The majority of the players will not give a flying F**K about the lore of Diablo 3. I rest my case knowing that I'm right, and let you continue your hilarious debate with your Diablo T-shirt on.
I know it's hard to believe, but Diablo's fanbase is almost like a cult. A lot of people truly do care about its lore, just like people are rabid about WoW's lore. You really aren't right, but your opinions aren't completely invalid either. A lot of people love the lore, a lot of people don't. It's a stalemate.
Edit- The Sin War trilogy and the Book of Cain are really good reads, and I appreciated the lore behind it. It doesn't make me want to get Tyrael tattoos all over my body, but it really amped me up for D3.
Its absurd to presume that the majority of the players who will play diablo 3 will be new to the series entirely even lore wise.., and even if by some miracle the playerbase is made up more so of new players to the series then familiar ones, then wouldn't it seem more logical that they would be interested in the story if they haven't played the game before?
Some will pick up the game and be like " I'm killing demons, f*ck yeah!"
Others will be " I'm killing demons, f*ck yeah! but im a little curious as to the story"
You should not care about what other people do in this game or any game.
Just because you don't like the story doesn't mean that millions of people don't.
The only definitive proof for who hit 60 first would have to come from Blizzard.
I have to say that everyone with an opinion on everyone elses way of playing is just as sad as the people they feel they are intimidating.
That being said. I am not rushing through with the intent upon World First anything..... I am going to play quick cause that is my playstyle.... I have been waiting a decade for this game as well, just like everyone else, but I wont use the lame ass excuse that it will be the cause of my slow play. I enjoyed both previous Diablo games, and not for their stories or lore. I loved the game play the fast action packed item hunt. The item hunt is the end game after all and a faster playstyles benefits that end.
But to say someone should not play quickly to match their idea of the game and how it should be played simply because you love the lore and what not, is just silly. People play for different reasons. Get over yourselves! First person to 60 will have achieved what they wanted. Your first playthrough a month from, having found and seen everything that you wanted to, will have achieved what you wanted. Dont judge.
I myself will personally skip all cutscenes on every playthrough I ever do. As the lore or story of the game is in no way, shape, or form why I am buying this game. I love the diablo Franchise..... I hate the story.
Getting to 60 in Hell is not really a challenge.
Beating inferno / Beating inferno on HC is.
Have you ever considered that not everyone enjoys Diablo because it has an "epic storyline" ? Some people enjoy other things in the game. Most people enjoy other things in the game actually. Probably like 5% of the players are looking forward to the story part most.
Nice 5% playerbase assumption on who is looking forward to storyline, that's also a guess, a terribly incorrect guess.
But nice try.
On what do facts do you base your statement of my guess being "incorrect" ? Just because you like the story does not mean that more than 1/20 of the casuals who buy the game and have never played the Diablo series care about the story. They care about the gameplay.
I base it on the fact that there is more then 5% of people on this forum alone, let alone the world, who will play for the storyline. The lore and storyline forum isn't empty. I for one will play for both gameplay and fun but what makes diablo a even greater experience is how much the lore expands the excitement and depth of gameplay.
Have you ever considered that if you are an active participant on this Forum (and other Diablo 3 forums) you are very different from the mainstream gamer ? 99.9% of people who play Diablo 3 will never read or post any threads on forums. Not to mention the fact that everybody who posts on this forum is more likely to be a fan (diablofans ring any bells?) of the series already, so that of course makes them prime candidates for your percentage of people who will enjoy the game for its lore / story aspect.
The fact is that the MAJORITY of players that will eventually purchase Diablo 3, have not played Diablo and Diablo 2 prior to this considering that the MAJORITY of the players of Diablo 3 will probably be aged between 15 and 20 years (They have been less than 10 years old when Diablo 2 was released, and thus probably never have played the game). And THAT is a fact.
says that ppl care about the storyline...so pls just stop.
