Blizzard is banning people from the D3 forums left and right now. I'm sure you will notice a change in the tone there, with some more positive topics and less negative comments. That would be because they have taken to banning people for disagreeing with positive comments or posting negative comments. This is a big change. Blizzards bans used to be pretty reasonable. Dissent was allowed, even strongly worded dissent. Now they are slapping the label "trolling" on posters who say things they don't want to hear.
This is, of course, their right. Nonetheless, I think it speaks to the level of confidence they have in Diablo 3 that they would go this far to shut their critics down. And it disappoints me. I am all for banning people for abusive language or actual trolling, but that isn't what they are doing now. Pro D3 people can be as insulting and demeaning as they like. Those who criticize the game are banned for much less.
I realize that some of you will be glad this is happening. My POV, however, is that I want to hear from everyone whether I agree with them or not. If Blizzard didn't want a lot of criticism, they should have made a better game. Trying to shut people up just makes things worse, in my estimation.
AND . . .I wonder where the impetus to do this comes from.
Have fun with the game if you still can, peeps. I wish you all the best.
I will have plenty of fun, watching people get banned due to them not posting constructively on the blizzard forums which does not help them fix any of the issues, majority are nerd raging.
It's about time they started cleaning house. The people on their forums have been some of the worst "community" I've seen anywhere, latching onto anything and everything to try to slander whoever they can at Blizzard. Maybe after a few thousand bans it'll be safe to actually read the d3 forums again without fearing for my sanity....
Those who criticize the game are banned for much less.
Are you joking? The people who are banned are the ones who offer nothing to the conversation but complaints. The forums are there for discussion, not whining. The guys who just says everything sucks deserves to be banned, if he can't even offer an opinion on what could be done to improve the situation.
I am all for them banning the worst of the community, by which I mean the people who are genuinely trolling. But, unlike you, I don't enjoy conversation where agreement with the party line is mandated.
Freedom is messy and annoying, but I prefer it to the alternative. Yeah, even on a game forum.
muneraven, i guess you missed the two posts stating that they don't just ban people speaking badly about the game... They ban the people who speak badly and fail to provide any constructiveness... There is NO reason at all for people to just post going "X is bad, because of Y and Z fails to blizz pick up your game and fix F"
Should be "X is bad, maybe if you did this... Y is failing hard because of the way F is working *linkpost* has a good idea for fixing it"
The official forums are not free... there are guidelines...there are rules... The majority of negative posts are in no way following those guidelines..which flat out state "got a problem tell us in a polite, constructive way and if possible suggest a fix"....
Not "bitch and moan till your panties untwist from your ass crack and you can breath right"...no that forums would be not anywhere that i know of...im sure there is a bitch fest forums some where, and you should track it down and join that community that thinks they are oppressed for not being allowed to bitch and moan endlessly without offering the slightest ounce of constructive critique...
And no i do not mean "This game fucking sucks omg it is so lame and piece of shit, blizz is all bout money and RMAH they dont care about their players!!"...that is not constructive, it is not critique, it is not polite...
"Hey blizz, I have been bashing my head against the wall trying to down Belial in Act 2 inferno, the enrage timer on it just seems to short for a tanky build Barb like me, is there any way to change enrage timers to not be so punishing if you are not epic geared?"....that is an example of constructive critique... pointing out a complaint, addressing a possible alteration and no where was there insulting, whining, or bitching required....
The problem isn't the criticism. That's cool and highly useful to them. It's how the criticism is presented: most of the time, it's surrounded by a torrent of insults towards Blizzard, the fans, and pretty much anyone who doesn't fit into their own narrow view of the world. Consider the two following examples:
1. I feel like Monks are too weak atm. Skill X could probably do with being buffed: my suggestion for improving it is Y.
2. WTF Blizz, Monks are so underpowered! Did you even test this game or did you sit around with your thumbs up your asses all day long?! Skill X is so weak OMG, it's shit! Stop playing Demon Hunters and FIX YOUR GAME!!!
