Diablo 3 Player Drop. O.O!

  • #41
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    Xfire stopped being relevant in 2006.


    So did Blizzard.


    Yeah, because WoW Cata, SC2 and D3 all didn't break records previously held by other Blizzard games.

    Oh wait.

    They did.

    Just because you think something is not relevant, does not actually mean it is not, it may come as a surprise to you, but you are just one of many millions of people who determine what actually is relevant.


    Being that this was posted on a Diablo fan site I really didn't think I'd have to point out that it was a joke... but since your pants get tight when you see the Blizzard logo let's talk for a bit. You really think quantity equals quality? I'd bet that if Modern Warfare went 12 years between releases it'd probably post some pretty strong sales numbers as well. How about some other records: Has Blizzard ever had their offices in any country raided as a result of consumer complaints? I'd bet Blizzard is probably breaking records on refunds as well. Woohoo records!

    Aside from SC2 I've noted a serious decline in the quality of Blizzard releases, gone are the days where people can depend on a quality product simply because it carries the Blizzard logo. This is actually a conclusion I had made prior to release of D3 and the launch has done little but convinced me that I was right to feel reserved. Despite my resistance a friend was able to twist my arm into purchasing D3. He actually seems significantly more dissatisfied than I do, maybe that because I expected it to be lackluster, who knows. What I do know is that I won't have as much issue defending my position of not buying anymore Blizzard products in the future.


    Ok, i'll bite.

    No sales figures playing into this AT ALL;

    #1 WoW has the record for the most active MMO players in the world, it also holds the record for the largest player retention rate over the longest period of time for any game, not just an MMO. Any game that can not only maintain its player base for so long, and maintain continued customers over as many expansions as WoW has had cannot be considered a "decline" in quality.

    #2 SC2 is the #1 Esports game in the world, it has the largest payouts, has the largest tourney base, and the most television/player/event support of any Esports game on the planet. For a game that is outright built for Esports, you literally could not hope for anything better, period.

    #3 Well, D3 We will honestly have to wait and see, the game is so young its hard to use anything other then sales figures at this point, I am aware of the problems the game has, I am also having a blast playing the game, and know that Blizzard will make many, many changes to the game post launch. I will adopt a wait and see on this one, about 6 months out we should have a much clearer picture.

    Do you care to comment on #1 or #2? Because I can provide verification and outright proof on those 2 fronts (so can anyone who can use Google), would you care to explain in the face of those outright FACTS how that would indicate a decline in quality?

    Blizzard literally is the "bar" that is set for MMO/RTS/ARPG games, all other games in these genres are invariably compared to and inevitably fall short of these titles. (and by falls short, I mean sell less, have less players, and have a far shorter life span, literally, EVERY SINGLE ONE. I am not even exaggerating, every last MMO/RTS/ARPG game that is NOT a Blizzard game has fallen short of the aforementioned criteria, all of them, period. )


    #1 Wow holds the record, by far, for subscription numbers. By most accounts, the actual number of players is significantly lower, but I'd still expect them to be in the lead by far. I'd like to see your links on player retention as I'm not finding much and don't recall Blizzard ever making an official statement on it. It sure seems to me that a lot of people that played at release are no longer playing and that their marketing seems geared towards new business rather than retaining old customers but that's just my opinion/experience. Let's not forget that wow lost 10% of it's subscriptions in a year. There's another record for you, and not exactly indicative of continued quality.

    #2 I guess we're ignoring where I said "Aside from SC2" but since you insist on bringing it up I do have a gripe. SC1 had all campaigns included. SC2? Oh hell no, let's milk the customers for all we can!

    #3 I've gotten my money's worth from D3, no real skin off my back even if I didn't it's not going to break me. Is it a good game? For the most part sure. Is it a good Blizzard title? No.
  • #42
    Look at the WoW graph.

    Steadily increasing since May 16th. lol
  • #43
    Quote from Doez

    I don't care if I'm one of 10 people left in the world playing D3. If there is a server online, I'll be playing it. You kids can keep on moving to games that promote your short attention spans.


    I agree, it's a lot of fun. I've been waiting for something really intricate for a long time.