If ppl didnt care about the storyline, why have the spoiler tag. Also why do all spoiler front page posts have "huge spoilers" listed in like all caps and crazy colors.
Weren't you able to understand my point ? This forum holds the capacity of less than 0.01% of the Diablo 3 players. The rest will be mostly new players to the series, and therefore not care about the lore in particular. They just like to play Action RPG games.
Just because they are new to the Diablo games doesn't mean they don't know the lore. You do know that there is a Diablo book series, I haven't checked in a while but kids still know how to read right?
Or, they are new and actually went back and played d1 and d2 to prepare themselves for the new information released in d3. I would also love to know how you get your information since u state it as fact.
Where as my examples are just that examples of what a new player could do to learn about the lore prior to the release of this game.
Wow, you just didn't really pull the "book series" card. This just proves my point about you being TOTALLY DELIRIOUS. Do you happen to know HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE READ / WILL READ THOSE BOOKS? And you really think that the modern gamer will try Diablo 1 and 2 with their graphics being what they are after being used to HD graphics in games ? You are just totally clueless, man.
The majority of the players will not give a flying F**K about the lore of Diablo 3. I rest my case knowing that I'm right, and let you continue your hilarious debate with your Diablo T-shirt on.
No I don't know the sales records for every Diablo book ever created nor do I feel like trying to find out.
And you are really going to play the graphics "card," when talking about the replayabililty of the previous diablo games...do you really think you can presume to know what other people care about graphics in a game. The perfect example of how graphics are not the determining factor of why people play games, imo, (see what i did there not putting words in every1 in the worlds mouth) is WoW, which has sub par graphics for the engines available today. I know partially the reason behind that is to make the game less demanding on the $$ side of computer construction, but they could do better.
I have to say that everyone with an opinion on everyone elses way of playing is just as sad as the people they feel they are intimidating.
That being said. I am not rushing through with the intent upon World First anything..... I am going to play quick cause that is my playstyle.... I have been waiting a decade for this game as well, just like everyone else, but I wont use the lame ass excuse that it will be the cause of my slow play. I enjoyed both previous Diablo games, and not for their stories or lore. I loved the game play the fast action packed item hunt. The item hunt is the end game after all and a faster playstyles benefits that end.
But to say someone should not play quickly to match their idea of the game and how it should be played simply because you love the lore and what not, is just silly. People play for different reasons. Get over yourselves! First person to 60 will have achieved what they wanted. Your first playthrough a month from, having found and seen everything that you wanted to, will have achieved what you wanted. Dont judge.
I myself will personally skip all cutscenes on every playthrough I ever do. As the lore or story of the game is in no way, shape, or form why I am buying this game. I love the diablo Franchise..... I hate the story.
So you love the franchise but hate the story?, the story is a huge part of the franchise. And in my opinion, yeah diablo is good for it's theme, fast gameplay, demon slaying, glorious item hunt. But without that epic story the game wouldn't be as good as it is. Furthermore no one ever said people will buy the game only for the story.. they won't just buy it all for the gameplay.
Diablo 3 is about story??? EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY FRIENDS who I played Diablo 2 with, including myself, skipped every aspect of "story" surrounding our gameplay. Cinematics, skipped. Lore/Quest talk from NPC's, skipped. We continually dived into the game in search of god gear. Period. I'm pretty sure a good majority of die-hard diablo fans did the same. It wouldn't of mattered to us if the story was about stopping diablo from frying a few eggs. The story was COMPLETELY irrelevant. Grinding and gameplay was all we would witness to.
Diablo 3 is about story??? EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY FRIENDS who I played Diablo 2 with, including myself, skipped every aspect of "story" surrounding our gameplay. Cinematics, skipped. Lore/Quest talk from NPC's, skipped. We continually dived into the game in search of god gear. Period. I'm pretty sure a good majority of die-hard diablo fans did the same. It wouldn't of mattered to us if the story was about stopping diablo from frying a few eggs. The story was COMPLETELY irrelevant. Grinding and gameplay was all we would witness to.