I'm sure anyone can see that the first example is the preferred option, and still gets the message across. There is never any need for the language in the second option, and that's what gets people banned. If everyone posted in a similar manner to the first option we'd have a far more interesting and insightful discussion on the state of the game, while still being allowed to voice negative opinions. Sadly, everyone decides to post like the second option, so... we don't.
Blizzard is banning people from the D3 forums left and right now. I'm sure you will notice a change in the tone there, with some more positive topics and less negative comments.
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You ....uhhhhh, you get the correlation there, don't you?
Losers have trolled that place into the fucking ground. They talk about how much they hate the game and then proceed to play it for another 14 hour stretch.
I realize that some of you will be glad this is happening. My POV, however, is that I want to hear from everyone whether I agree with them or not.
It's not what they're saying, it's how they say it. We're talking about hundreds of asshole children that think they can say whatever they want, they feel all tough-guy for leaving a flaming shit post and then they get all bent out of shape when consequences are handed down.
Blizzard is banning people from the D3 forums left and right now. I'm sure you will notice a change in the tone there, with some more positive topics and less negative comments.
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You ....uhhhhh, you get the correlation there, don't you?
Losers have trolled that place into the fucking ground. They talk about how much they hate the game and then proceed to play it for another 14 hour stretch.
I realize that some of you will be glad this is happening. My POV, however, is that I want to hear from everyone whether I agree with them or not.
It's not what they're saying, it's how they say it. We're talking about hundreds of asshole children that think they can say whatever they want, they feel all tough-guy for leaving a flaming shit post and then they get all bent out of shape when consequences are handed down.
Exactly. The same idiots who get suspended because of a teacher and then try to sue him for sexual harassment. We (the community) lose nothing when those kind of people are banned.
Maybe I'll be able to post on the official Diablo III forum in the future. Up until now it's been a cesspool of retardation. I'm glad that they are now banning the people that offer nothing constructive and simply bitch for the sake of bitching.
For months now, we have been seeing posts on here like "I got banned from the official forums for criticiszing the game!"
Then the post turns out to be something like "You fan boys don't know s&$%. This game f$%#ing SUCKS!!!!! The drop rate is sh*$ because they want everyone to use the RMAH! I wish Jay Wison would cut off his own head and beat Bashionk to death with it! Thanks Blizzard for this giant turd you call D3. Thank you very f&&%ing much!!!!" Then they are shocked they are banned.
The official forums are a place for Blizzard to interact with the community. They seem to want constructive feedback. Polite, original posts that offer serious criticism are all still on the site. Serious in depth criticism is a lot more damaging than someone just screaming a bunch of random obsenities and making vague statements about the quality of the game. Yet, they allow serious criticism to stand. It's not some conspiracy. It is just that they want a forum with a constructive tone, and they don't want to have to dig through pages of people screaming the same vague statements over and over again in heated tones.
If you have something constructive and detailed to say, you'll be fine. If you are going form thread to thread, cluttering things up with insults, antagonizing people and offering nothing original, you might eventually get banned. Seems alright to me. They have let people get away with far too much already. A majority of the posts have been repetitive, mean, and more or less useless.
Those forums are a freaking mess, sometimes absolute freedom is bad, and that's when we start seeing some anarchy. We have rules and limits for a reason.
People asking for developers to be fired, people saying the whole game is a failure (when it clearly isn't the whole game), people simply flaming one another, and trolling in condescending tone. So much ignorance gathered up in one place, no wonder a lot of people downlook at gamers.
We are supposed to be civilized. When human beings forget that they're humans and start behaving like territorial non-thinking animals, other humans gotta step in and remember them why we shouldn't behave like that.
That would be because they have taken to banning people for disagreeing with positive comments or posting negative comments.
This is such a grossly misleading statement, that I don't even know where to begin. Blizzard is deleting posts, and suspending accounts from posting on the forums, because people are posting things that are against the rules. As long as you calmly disagree with someone, and act like an adult about it, you won't get in trouble.
