Force quit Diablo 3

  • #41
    It's kind of a shame, but it's his choice. If he's not enjoying the game, then he should step away. There's no reason to keep playing something that's not fun to you. I felt the same way about WoW after awhile. I still love the game, but I found that I was treating hardcore raiding as a chore instead of truely enjoying it. The only reason I kept going was because of guys I played with, they were what made it fun. That being said, that's probably the same reason I'm going to keep playing D3 for the time being. That and I want to get each class up at least once ;)

    Force's beta videos were what inspired me to make my own, and I think a lot of what I do kind of mirror his style in some ways because of this. For that I'm thankful for his contributions and I wish him the best.
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  • #42
    Totally agree with Force, sadly... Not the thing i anticipated so much... Oh well, i can still be hyped for Darksiders II and A.C III :) Okay and maybe Dishonored ^-^.

    Btw still love the D||| community, but even tho i put in countless of hours in the game, and got the CE, something feels out of place..
    The game is not my cup of tea any more, still i wish GL and some fun to the ppl who still play it.


    Cheers,
    Burial
    "Beer and pussy. That's all I need." Oh, cats and Diablo ]I aswell :3
  • #43
    After making $100 sale on the RMAH (84.15 to be exact due to fees) i'm having a blast again =D baught 2 tabs of acid and stick and going to have major fun with my mates.
  • #44
    It's sad to see him go, he usually had a decent view of the news. But, it's to be somewhat expected, given just how much he played the game.

    Quote from Andarus

    The Game is terrible! I don't understand how people still play it...


    Is there like, an ignore or mute function? I mean, even if it's the posters legit opinion, instead of just being an incredibly unoriginal troll, it's never even remotely constructive, let a lone on topic, or even a critical (as in, well reasoned and argued) complaint. It's just a "This game sucks! Everyone who plays it is a moron!"

    Don't ban them, just ignore them. If you ban, they can just resubscribe. If you ignore them, and don't tell them everyone squelched them, then eventually they'll go away. Or not, either way it would stop subjecting me to it's stupidity.

    Quote from Kayzer

    It's the Auction House that's killing it for most people, any item you want is readily available to buy which wasn't the point of Diablo. The point was to trade with other people to acquire better gear, not have it be ready and buy it. I will miss Diablocast because it was my number 1 podcast to watch and listen to.

    Quote from lorien1973


    It sounds like he just got burnt out. It happens when you go so hard so fast.


    It's called buyer's remorse. He realized how pathetic it was to buy an pixelated item for real money. Every time you look at the "thing", it screams failure at you. This is why he quit. He said it more than a few times.


    Yeah, that's why I never had any intention to purchase something in the RMAH. I play the game to get better gear, why would I pay money (which I spend time doing substantially less fun work then playing Diablo for) to not play the game as much?
  • #45
    Quote from Kayzer

    It's the Auction House that's killing it for most people, any item you want is readily available to buy which wasn't the point of Diablo. The point was to trade with other people to acquire better gear, not have it be ready and buy it. I will miss Diablocast because it was my number 1 podcast to watch and listen to.


    You do understand that gold merely facilitates trade, herf derf, just like real currencies do for the world. It makes an economy efficient. So what you are complaining about is economic efficiency. As for the RMAH, I think thats BS, but guess what, I just dont use it. No problem as the gold house has plenty of items on it still.

    Case and point, I found these shoulders that I didndt need but they sold for 20m gold, well, I used that gold to get a high DPS bow... wait I think I just made some sort of trade... not sure though.
  • #46
    I agree with everything he said.

    Let be honest here, Force was also being cautious in saying that "It feels like, its not necessary, but it feels like" the AH is needed. Its absolutly is needed for most people. Force was being safe to save flames from trolls, but I'll say it for him, the AH is for most people necessary to advance. It would take too long and be way too boaring to build yourself an A3/4 set of gear all by youself. Im sure people have done it, but Im sure more people would rather see day light again this year.

    The fact is that the AH and the money that Blizzard saw they could make from it has ruined the game for the majority of people who play. Like Force said, we all knew people bought gold and blackmarket items, but it wasnt something at was coded for into the game. Now, the drops are effected by the AH. The drops are so low on purpose to force you towards the AH. Its central to the experience and has ruined it.
  • #47
    My answer to Force. Still reading diablofans, maybe ?