    I'm a2 inferno viable if you ever want a teammate.
  • #44
    Should just lock these types of threads... You can't tell anyone the game is bad on a diablo fans website mk?
  • #45
    In addition, Xfire blows and the demographic still using it are complete retards considering Steam / Vent / TS or whatever would be better in essentially every way. Xfire users would have exceptionally short attention spans because they're primarily kids who can't afford a pay service and/or aren't allowed to have Steam.
  • #46
    Quote from pegleg2060

    Should just lock these types of threads... You can't tell anyone the game is bad on a diablo fans website mk?


    There are bad things about the game.

    There are bad things about every game.

    Blizz has a good track record of improving their games after release. See Starcraft II.
  • #47
    Quote from pegleg2060

    Should just lock these types of threads... You can't tell anyone the game is bad on a diablo fans website mk?


    Indeed. On one hand I'm glad they're on cloud 9, on the other hand if they were more critical of what they spent their money on we would all benefit by receiving better products in the future.
  • #48
    Quote from blujay

    I agree, it's a lot of fun. I've been waiting for something really intricate for a long time.

    I'm a2 inferno viable if you ever want a teammate.


    PM me your tag, I'm always down to game with chill people.
  • #49
    Quote from Tinyhell

    Look at the WoW graph.

    Steadily increasing since May 16th. lol


    Probably because they are promoting wow pandaria as we speak.
  • #50
    #2 I guess we're ignoring where I said "Aside from SC2" but since you insist on bringing it up I do have a gripe. SC1 had all campaigns included. SC2? Oh hell no, let's milk the customers for all we can!

    That's just plain uninformed. The campaign was longer than the original (sans expansion) and allowed you to play two races. The expansions are going to be each as long as the original campaign, and the entire box is going to end up with well over double the content of the original game with the expand included. Also, the entire original game has been dutifully and faithfully recreated, so you've got all that, too; plus well over 100 popular custom games, FFA, VS, and bot matches.

    Obvious not milking for anything. If you thing legitimately releasing expansion packs is "milking" you should go look at what EA is doing with Battlefield 3.
  • #51
    Quote from Findulidas

    Quote from Tinyhell

    Look at the WoW graph.

    Steadily increasing since May 16th. lol


    Probably because they are promoting wow pandaria as we speak.


    There have been whispers of a new Blizz MMO, too.
  • #52
    Quote from blujay

    There have been whispers of a new Blizz MMO, too.


    Yeah, cool isnt it. I dont expect it to be released in 3 years atleast though considering blizzard always take thier time.
  • #53
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    Xfire stopped being relevant in 2006.


    So did Blizzard.


    Yeah, because WoW Cata, SC2 and D3 all didn't break records previously held by other Blizzard games.

    Oh wait.

    They did.

    Just because you think something is not relevant, does not actually mean it is not, it may come as a surprise to you, but you are just one of many millions of people who determine what actually is relevant.


    Being that this was posted on a Diablo fan site I really didn't think I'd have to point out that it was a joke... but since your pants get tight when you see the Blizzard logo let's talk for a bit. You really think quantity equals quality? I'd bet that if Modern Warfare went 12 years between releases it'd probably post some pretty strong sales numbers as well. How about some other records: Has Blizzard ever had their offices in any country raided as a result of consumer complaints? I'd bet Blizzard is probably breaking records on refunds as well. Woohoo records!

    Aside from SC2 I've noted a serious decline in the quality of Blizzard releases, gone are the days where people can depend on a quality product simply because it carries the Blizzard logo. This is actually a conclusion I had made prior to release of D3 and the launch has done little but convinced me that I was right to feel reserved. Despite my resistance a friend was able to twist my arm into purchasing D3. He actually seems significantly more dissatisfied than I do, maybe that because I expected it to be lackluster, who knows. What I do know is that I won't have as much issue defending my position of not buying anymore Blizzard products in the future.


    Ok, i'll bite.

    No sales figures playing into this AT ALL;

    #1 WoW has the record for the most active MMO players in the world, it also holds the record for the largest player retention rate over the longest period of time for any game, not just an MMO. Any game that can not only maintain its player base for so long, and maintain continued customers over as many expansions as WoW has had cannot be considered a "decline" in quality.