Instead, people are throwing insults left and right, and really going out of their way to be as nasty as possible. Those are the posts that Blizzard censors, because they are completely useless. The official forums are a cesspool and a complete mess, but not because of Blizzard censoring them.
Remember too, it's a private forum, Blizzard can run it however they want. Millions of people own Diablo 3, and want to give their input on what they think of the game. If you're calling everyone a faggot fat bitch non-stop, you're just making it so no one else can use the forums. They aren't your personal soap box, and place to throw a tantrum because Blizzard can't or won't bend over for you right this instant, and create the exact game you wanted.
Act like an adult, and Blizzard will treat you like one. I've disagreed with a lot of people, and my account has never been suspended.
Oh God. Why Blizzard? Why so slow? That would've been the first thing I do once I made the game playable.
I would just ban every single one of the trolls. Do you even know how it looked like 1-2 weeks after release? People cursing the families of Blizzard, middle finger and goatee ascii and the words "fuck" and "shit" copied and pasted hundreds of thousands of time in a single post that goes on for at least 40 screens. You can bet your ass I would've IP banned all of those people.
It's absolutely in favor of Blizzard and their community to ban all of them. News sites the world over have only one source they can think of (due to limited IQ) they can go and see how things are with the game and the forums are so troll- and flame-infested that it simply HURTS me to see how bad things are.
The few constructive posts that have arisen get almost no comments in their topics. Mainly because you can't even find them. I mean, how limited must your knowledge of how things are needs to be? If there is a topic with "Error 37" perhaps, just perhaps, you don't need to create another one. Yet there are hundreds. There was nothing useful in the first 20 pages of Tech Support during the first weeks. And if Blizz responded the thread got buried with great haste, pushed away by the "THIS GAME FUCKIN SUX" and "BLIZZARD YOU'RE A HUGE FAILURE".
I don't mind people being angry, but I mind people being angry with curse words, offering nothing to help their own situation and being incredibly impatient about anything at all.
Rolling restarts? The game will make me leave for 1 minute and make me create a new game? I better go to the forums and create 5 topics about how I've payed to play this game. Oh what's that? The restarts include a hotfix for that bug I've already created 10 topics about? Well it came too late. I'll make 5 more topics now.
All of the above has no pressure on me being a mod on this community, as some might suggest after I post this. And that has a very simple explanation. The people on Dfans are smart and constructive. We have huge topics with great discussions I enjoy reading for hours. To be quite frank I'm honored to be among this community and that it has managed to stay positive and level-headed during these somewhat hard times of the first month of release. Thank you.
I would just ban every single one of the trolls. Do you even know how it looked like 1-2 weeks after release? People cursing the families of Blizzard, middle finger and goatee ascii and the words "fuck" and "shit" copied and pasted hundreds of thousands of time in a single post that goes on for at least 40 screens. You can bet your ass I would've IP banned all of those people.
If by IP ban you mean a forum IP ban, then I agree with you. I think it's a very good decision of Blizzard to keep forum/ingame suspensions/bans seperate. I also agree with everything else, even though I find it funny that a lot of people can be so bitter and angry at something, it gets boring after a while.
Well of course a forum ban. Why would I ban them from the game when they will be its most active users? It's how it usually goes. Such sadness in this world...
Aye, might sound obvious to us. But sadly there are companies out there who will ban you ingame as well, if you don't behave on a forum, even though it has near to nothing to do with eachother.
Why would I ban them from the game when they will be its most active users? It's how it usually goes. Such sadness in this world...
You can see it from another point of view, the ones who are the most active are also the ones who are "hurt" the most by unannounced maintenances and hotfixes. I am by no means trying to defend those angry people on the forums, just pointing something out.