    You quitted because items only bring survivability. They only bring survivability because blizzard nerf all the synergies. They nerf them because they can't balance the game. And finally, they can't balance the game because .. they designed the skills before the elites traits, like a bunch of noobs.

    Now we have three perspectives ..

    Diablo Zero : they still try to balance D3 without redesigning the skills at the expense of builds variety.
    Diablo 2+ : they stop trying and take the same path as D2, only redesigning the legendaries and sets.
    Diablo 3 : they get some brains, redesign skills and items, bringing tons of controlled synergies, balanced and various builds, tons of reasons to play, farm, and to call this game an epic win.
  • #48
    Quote from lorien1973


    It sounds like he just got burnt out. It happens when you go so hard so fast.


    It's called buyer's remorse. He realized how pathetic it was to buy an pixelated item for real money. Every time you look at the "thing", it screams failure at you. This is why he quit. He said it more than a few times.


    this
  • #49
    how in the world could people get tired of playing d3? oh, it's because they spent hundreds of hours on it in only a month. i think in found the problem. if you spend 40+ hours a week on a game you're turning it into a job instead of a relaxing hobby.

    Force spent what...years?...living and breathing d3 waiting for it to come out. He played the d3 beta who knows how many hours. He then plays d3 release to death as well.

    of course he's ready to stop...i think a lot of people whining on forums have this same problem. for those with no job/school they play the game 10+ hours a day and then wonder why they get tired/bored of it. for those with actual responsibilities, they could still clock in 7-8 hours a day after job/school i suppose and have the same thing happen.

    what game could you play to death like that and not get burned?
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  • #51
    Quote from RockmanDoom

    Quote from Kayzer

    It's the Auction House that's killing it for most people, any item you want is readily available to buy which wasn't the point of Diablo. The point was to trade with other people to acquire better gear, not have it be ready and buy it. I will miss Diablocast because it was my number 1 podcast to watch and listen to.


    You do understand that gold merely facilitates trade, herf derf, just like real currencies do for the world. It makes an economy efficient. So what you are complaining about is economic efficiency. As for the RMAH, I think thats BS, but guess what, I just dont use it. No problem as the gold house has plenty of items on it still.

    Case and point, I found these shoulders that I didndt need but they sold for 20m gold, well, I used that gold to get a high DPS bow... wait I think I just made some sort of trade... not sure though.


    One problem with this idea is that the AH makes it so much easier to trade, that it's possible for the average person to "trade" up to the best item without ever getting a worthwhile drop. In D2, you either need an awesome drop, or to put together an awesome string of trade ups. Both of which was outside of most people.

    In other words, it lowered the barrier of trading so much, that it became almost trivial. This has good aspects (I can use it with out having to find that one person who needs my mediocre upgrade for a wizard, and has a mediocre upgrade for my WD). But there are downsides, such as people actually get the gear so much faster that they clear content before they "should" and the game seems shorter. Or they get gear before they "should" and the game seems to easy. But elitests also use it to complain. Just like they do anytime an annoyance gets removed in such a way that it looks like it is casualizing the game (so many people where upset that WC3 had auto-casts, or that SC2 workers would auto split among minerals).

    Quote from Sinistra

    I agree with everything he said.

    Let be honest here, Force was also being cautious in saying that "It feels like, its not necessary, but it feels like" the AH is needed. Its absolutly is needed for most people. Force was being safe to save flames from trolls, but I'll say it for him, the AH is for most people necessary to advance. It would take too long and be way too boaring to build yourself an A3/4 set of gear all by youself. Im sure people have done it, but Im sure more people would rather see day light again this year.

    The fact is that the AH and the money that Blizzard saw they could make from it has ruined the game for the majority of people who play. Like Force said, we all knew people bought gold and blackmarket items, but it wasnt something at was coded for into the game. Now, the drops are effected by the AH. The drops are so low on purpose to force you towards the AH. Its central to the experience and has ruined it.


    I bold the part that makes your statement incorrect. It makes the AH a convenience, not a requirement. I'd be crazy bored with out my main hobby of video games, but that doesn't make them a requirement, now does it?

