Kripp tips @Blizzard

  • #41
    Quote from Karalius

    D2 had a lot more "end game" than D3. No need to compare to fucking wow or any other mmo.


    Did you really play D2? What end game did D2 have that D3 is lacking other than the lame hostile mode and dueling?
  • #42
    Quote from Doez

    Quote from Karalius

    D2 had a lot more "end game" than D3. No need to compare to fucking wow or any other mmo.


    Did you really play D2? What end game did D2 have that D3 is lacking other than the lame hostile mode and dueling?

    Did you really read my post?
    Yes I did play d2. And I listed everything D2 had that D3 is lacking.

    What I forgot to mention in that post was that d2 was released what, 13 years ago?
    It had a lot more re-playability value.

    Sure when you compare d3 to nowaday games that require 10 hours to finish, congratulations - d3 is amazing.

    If you compare it to d2 that came out 13 years ago. Where to get to max level took you forever, where ladder was reset frequently, etc etc - d3 is pathetic.
  • #43
    Quote from Karalius

    Did you really read my post?
    Yes I did play d2. And I listed everything D2 had that D3 is lacking.

    What I forgot to mention in that post was that d2 was released what, 13 years ago?
    It had a lot more re-playability value.

    Sure when you compare d3 to nowaday games that require 10 hours to finish, congratulations - d3 is amazing.

    If you compare it to d2 that came out 13 years ago. Where to get to max level took you forever, where ladder was reset frequently, etc etc - d3 is pathetic.


    Getting to max level was not rewarding for the majority of players. You farmed the same content over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. This mentality is such a joke because you are so disillusioned into thinking it was more content. A ton of people didn't even play on the ladder because it had no meaning competing versus bots to reach 99 before them.

    You must not have played HC either in D2, because lag/disconnects were also prevalent there too and people lost a lot of characters the same way you did in D3.

    So if D3 had ladders and pvp, you'd have no argument based on your post.
  • #44
    @tyraen: when d3 was finnaly announced (i mean, really with closed beta and everything) my friends and i were excited as most of the ppl in this forum was. ive made a facebook group so we can discuss the game even before its release. the community grew up and we got to the point that we had over 150 friends or friends of friends who where wainting for the launch (we did a skype "party" on day 1 and everything). anyways, we were overjoyed. then most of us hit the inferno 2 wall. then the inferno 3 wall. then the ones who progressed tru it (myself included) got the 1.03 mass nerf. to sumarize it, in an active community of over 100 ppl (my friend list is huge) i can barely see 3 or 4 guys logged at the same time. so, basicly, im not talking of exodus because of the "common sense", im saying what ive seen in loco. i like the social aspect of this game, but im tired of playing with strangers because my friends are not playing it anymore. as i said in my first comment, im finishing the achievements then i think im done (unless some changes are made).

    ps: sorry about the bad english, its my third language and its really early in the morning. lol
    "Mess with the best, die like the rest"
  • #45
    Quote from Doez

    Getting to max level was not rewarding for the majority of players. You farmed the same content over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. This mentality is such a joke because you are so disillusioned into thinking it was more content. A ton of people didn't even play on the ladder because it had no meaning competing versus bots to reach 99 before them.

    You must not have played HC either in D2, because lag/disconnects were also prevalent there too and people lost a lot of characters the same way you did in D3.

    So if D3 had ladders and pvp, you'd have no argument based on your post.

    Yet now the only thing to do is to farm the same content over and over for NO REWARD AT ALL.
    At least there was an incentive in d2, to actually get to max level. Your lack of ability to actually see holes in your own statements amuses me.

    This is why I didn't include hardcore in my post. I didn't talk about HC when comparing d3 and d2. Why did you bring that up?

    You are grabbing any straw to win an internet argument. Good for you, never let go when you realize that you're wrong.
  • #46
    Quote from Karalius

    Quote from Doez

    Quote from Karalius

    D2 had a lot more "end game" than D3. No need to compare to fucking wow or any other mmo.


    Did you really play D2? What end game did D2 have that D3 is lacking other than the lame hostile mode and dueling?