    #2 SC2 is the #1 Esports game in the world, it has the largest payouts, has the largest tourney base, and the most television/player/event support of any Esports game on the planet. For a game that is outright built for Esports, you literally could not hope for anything better, period.

    #3 Well, D3 We will honestly have to wait and see, the game is so young its hard to use anything other then sales figures at this point, I am aware of the problems the game has, I am also having a blast playing the game, and know that Blizzard will make many, many changes to the game post launch. I will adopt a wait and see on this one, about 6 months out we should have a much clearer picture.

    Do you care to comment on #1 or #2? Because I can provide verification and outright proof on those 2 fronts (so can anyone who can use Google), would you care to explain in the face of those outright FACTS how that would indicate a decline in quality?

    Blizzard literally is the "bar" that is set for MMO/RTS/ARPG games, all other games in these genres are invariably compared to and inevitably fall short of these titles. (and by falls short, I mean sell less, have less players, and have a far shorter life span, literally, EVERY SINGLE ONE. I am not even exaggerating, every last MMO/RTS/ARPG game that is NOT a Blizzard game has fallen short of the aforementioned criteria, all of them, period. )


    #1 Wow holds the record, by far, for subscription numbers. By most accounts, the actual number of players is significantly lower, but I'd still expect them to be in the lead by far. I'd like to see your links on player retention as I'm not finding much and don't recall Blizzard ever making an official statement on it. It sure seems to me that a lot of people that played at release are no longer playing and that their marketing seems geared towards new business rather than retaining old customers but that's just my opinion/experience. Let's not forget that wow lost 10% of it's subscriptions in a year. There's another record for you, and not exactly indicative of continued quality.

    #2 I guess we're ignoring where I said "Aside from SC2" but since you insist on bringing it up I do have a gripe. SC1 had all campaigns included. SC2? Oh hell no, let's milk the customers for all we can!

    #3 I've gotten my money's worth from D3, no real skin off my back even if I didn't it's not going to break me. Is it a good game? For the most part sure. Is it a good Blizzard title? No.


    Happy to answer;

    #1 Well, the very fact that WoW has around 10 million active accounts to this very day (around what, 8 years after release?) pretty much solidifys this fact, pretty simple to determine that one.

    #2 Oh no, I did see your statement on that, but seeing as SC2 is a recent game from Blizzard, and your comments were concerning recent decline in quality from Blizzard, I figured it was directly relevant. ;p

    #3 Well, I wholeheartedly dissagree with you on this one, but both of these statements (yours AND mine) are 100% personal opinion, and hold no real substance outside of that. (Like I said, we will have a much clearer picture at the 6 month point, either way.)

    And as for the "All campains included", well, last time I checked, the actual gameplay content of SC2 was not that far off from SC1 (in single player) the actual amount of single player content is FAR more important then the Campaign "acts" they could slap 2 missions together and call it an "Act". Also, SC1 had content sold after the fact as well....... (Brood War)
  • #54
    I would like to point out that I think SC2 was terrible and very sad I have to pay for it 3 times to see the story line. I think Blizzard isn't as great as they once were, but businesses, people, and targeted gaming demographics tend to change over 15 years. Still enjoying D3 and the first response post said it all, it's not an MMO people will stop playing. People have no simple understand of logic these days.
    Playing Diablo since 97. I know nothing and having nothing good to say, I be a troll.
  • #55
    Quote from pegleg2060

    Should just lock these types of threads... You can't tell anyone the game is bad on a diablo fans website mk?


    It's not about telling people it's bad. You can tell me all you want that it's bad, but that goes against what I feel to be true. Just like I can tell you that it's not bad and you're going to sit there and stick your fingers in your ears and ignore me.

    Blizzard is not in the habit of making prohibitively bad games (I cannot fathom that any company makes money by making purposefully-awful games) and if this game is THAT god awful I can assure you they will be fixing it in short order. What I think people like you are more afraid of is that the game really isn't THAT bad, that there are plenty of people who can see through some of the faults it has and still enjoy it, and that Blizzard isn't going to make changes that will appease you if/when there are lots of folks enjoying the game.