Everyone plays it for their own reasons, that's the point. I like the story and the gameplay, and others like whatever they want. No one is more right than the other.
I grew up gaming without internet forums. The entire phenomenon of being upset with a game developer makes no sense to me. No sense. I cannot imagine spending my time and energy being upset about something I choose to do for recreation.
God this is fucking pathetic. If you don't care for world firsts you shouldn't feel the need to make a post and all the people who clearly don't care either are putting way too much into arguing why they are right and everyone that want to get to the endgame is wrong in their way of playing the game.
World firsts is an important part of video games and without people that actually care for world firsts, min/maxing, etc etc casuals wouldn't be able to enjoy the content as much cause it probably wouldn't be balanced and for diablo there wouldn't be any proper items you could buy (gold or trading I wasn't even talking about rmah). Sure diablo isn't a game like wow where content needs to be fixed and tuned but there will most likely be things that will smash u into the ground in ways it wasn't intended too.
Personally I will play through normal and just chill then grind through the rest but why should I bash on all these people that either go for the more extreme or more casual approach? World first level 60 isn't about time it's about skill. Cause everyone going for it have the same amount of time it's just about who can chain the most xp and abuse/find ways to level faster. Considering most people compared it to wow max level I will do so as well and when the world first is hit in a short time span (everything below a week means that real life isn't the problem. And for wow it's usualy below 24 hours so sleep isn't either) it's all about finding a way to level faster than everyone else not to spend more time. Cause if time was the argument it wouldn't be a race it would just be something people did over months which isn't how it works.
Also none of you have played inferno it could be it isn't about skill at all and just about farming hell for ages for gear and then get lucky with gear. Not saying that's what I think inferno is but for the love of god you have no clue as to how it's tuned yet so stop saying inferno is so special when it comes to skill.
On the lore aspect. Let's be fair the majority of gamers don't give a shit about lore and nor do I really. I cared about starcraft cause I liked the story from sc-bw but most people playing games (even more so online games) couldn't tell you much about the text you could skip. People pulling percentages out of their ass might not be the right way to discuss this but the fact that we are on a forum prob means most care more about the game that the majority of the player base will. And I gotta laugh at the guy that brought up wow lore cause that is the definition of people not caring. Beside what gets told through gameplay the majority of people in wow couldn't tell you why they had to pick up those 10 bones orwhatever it was cause they don't give a shit it's all about the xp they get from the quest.
And guys just because diablo 2 was pretty big for a lot of you doesn't mean that the amount of games there are these days will even have played them (most teens probably haven't and they are a huge part of who is gaming)
Jesus, can people stop quoting 20 posts at a time?
What fun is a world first 60 run if THERE'S NO WAY TO PROVE IT
Yeah this is my feeling as well. I understand the desire to want to be first. I'm as competitive as they come, but without an achievement or some way to unequivocally prove that someone is the first to hit 60, it really loses all significance. Now, first through Normal, Nightmare, Hell and Inferno and even more-so first hardcore through them all...those are the world firsts to push for.
Jesus, can people stop quoting 20 posts at a time?
What fun is a world first 60 run if THERE'S NO WAY TO PROVE IT
Yeah to me this is the big issue here. If Blizzard said they would tell everyone which account got to world's first or which team did it, I'd be fine with it, but right now what we'll see is people on May 16th "faking" first world 60s.
The problem isn't about liking it or not, it's how hard it is to prove it.
Jesus, can people stop quoting 20 posts at a time?
What fun is a world first 60 run if THERE'S NO WAY TO PROVE IT
Yeah this is my feeling as well. I understand the desire to want to be first. I'm as competitive as they come, but without an achievement or some way to unequivocally prove that someone is the first to hit 60, it really loses all significance. Now, first through Normal, Nightmare, Hell and Inferno and even more-so first hardcore through them all...those are the world firsts to push for.