    Put it another way - is driving to the movie theater a necessity when you can take the bus? It only became a "necessity" because people are impatient. Nothing in the game will stop working if you don't beat Inferno in time. Yes, it will take a LONG time, but it's possible. In fact, Kripp got most of the way through Inferno on a barbarian without the AH, RMAH, or getting gear donated.

    Oh, and the drops are NOT affected by the AH. This is just BS that has been spread around, only backed up by anecdotal evidence. This is OT, so I won't bother going on about it. But unless you can come up with hard evidence, then please stop gabbing on about that.

    Anyway, what this comes down to is that Blizzard gave people a shortcut, because they wanted it (if you used the AH or RMAH, you wanted it). It turns out that what you really had was a shortcut to not playing the game (because the only point to leveling up is to get more gear, and the only point of getting more gear is to kill monsters faster to get you more gear).
  • #52
    Quote from Number1337




    I laughed
  • #53
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    This is absolutely where my mind went. Oh, crap, is it that timeout error again where if you quit the process in task manager the server still thinks you're logged in and you get locked out?
  • #54
    Quote from Kayzer

    It's the Auction House that's killing it for most people, any item you want is readily available to buy which wasn't the point of Diablo. The point was to trade with other people to acquire better gear, not have it be ready and buy it. I will miss Diablocast because it was my number 1 podcast to watch and listen to.


    what in the hell does the ah have to do with anything?? buying items was still availble in d2 via 3rd party sites and ALOT of ppl used said sites. all the ah does is make it safer for you to do what was already being done 10 years ago.
  • #55
    I've made $375 off Diablo 3 so far. Does that mean the game is fun? No, but it does mean I've made some cash from a video game!


    In all seriousness, here are my sincere thoughts about the RMAH and it's implications on the game (taken directly from Penny Arcade):

    So, as those who have mostly left the bulding already, Diablo 3’s Real Money Auction House is double mysterious and we don’t know what it’s for. Well, okay: we know know. The “moneys.” What I’m saying is that getting new shit actually is the game. For us, anyway. Getting and, crucially, equipping new loot. The whole AH thing short-circuits the entire idea: the game is, functionally speaking, a pinata. Right? Obviously, you could just go buy candy at the store. It’s not about having candy. It’s about getting candy.


    Source (I still can't post urls...): penny-arcade.com/2012/06/27
    "All generalizations are false, including this one." -Mark Twain
  • #56
    He actually explained pretty well what happens to a lot of people.

    Once you realize that it's more efficient to buy the items you want rather than farm for them (this applies to SC only) the game feels pointless. This affects people who actually have money to spend more than those who are totally broke.

    This problem will grow considerably as items become cheaper on the RMAH.

    Once you realize that it's (personally) more rational for you to buy the item you want rather than spend 8 hours grinding for it, there's no point in playing the game really.

    People don't seem to understand that even though it's a choice, people are naturally drawn to the most rational decision. Someone like Force has enough money that it makes sense for him to buy a few items off the AH rather than farm endlessly for inferior items.

    That's the instant where the game becomes pointless, because it makes more sense (based on your income, etc) for you to earn more real money to buy items than it does for you to spend time farming in the game.

    Essentially, you'll get better items by NOT playing the game than you will by playing it.



    The AHs have really hurt D3. However, things have improved recently because of the nerfs to gold farming. Gold Find is actually pretty bad now. It doesn't make more sense to farm gold than items, which is a positive change Blizzard has made.

    Still though, the RMAH is the real problem. When the prices drop significantly over the next few months, the game is going to have a lot of trouble holding SC player's interest.
  • #57
    Quote from CherubDown

    I've made $375 off Diablo 3 so far. Does that mean the game is fun? No, but it does mean I've made some cash from a video game!


    In all seriousness, here are my sincere thoughts about the RMAH and it's implications on the game (taken directly from Penny Arcade):

    So, as those who have mostly left the bulding already, Diablo 3’s Real Money Auction House is double mysterious and we don’t know what it’s for. Well, okay: we know know. The “moneys.” What I’m saying is that getting new shit actually is the game. For us, anyway. Getting and, crucially, equipping new loot. The whole AH thing short-circuits the entire idea: the game is, functionally speaking, a pinata. Right? Obviously, you could just go buy candy at the store. It’s not about having candy. It’s about getting candy.