    I cannot see any other reason for spreading such negativity about a game in lieu of simply moving on to a game that better suits your own personal needs. I cannot see any of this as anything but a way to try to drag down the community with the hopes that if more people become upset Blizzard will suddenly cave to your each and every whim.
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  • #56
    xfire? lmao
  • #57
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    Xfire stopped being relevant in 2006.


    So did Blizzard.


    Yeah, because WoW Cata, SC2 and D3 all didn't break records previously held by other Blizzard games.

    Oh wait.

    They did.

    Just because you think something is not relevant, does not actually mean it is not, it may come as a surprise to you, but you are just one of many millions of people who determine what actually is relevant.


    Being that this was posted on a Diablo fan site I really didn't think I'd have to point out that it was a joke... but since your pants get tight when you see the Blizzard logo let's talk for a bit. You really think quantity equals quality? I'd bet that if Modern Warfare went 12 years between releases it'd probably post some pretty strong sales numbers as well. How about some other records: Has Blizzard ever had their offices in any country raided as a result of consumer complaints? I'd bet Blizzard is probably breaking records on refunds as well. Woohoo records!

    Aside from SC2 I've noted a serious decline in the quality of Blizzard releases, gone are the days where people can depend on a quality product simply because it carries the Blizzard logo. This is actually a conclusion I had made prior to release of D3 and the launch has done little but convinced me that I was right to feel reserved. Despite my resistance a friend was able to twist my arm into purchasing D3. He actually seems significantly more dissatisfied than I do, maybe that because I expected it to be lackluster, who knows. What I do know is that I won't have as much issue defending my position of not buying anymore Blizzard products in the future.


    Ok, i'll bite.

    No sales figures playing into this AT ALL;

    #1 WoW has the record for the most active MMO players in the world, it also holds the record for the largest player retention rate over the longest period of time for any game, not just an MMO. Any game that can not only maintain its player base for so long, and maintain continued customers over as many expansions as WoW has had cannot be considered a "decline" in quality.

    #2 SC2 is the #1 Esports game in the world, it has the largest payouts, has the largest tourney base, and the most television/player/event support of any Esports game on the planet. For a game that is outright built for Esports, you literally could not hope for anything better, period.

    #3 Well, D3 We will honestly have to wait and see, the game is so young its hard to use anything other then sales figures at this point, I am aware of the problems the game has, I am also having a blast playing the game, and know that Blizzard will make many, many changes to the game post launch. I will adopt a wait and see on this one, about 6 months out we should have a much clearer picture.

    Do you care to comment on #1 or #2? Because I can provide verification and outright proof on those 2 fronts (so can anyone who can use Google), would you care to explain in the face of those outright FACTS how that would indicate a decline in quality?

    Blizzard literally is the "bar" that is set for MMO/RTS/ARPG games, all other games in these genres are invariably compared to and inevitably fall short of these titles. (and by falls short, I mean sell less, have less players, and have a far shorter life span, literally, EVERY SINGLE ONE. I am not even exaggerating, every last MMO/RTS/ARPG game that is NOT a Blizzard game has fallen short of the aforementioned criteria, all of them, period. )


    #1 Wow holds the record, by far, for subscription numbers. By most accounts, the actual number of players is significantly lower, but I'd still expect them to be in the lead by far. I'd like to see your links on player retention as I'm not finding much and don't recall Blizzard ever making an official statement on it. It sure seems to me that a lot of people that played at release are no longer playing and that their marketing seems geared towards new business rather than retaining old customers but that's just my opinion/experience. Let's not forget that wow lost 10% of it's subscriptions in a year. There's another record for you, and not exactly indicative of continued quality.

    #2 I guess we're ignoring where I said "Aside from SC2" but since you insist on bringing it up I do have a gripe. SC1 had all campaigns included. SC2? Oh hell no, let's milk the customers for all we can!

    #3 I've gotten my money's worth from D3, no real skin off my back even if I didn't it's not going to break me. Is it a good game? For the most part sure. Is it a good Blizzard title? No.