    If you compare it to d2 that came out 13 years ago. Where to get to max level took you forever, where ladder was reset frequently, etc etc - d3 is pathetic.


    That's exactly the point, it was 13 years ago. Since then we grown accustomed to MMOs with new locations/gear tiers/ladder resets/new bosses etc. If D3 came out 13 years ago it would be miles ahead of D2 in both design and replayability, but now reality is different and Blizzard had to make tremendous efforts so ppls would play this game at least half time they played D2. Essentially they failed or didn't try hard enough becouse they knew that replayable D3 would hurt their WoW subscriptions.
  • #47
    Not bad. I always thought capping levels at 60 was a bad idea. Even if stats stopped at 60, they should have just allowed levels to keep going up even it it was just for "epeen" value. Or like Kripp suggests, special bonuses like faster TP cast time, more than 1 companion, etc.

    I also agree that PvP without some sort of ranking and ladder system is totally worthless :/


    because D2's PvP had a ladder and ranking system...oh wait....no it didn't.

    stop trying to turn this game more into WoW Than it already is. Just wait till the Arena PvP is out (the fact that you can't pk in games is lame) , people will be crying classes are imbalanced and its just going to be another QQ fest all over again.

    PvP was never meant to be an integral part of the game as their primary focus was always PvE content. With that being said don't take that out of context because PvP it still certainly fun and keeps the game going, but their not going to (at least they better not) shape the talents and skills around PvP balancing.
  • #48
    Quote from Karalius

    You are grabbing any straw to win an internet argument. Good for you, never let go when you realize that you're wrong.


    Sorry man, I'm not trying to win an internet argument, just fizzling another cry baby about D3 not being D2 with ladders and pvp at launch. I'm done chiming in, carry on crying.
  • #49
    The only reason for people to be sceptical of this post, or the video it self, is cause they are having a blast trying to clear inferno.
    I my self felt the same way a week or 2 ago, when people where whining about this too, but after clearing inferno 7 days ago, i havent hardly played at all... I can't see the reason why?
    I started a HC char, and is trying to lvl him a bit, but i really wanted to work on my main SC char, and have some goal or something to do.. but there is literally NOTHING at all to do.
    Sure you can make more gold, and be the richest person in the game, but so what if you allready have some of the best items in the game? (and no i didnt get fed from streams etc.) The last week i havent encountered a single challenge on inferno, that wasnt easy to me, and therefor it got very boring, and when things get boring you tend to stop doing them.
    Sure pvp is comming, but when? I bought a game that was supposed to have pvp - well okay, if the game it self had a PvE endgame, that was playable for 6 months, then no problem - but it doesnt. If you have enough time to put into the game, (read are a hardcore gamer) there is no more than a month playtime for you, unless you like doing the same things over and over for no reason. Who wants to do the same for 2 months, 4 months or a year before pvp comes? I dont have any date to go for, just that "it will come in patch 1.1"
  • #50
    Quote from Doez

    Quote from Karalius

    You are grabbing any straw to win an internet argument. Good for you, never let go when you realize that you're wrong.


    Sorry man, I'm not trying to win an internet argument, just fizzling another cry baby about D3 not being D2 with ladders and pvp at launch. I'm done chiming in, carry on crying.

    I am pointing out actual flaws of d3. You are crying and writing down random crap that either no one was talking about or never actually happened. Send me a card on your 16th birthday, kid ;)


    Quote from aegge

    If you have enough time to put into the game, (read are a hardcore gamer) there is no more than a month playtime for you.

    1-2 weeks at most if you are a hardcore gamer.
    Reached inferno in 3 days after release. Took about 2 weeks to beat inferno pre-nerf. And this was the time where there was literally no good gear on AH most of the time.

    Right now it would take 2 days to reach inferno, and a week max to clear inferno for the hardcore gamer.
  • #51
    Quote from Doez

    Quote from Karalius

    D2 had a lot more "end game" than D3. No need to compare to fucking wow or any other mmo.


    Did you really play D2? What end game did D2 have that D3 is lacking other than the lame hostile mode and dueling?