This is, of course, their right. Nonetheless, I think it speaks to the level of confidence they have in Diablo 3 that they would go this far to shut their critics down. And it disappoints me. I am all for banning people for abusive language or actual trolling, but that isn't what they are doing now. Pro D3 people can be as insulting and demeaning as they like. Those who criticize the game are banned for much less.
I realize that some of you will be glad this is happening. My POV, however, is that I want to hear from everyone whether I agree with them or not. If Blizzard didn't want a lot of criticism, they should have made a better game. Trying to shut people up just makes things worse, in my estimation.
AND . . .I wonder where the impetus to do this comes from.
Have fun with the game if you still can, peeps. I wish you all the best.
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Freedom is messy and annoying, but I prefer it to the alternative. Yeah, even on a game forum.
Should be "X is bad, maybe if you did this... Y is failing hard because of the way F is working *linkpost* has a good idea for fixing it"
Not "bitch and moan till your panties untwist from your ass crack and you can breath right"...no that forums would be not anywhere that i know of...im sure there is a bitch fest forums some where, and you should track it down and join that community that thinks they are oppressed for not being allowed to bitch and moan endlessly without offering the slightest ounce of constructive critique...
And no i do not mean "This game fucking sucks omg it is so lame and piece of shit, blizz is all bout money and RMAH they dont care about their players!!"...that is not constructive, it is not critique, it is not polite...
"Hey blizz, I have been bashing my head against the wall trying to down Belial in Act 2 inferno, the enrage timer on it just seems to short for a tanky build Barb like me, is there any way to change enrage timers to not be so punishing if you are not epic geared?"....that is an example of constructive critique... pointing out a complaint, addressing a possible alteration and no where was there insulting, whining, or bitching required....
The problem isn't the criticism. That's cool and highly useful to them. It's how the criticism is presented: most of the time, it's surrounded by a torrent of insults towards Blizzard, the fans, and pretty much anyone who doesn't fit into their own narrow view of the world. Consider the two following examples:
1. I feel like Monks are too weak atm. Skill X could probably do with being buffed: my suggestion for improving it is Y.
2. WTF Blizz, Monks are so underpowered! Did you even test this game or did you sit around with your thumbs up your asses all day long?! Skill X is so weak OMG, it's shit! Stop playing Demon Hunters and FIX YOUR GAME!!!
I'm sure anyone can see that the first example is the preferred option, and still gets the message across. There is never any need for the language in the second option, and that's what gets people banned. If everyone posted in a similar manner to the first option we'd have a far more interesting and insightful discussion on the state of the game, while still being allowed to voice negative opinions. Sadly, everyone decides to post like the second option, so... we don't.
You ....uhhhhh, you get the correlation there, don't you?
Losers have trolled that place into the fucking ground. They talk about how much they hate the game and then proceed to play it for another 14 hour stretch.
It's not what they're saying, it's how they say it. We're talking about hundreds of asshole children that think they can say whatever they want, they feel all tough-guy for leaving a flaming shit post and then they get all bent out of shape when consequences are handed down.
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Exactly. The same idiots who get suspended because of a teacher and then try to sue him for sexual harassment. We (the community) lose nothing when those kind of people are banned.
Then the post turns out to be something like "You fan boys don't know s&$%. This game f$%#ing SUCKS!!!!! The drop rate is sh*$ because they want everyone to use the RMAH! I wish Jay Wison would cut off his own head and beat Bashionk to death with it! Thanks Blizzard for this giant turd you call D3. Thank you very f&&%ing much!!!!" Then they are shocked they are banned.
The official forums are a place for Blizzard to interact with the community. They seem to want constructive feedback. Polite, original posts that offer serious criticism are all still on the site. Serious in depth criticism is a lot more damaging than someone just screaming a bunch of random obsenities and making vague statements about the quality of the game. Yet, they allow serious criticism to stand. It's not some conspiracy. It is just that they want a forum with a constructive tone, and they don't want to have to dig through pages of people screaming the same vague statements over and over again in heated tones.