I agree. Even if they did give recognition to something like that it would pale in comparison to a real achievement, like world 1st inferno.
Edit: I wonder if there is going to be a solo and co-op achievement for inferno.
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I know it's hard to believe, but Diablo's fanbase is almost like a cult. A lot of people truly do care about its lore, just like people are rabid about WoW's lore. You really aren't right, but your opinions aren't completely invalid either. A lot of people love the lore, a lot of people don't. It's a stalemate.
Edit- The Sin War trilogy and the Book of Cain are really good reads, and I appreciated the lore behind it. It doesn't make me want to get Tyrael tattoos all over my body, but it really amped me up for D3.
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Its absurd to presume that the majority of the players who will play diablo 3 will be new to the series entirely even lore wise.., and even if by some miracle the playerbase is made up more so of new players to the series then familiar ones, then wouldn't it seem more logical that they would be interested in the story if they haven't played the game before?
Some will pick up the game and be like " I'm killing demons, f*ck yeah!"
Others will be " I'm killing demons, f*ck yeah! but im a little curious as to the story"
You should not care about what other people do in this game or any game.
Just because you don't like the story doesn't mean that millions of people don't.
The only definitive proof for who hit 60 first would have to come from Blizzard.
That being said. I am not rushing through with the intent upon World First anything..... I am going to play quick cause that is my playstyle.... I have been waiting a decade for this game as well, just like everyone else, but I wont use the lame ass excuse that it will be the cause of my slow play. I enjoyed both previous Diablo games, and not for their stories or lore. I loved the game play the fast action packed item hunt. The item hunt is the end game after all and a faster playstyles benefits that end.
But to say someone should not play quickly to match their idea of the game and how it should be played simply because you love the lore and what not, is just silly. People play for different reasons. Get over yourselves! First person to 60 will have achieved what they wanted. Your first playthrough a month from, having found and seen everything that you wanted to, will have achieved what you wanted. Dont judge.
I myself will personally skip all cutscenes on every playthrough I ever do. As the lore or story of the game is in no way, shape, or form why I am buying this game. I love the diablo Franchise..... I hate the story.
Although I am rushing through Normal to make sure I learn as much of the story as possible and to get back to moderating
No I don't know the sales records for every Diablo book ever created nor do I feel like trying to find out.
And you are really going to play the graphics "card," when talking about the replayabililty of the previous diablo games...do you really think you can presume to know what other people care about graphics in a game. The perfect example of how graphics are not the determining factor of why people play games, imo, (see what i did there not putting words in every1 in the worlds mouth) is WoW, which has sub par graphics for the engines available today. I know partially the reason behind that is to make the game less demanding on the $$ side of computer construction, but they could do better.
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So you love the franchise but hate the story?, the story is a huge part of the franchise. And in my opinion, yeah diablo is good for it's theme, fast gameplay, demon slaying, glorious item hunt. But without that epic story the game wouldn't be as good as it is. Furthermore no one ever said people will buy the game only for the story.. they won't just buy it all for the gameplay.
Also, keep it civil or heads will roll
I was going to quote reply you but I might suffer the wrath of the banhammer. Don't worry we shall keep it civil ^^
Everyone plays it for their own reasons, that's the point. I like the story and the gameplay, and others like whatever they want. No one is more right than the other.
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What fun is a world first 60 run if THERE'S NO WAY TO PROVE IT
Yeah this is my feeling as well. I understand the desire to want to be first. I'm as competitive as they come, but without an achievement or some way to unequivocally prove that someone is the first to hit 60, it really loses all significance. Now, first through Normal, Nightmare, Hell and Inferno and even more-so first hardcore through them all...those are the world firsts to push for.
The problem isn't about liking it or not, it's how hard it is to prove it.
I agree. Even if they did give recognition to something like that it would pale in comparison to a real achievement, like world 1st inferno.
Edit: I wonder if there is going to be a solo and co-op achievement for inferno.
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