablo 3 is in the middle of the road.