    Happy to answer;

    #1 Well, the very fact that WoW has around 10 million active accounts to this very day (around what, 8 years after release?) pretty much solidifys this fact, pretty simple to determine that one.

    #2 Oh no, I did see your statement on that, but seeing as SC2 is a recent game from Blizzard, and your comments were concerning recent decline in quality from Blizzard, I figured it was directly relevant. ;p

    #3 Well, I wholeheartedly dissagree with you on this one, but both of these statements (yours AND mine) are 100% personal opinion, and hold no real substance outside of that. (Like I said, we will have a much clearer picture at the 6 month point, either way.)


    #1 I never said Wow wasn't at the top or that it was outright bad or anything of that nature. What i said is that there's been a decline in the quality. That doesn't mean that it's a low quality product either, that just means it's not as good as it was a peak. The loss of subs supports this and you still didn't provide any data to backup your claim of record player retention despite the trends saying otherwise.

    #2 The fact that I stated that SC2 was an exception kinda made it irrelevant to the rest of the statement.

    #3 That's cool, I'm glad you're 100% satisfied, or nearly. I think it's pretty obvious that a large number aren't.
  • #58
    Quote from Slayerviper

    I would like to point out that I think SC2 was terrible and very sad I have to pay for it 3 times to see the story line. I think Blizzard isn't as great as they once were, but businesses, people, and targeted gaming demographics tend to change over 15 years. Still enjoying D3 and the first response post said it all, it's not an MMO people will stop playing. People have no simple understand of logic these days.


    Just a question?

    So paying for 2 games (SC1 + Brood War) to see the whole story was ok, but 3 (SC2 + HOTS + LOTV) is not? (also, the 3 will come with more content then the 2 from before)

    I am confused by this.
  • #59
    Quote from blujay

    #2 I guess we're ignoring where I said "Aside from SC2" but since you insist on bringing it up I do have a gripe. SC1 had all campaigns included. SC2? Oh hell no, let's milk the customers for all we can!

    That's just plain uninformed. The campaign was longer than the original (sans expansion) and allowed you to play two races. The expansions are going to be each as long as the original campaign, and the entire box is going to end up with well over double the content of the original game with the expand included. Also, the entire original game has been dutifully and faithfully recreated, so you've got all that, too; plus well over 100 popular custom games, FFA, VS, and bot matches.

    Obvious not milking for anything. If you thing legitimately releasing expansion packs is "milking" you should go look at what EA is doing with Battlefield 3.


    I'm not talking about the amount of content, by all means offer expansions with more content. The fact that you can't play one race at all, and barely play another, seems pretty lame when the original gave you plenty of time on each. I own BF3 and agree, but I'd be shocked if you see that in EA and not in Blizzard.
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    Quote from Westingham

    Xfire stopped being relevant in 2006.


    So did Blizzard.


    Yeah, because WoW Cata, SC2 and D3 all didn't break records previously held by other Blizzard games.

    Oh wait.

    They did.

    Just because you think something is not relevant, does not actually mean it is not, it may come as a surprise to you, but you are just one of many millions of people who determine what actually is relevant.


    Being that this was posted on a Diablo fan site I really didn't think I'd have to point out that it was a joke... but since your pants get tight when you see the Blizzard logo let's talk for a bit. You really think quantity equals quality? I'd bet that if Modern Warfare went 12 years between releases it'd probably post some pretty strong sales numbers as well. How about some other records: Has Blizzard ever had their offices in any country raided as a result of consumer complaints? I'd bet Blizzard is probably breaking records on refunds as well. Woohoo records!

    Aside from SC2 I've noted a serious decline in the quality of Blizzard releases, gone are the days where people can depend on a quality product simply because it carries the Blizzard logo. This is actually a conclusion I had made prior to release of D3 and the launch has done little but convinced me that I was right to feel reserved. Despite my resistance a friend was able to twist my arm into purchasing D3. He actually seems significantly more dissatisfied than I do, maybe that because I expected it to be lackluster, who knows. What I do know is that I won't have as much issue defending my position of not buying anymore Blizzard products in the future.


    Ok, i'll bite.