If you have something constructive and detailed to say, you'll be fine. If you are going form thread to thread, cluttering things up with insults, antagonizing people and offering nothing original, you might eventually get banned. Seems alright to me. They have let people get away with far too much already. A majority of the posts have been repetitive, mean, and more or less useless.
People asking for developers to be fired, people saying the whole game is a failure (when it clearly isn't the whole game), people simply flaming one another, and trolling in condescending tone. So much ignorance gathered up in one place, no wonder a lot of people downlook at gamers.
We are supposed to be civilized. When human beings forget that they're humans and start behaving like territorial non-thinking animals, other humans gotta step in and remember them why we shouldn't behave like that.
This is such a grossly misleading statement, that I don't even know where to begin. Blizzard is deleting posts, and suspending accounts from posting on the forums, because people are posting things that are against the rules. As long as you calmly disagree with someone, and act like an adult about it, you won't get in trouble.
Instead, people are throwing insults left and right, and really going out of their way to be as nasty as possible. Those are the posts that Blizzard censors, because they are completely useless. The official forums are a cesspool and a complete mess, but not because of Blizzard censoring them.
Remember too, it's a private forum, Blizzard can run it however they want. Millions of people own Diablo 3, and want to give their input on what they think of the game. If you're calling everyone a faggot fat bitch non-stop, you're just making it so no one else can use the forums. They aren't your personal soap box, and place to throw a tantrum because Blizzard can't or won't bend over for you right this instant, and create the exact game you wanted.
Act like an adult, and Blizzard will treat you like one. I've disagreed with a lot of people, and my account has never been suspended.
I would just ban every single one of the trolls. Do you even know how it looked like 1-2 weeks after release? People cursing the families of Blizzard, middle finger and goatee ascii and the words "fuck" and "shit" copied and pasted hundreds of thousands of time in a single post that goes on for at least 40 screens. You can bet your ass I would've IP banned all of those people.
It's absolutely in favor of Blizzard and their community to ban all of them. News sites the world over have only one source they can think of (due to limited IQ) they can go and see how things are with the game and the forums are so troll- and flame-infested that it simply HURTS me to see how bad things are.
The few constructive posts that have arisen get almost no comments in their topics. Mainly because you can't even find them. I mean, how limited must your knowledge of how things are needs to be? If there is a topic with "Error 37" perhaps, just perhaps, you don't need to create another one. Yet there are hundreds. There was nothing useful in the first 20 pages of Tech Support during the first weeks. And if Blizz responded the thread got buried with great haste, pushed away by the "THIS GAME FUCKIN SUX" and "BLIZZARD YOU'RE A HUGE FAILURE".
I don't mind people being angry, but I mind people being angry with curse words, offering nothing to help their own situation and being incredibly impatient about anything at all.
Rolling restarts? The game will make me leave for 1 minute and make me create a new game? I better go to the forums and create 5 topics about how I've payed to play this game. Oh what's that? The restarts include a hotfix for that bug I've already created 10 topics about? Well it came too late. I'll make 5 more topics now.
All of the above has no pressure on me being a mod on this community, as some might suggest after I post this. And that has a very simple explanation. The people on Dfans are smart and constructive. We have huge topics with great discussions I enjoy reading for hours. To be quite frank I'm honored to be among this community and that it has managed to stay positive and level-headed during these somewhat hard times of the first month of release. Thank you.
Ha. Bagstone.
If by IP ban you mean a forum IP ban, then I agree with you. I think it's a very good decision of Blizzard to keep forum/ingame suspensions/bans seperate. I also agree with everything else, even though I find it funny that a lot of people can be so bitter and angry at something, it gets boring after a while.
Ha. Bagstone.
Aye, might sound obvious to us. But sadly there are companies out there who will ban you ingame as well, if you don't behave on a forum, even though it has near to nothing to do with eachother.
You can see it from another point of view, the ones who are the most active are also the ones who are "hurt" the most by unannounced maintenances and hotfixes. I am by no means trying to defend those angry people on the forums, just pointing something out.