    Source (I still can't post urls...): penny-arcade.com/2012/06/27


    Normally I'm right on board with the PA guys, but I think this one really misses the mark. Even their analogy fails. If I want candy, maybe I'll go to the store... but sometimes I prefer to make my own (yes, I have a sugar thermometer). If I want to get some, I don't have to buy it... and it's more fun to make my own (and, usually, has a better result... but that's off-topic :) ).

    Buying gear was possible but optional in D2, and is still possible but optional in D3. The question was never "RMAH or no RMAH", it was "Blizzard RMAH or 3rd-party RMAH".
  • #58
    Quote from L0ckless

    Quote from Kayzer

    It's the Auction House that's killing it for most people, any item you want is readily available to buy which wasn't the point of Diablo. The point was to trade with other people to acquire better gear, not have it be ready and buy it. I will miss Diablocast because it was my number 1 podcast to watch and listen to.


    what in the hell does the ah have to do with anything?? buying items was still availble in d2 via 3rd party sites and ALOT of ppl used said sites. all the ah does is make it safer for you to do what was already being done 10 years ago.



    It has lots to do with everything, what kept MY interest in Diablo 2 for so long was trying to find those rare things people wanted or myself and trading and saving said items to get better gear that I wanted, I didn't use 3rd party sites and I never wanted to. It's hard to trade in this game when people just sell the stuff for real money or gold. As I said before, the Auction House makes anything and everything readily available. Trading and trying to farm items to do said trades did not.
  • #59
    Quote from RockmanDoom

    Quote from Kayzer

    It's the Auction House that's killing it for most people, any item you want is readily available to buy which wasn't the point of Diablo. The point was to trade with other people to acquire better gear, not have it be ready and buy it. I will miss Diablocast because it was my number 1 podcast to watch and listen to.


    You do understand that gold merely facilitates trade, herf derf, just like real currencies do for the world. It makes an economy efficient. So what you are complaining about is economic efficiency.

    Yeah, that's great for real life, but it's bad for this game because it's too accessible. The feeling that you're wasting your time farming when you could just very easily sell (and then buy) a few items starts to be insurmountable, and then you realise it's not fun anymore. I'm at ease to talk because I haven't purchased anything in the GAH or RMAH, but the temptation is there all the time; every time I die, there's a little nagging voice that tells me I could just hop onto the AH and get better gear. Fortunately, I can foresee how that would ruin the game even faster, and so I don't do it.
    So, in short, trade in D2 felt good because you knew that if you wanted something very good, it'd be a lot of hassle and trouble, so you'd better be sure you wanted it; in D3, it's just too damn accessible, it makes you feel like a chump for not using it.

    EDIT: Ah, theDFO said pretty much the same thing.

    Quote from Greenjoke

    what game could you play to death like that and not get burned?

    D2 :)

    Quote from TheDFO

    Oh, and the drops are NOT affected by the AH. This is just BS that has been spread around, only backed up by anecdotal evidence. This is OT, so I won't bother going on about it. But unless you can come up with hard evidence, then please stop gabbing on about that.

    There was a quote by Bashiok that was later deleted by Blizzard. That quote said that drop rates are not affected by what's currently for sale on the AH, but they are affected by the mere existence of the AH (ie, drop rates were nerfed because the AH exists). A couple of weeks after the quote was deleted, Jay Wilson came out and said that the drop rates were calculated as if the player did not use the AH at all; I honestly find this hard to believe.


    It’s not about having candy. It’s about getting candy.


    Beautifully said.
  • #60
    Purchasing from a 3rd party in D2 is not the same as using the RMAH in D3. This is especially true when Blizzard does something to discourage buying items. The bottom line is that most people who played D2 did not use 3rd party sites to buy items because it wasn't rolled into the actual game. Most people assumed there was some degree of risk involved when dealing with 3rd party sites, there's 0 risk involved with the RMAH.

    The same idea could be said about something like botting in D3. There are bots out there (not suggesting you use them) you could use to get gold faster, but do most people use bots? No. What if you could buy a bot off the RMAH? The game would be a total joke.

    The ease of which you can access something is really important, and whether Blizzard does anything to stop it is important as well.
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