    No sales figures playing into this AT ALL;

    #1 WoW has the record for the most active MMO players in the world, it also holds the record for the largest player retention rate over the longest period of time for any game, not just an MMO. Any game that can not only maintain its player base for so long, and maintain continued customers over as many expansions as WoW has had cannot be considered a "decline" in quality.

    #2 SC2 is the #1 Esports game in the world, it has the largest payouts, has the largest tourney base, and the most television/player/event support of any Esports game on the planet. For a game that is outright built for Esports, you literally could not hope for anything better, period.

    #3 Well, D3 We will honestly have to wait and see, the game is so young its hard to use anything other then sales figures at this point, I am aware of the problems the game has, I am also having a blast playing the game, and know that Blizzard will make many, many changes to the game post launch. I will adopt a wait and see on this one, about 6 months out we should have a much clearer picture.

    Do you care to comment on #1 or #2? Because I can provide verification and outright proof on those 2 fronts (so can anyone who can use Google), would you care to explain in the face of those outright FACTS how that would indicate a decline in quality?

    Blizzard literally is the "bar" that is set for MMO/RTS/ARPG games, all other games in these genres are invariably compared to and inevitably fall short of these titles. (and by falls short, I mean sell less, have less players, and have a far shorter life span, literally, EVERY SINGLE ONE. I am not even exaggerating, every last MMO/RTS/ARPG game that is NOT a Blizzard game has fallen short of the aforementioned criteria, all of them, period. )


    #1 Wow holds the record, by far, for subscription numbers. By most accounts, the actual number of players is significantly lower, but I'd still expect them to be in the lead by far. I'd like to see your links on player retention as I'm not finding much and don't recall Blizzard ever making an official statement on it. It sure seems to me that a lot of people that played at release are no longer playing and that their marketing seems geared towards new business rather than retaining old customers but that's just my opinion/experience. Let's not forget that wow lost 10% of it's subscriptions in a year. There's another record for you, and not exactly indicative of continued quality.

    #2 I guess we're ignoring where I said "Aside from SC2" but since you insist on bringing it up I do have a gripe. SC1 had all campaigns included. SC2? Oh hell no, let's milk the customers for all we can!

    #3 I've gotten my money's worth from D3, no real skin off my back even if I didn't it's not going to break me. Is it a good game? For the most part sure. Is it a good Blizzard title? No.


    Happy to answer;

    #1 Well, the very fact that WoW has around 10 million active accounts to this very day (around what, 8 years after release?) pretty much solidifys this fact, pretty simple to determine that one.

    #2 Oh no, I did see your statement on that, but seeing as SC2 is a recent game from Blizzard, and your comments were concerning recent decline in quality from Blizzard, I figured it was directly relevant. ;p

    #3 Well, I wholeheartedly dissagree with you on this one, but both of these statements (yours AND mine) are 100% personal opinion, and hold no real substance outside of that. (Like I said, we will have a much clearer picture at the 6 month point, either way.)


    #1 I never said Wow wasn't at the top or that it was outright bad or anything of that nature. What i said is that there's been a decline in the quality. That doesn't mean that it's a low quality product either, that just means it's not as good as it was a peak. The loss of subs supports this and you still didn't provide any data to backup your claim of record player retention despite the trends saying otherwise.

    #2 The fact that I stated that SC2 was an exception kinda made it irrelevant to the rest of the statement.

    #3 That's cool, I'm glad you're 100% satisfied, or nearly. I think it's pretty obvious that a large number aren't.


    lol

    #1 Ok, this is really simple, THERE IS NO OTHER GAME ON THE PLANET THAT HAS HAD 10 MILLION ACTIVE PLAYERS 8 YEARS AFTER RELEASE.

    Is that hard to understand? Do you not understand what player retention is? Every MMO game ever made eventually has a player base decline, new games come out, technology improves, thats the gaming industry. WoW has had the slowest decline of players out of any MMO ever made, the evidence is the fact that there are STILL 10 Million players subbed at this point, this is really not that hard to understand.

    #2 Recent is still recent?

    #3 Yup, by that logic, D2 was a terrible game as well. (the forums at D2's launch were filled with complaints of the skills trees, the inability to have any class have any skills, etc, etc, etc)
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