    D2 did not have more endgame, no way. Even the current D3 endgame feels better. It's just that there is currently no purpose to play it. In D2 you would do hours of Pindleskin to equip your new Lightning Sorc, that required different items than your previous four Sorcs or your Shout-Barb or to improve your PvP-Necro, for whom those little extra %s could actually matter.
    In current D3 you have neither variations of classes(itemwise)* nor PvP and those aforementioned little extra %s don't matter in PvE. You beat it or you don't. It's sure nice to do it a little faster, but that's not that kind of motivation that D2 gave.

    *Actually, for the Barb we could have a very long discussion about different builds and corresponding gear sets, but that's not the point, we will still only have 5 chars with maybe 1-2 gear sets each. Not close to infinite amounts of both.
    I apologize for any formating issues in my posts, I just can't use the new editor.Currently playing Magic 2014, see my thread:http://www.diablofans.com/topic/97565-magic-2014/
    Also, if you like Classics, try:Dungeons and Dragons Anthology ( http://www.gamersgat...ster-collection )
  • #52
    Karalius,
    There is a difference by beating inferno with exploits, and by killing all champion packs on the way. (Not saying you did that) But most so called "hardcore" gamers, exploited their way to the bosses to "finish" the game early. - IMO, and this is just my opinion, the game isnt beaten untill you can walk over all champion packs. Some say kill diablo no matter how, and game done.
    I dont think Ihave any friends on my friends on my f.list that didnt clear inferno pre 1.0.3, either with exploits early, but all before 1.0.3 - even those of us who wanted to be able to take on the whole content, and not just the bosses.
  • #53
    I stopped here "I know endgame better than anyone - I'm pretty sure", "I played videogames for 5-7 years"

    what a fking trolling newfag... how old is he, 16?
  • #54
    Quote from Karalius

    I am pointing out actual flaws of d3. You are crying and writing down random crap that either no one was talking about or never actually happened. Send me a card on your 16th birthday, kid ;)


    You are crying about D3 end game being fail because it doesn't have a ladder or pvp like D2. Your memory and reading comprehension is fail. Maybe I can be a grown up too making youtube videos. Try harder, son.
  • #55
    What would champion levels do other the prove that you had a lot of time to play the game?

    The whole point of the RMAH is that someone that works all the time and makes 200k a year can have a chance to play on the same footing as someone that plays 80 hours a week.
  • #56
    Quote from minaxo

    I stopped here "I know endgame better than anyone - I'm pretty sure", "I played videogames for 5-7 years"

    what a fking trolling newfag... how old is he, 16?


    If you are referring to kripp I believe what he meant was he plays a SINGLE GAME for 5-7 years. More to the point, seeing as he was world first hardcore inferno (and possible still the only person to do it im not sure) he probley does know the game better than practically anyone.
  • #57
    Terrible suggestions for someone who is an “expert in endgames”

    Diablo 2 was about getting levels before reset and getting ítems. BOTH of them are important. Diablo 2 can’t be compared, sadly: lots of duping. Without stats points, items importance can’t change. D2 has terrible mistakes, at the end the game was disbalanced, i needed lots of patch. The same happens with D3. Both didnt habe end game except for reaching level 99 again and again and again.

    The skill system goes against the reset suggestion. The chance of changing abilities makes the reset dumb.
    I was against repair cost, but now I understand it. The ones who repair are the ones who can go through an act in a correct way. I cant pass act 3 inferno, I die so much and I have a lot to pay. I die 1-2 times at act 2, I don’t pay so much. The message: act 3 it’s not for me yet.
    Blizzard can’t change the importance of gear. Sadly is the system again. The gear is important because we don’t have an attribute point system.
    He is correct about PVP. Really low repair is the way. However the pvp will be with a matchmaking system with people of your same “gear score”.

    Nice, he proposes Mu Online system for pve. (champion levels=mu progression after lvl 400) That’s not a ladder man, unless you suggest nearly impossible levels to reach (nearly a week playing to get one champion level). Believe champion levels its not answer, even more with the op abilities he suggests. I think its better if he says: “bring the expansion”
    There can’t be faster tp. The faster tp its op, you can escape any champions.

    You can’t have multiple followers; it would so op. Templar source regeneration and enchantress attack speed bonus? SO OP. To have them in multiplayer, a really really easier game.

    I don’t like his idea however he is correct about pvp.

    Anyway i respect him because he was the first on hardcore...wait wait? he took advantage of the exploits...well...that isnt bad...wait wait, he had farm teams...well everyone have lots and lots of friends...wait wait....he passed hardcore inferno before patch 1.03? well Kripp, it seems you love the ideas of Mu Online, go play Mu Online (i used to play :P)
  • #58
    Quote from Doez

    Quote from Karalius

    I am pointing out actual flaws of d3. You are crying and writing down random crap that either no one was talking about or never actually happened. Send me a card on your 16th birthday, kid ;)


    You are crying about D3 end game being fail because it doesn't have a ladder or pvp like D2. Your memory and reading comprehension is fail. Maybe I can be a grown up too making youtube videos. Try harder, son.

    Still crying I see, keep at it bitch ;)

    Quote from minaxo

    I stopped here "I know endgame better than anyone - I'm pretty sure", "I played videogames for 5-7 years"

    what a fking trolling newfag... how old is he, 16?

    yeah I laughed at that too, but that isn't what he meant by that tho :)

    Quote from aegge

    Karalius,
    There is a difference by beating inferno with exploits, and by killing all champion packs on the way. (Not saying you did that) But most so called "hardcore" gamers, exploited their way to the bosses to "finish" the game early. - IMO, and this is just my opinion, the game isnt beaten untill you can walk over all champion packs. Some say kill diablo no matter how, and game done.
    I dont think Ihave any friends on my friends on my f.list that didnt clear inferno pre 1.0.3, either with exploits early, but all before 1.0.3 - even those of us who wanted to be able to take on the whole content, and not just the bosses.


    That is the reason I am still playing. And those are the reasons so many people quit already.
    And these are the reasons why people say there is no end-game.

    I was just trying to point out the flaws that come when people compare D3 to WOW instead of D2.
    And while D2 was released 13 years ago, it had a lot more things right than d3 has. Doesn't mean d3 is bad, doesn't mean you can play it for half a year. It just means d3 had a tough act to follow, and considering blizzard track record everyone expected way more. At best it turned out a mediocre game. But hey, its diablo 3, so let the money pile in.
  • #59
    Quote from Fuleira

    @tyraen: when d3 was finnaly announced (i mean, really with closed beta and everything) my friends and i were excited as most of the ppl in this forum was. ive made a facebook group so we can discuss the game even before its release. the community grew up and we got to the point that we had over 150 friends or friends of friends who where wainting for the launch (we did a skype "party" on day 1 and everything). anyways, we were overjoyed. then most of us hit the inferno 2 wall. then the inferno 3 wall. then the ones who progressed tru it (myself included) got the 1.03 mass nerf. to sumarize it, in an active community of over 100 ppl (my friend list is huge) i can barely see 3 or 4 guys logged at the same time. so, basicly, im not talking of exodus because of the "common sense", im saying what ive seen in loco. i like the social aspect of this game, but im tired of playing with strangers because my friends are not playing it anymore. as i said in my first comment, im finishing the achievements then i think im done (unless some changes are made).

    ps: sorry about the bad english, its my third language and its really early in the morning. lol


    finish achivements? Gl on Inferno HC diablo kill
    Diablo 3 Progress (clearing all content, doing bosses with 5 stacks, no exploits no bug abusement, solo only)
    Softcore (Barbarian) (Wizzard):
    All clear.
    Hardcore (Witch Doctor):
    King Leoric Inferno - dead Butcher Inferno - dead
  • #60
    People have already said it, but it appears we have a misunderstanding of genres combined with rose-colored nostalgia goggles. I don't think this discussion can even be honest.

    It sounds like people just want some shallow set of goals to keep them mindlessly grinding on the game towards some false sense of progression. It never ceases to amaze me how "fun" is no longer its own reward when playing a video game. People play basketball for fun, golf for fun, ski for fun. People pay for entertainment to be entertained, except vocal gamers who think they deserve something for their time, even if that something is essentially meaningless.
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