I already part feel like I've spoilt some of the game story for myself by seeing spoilers in the form of previously data mined art, story predictions, the Act loading screens etc. I'm not going to chance ruining any potentially cool moments by looking at any datamined info if any does turn up.
If it looks like info starts getting leaked and mined and spread across fansites, then it's time for me to take a holiday from DFans until I've finished the game on normal.
It was nice to peak at more than the small stuff Blizz has let us see when we had no idea when we would be laying, now we have a release date, I can wait patiently.
Apparently people feel as though an encryption like this can slowly be cracked, if at all..
So I'll try to make this very clear. Short of having the encryption code, the only way to get *any* encrypted information whatsoever is to have the passkey, this key is probably 128 digits, could be more but I doubt it's necessary. Considering there are a variety of ways to actually use the encryption key, it is not a standard, we'd have to not only be brute forcing trying to guess keys, but we'd also be guessing the encryption type. One of the major advantages of quantum computation is being able to solve a problem exactly like this, and at this point we're still trying to figure out how we can even make a scalable model of quantum computers.
This problem is effectively unsolvable. I would say it is completely unsolvable, but it could be done, but the average time frame to crack a problem like this generally extends well beyond a few months, and in some cases literally is longer than the known age of the universe.
Basically it's more likely that lightning strikes the Blizzard HQ, and that somehow magically unlocks everything.
I already part feel like I've spoilt some of the game story for myself by seeing spoilers in the form of previously data mined art, story predictions, the Act loading screens etc. I'm not going to chance ruining any potentially cool moments by looking at any datamined info if any does turn up.
If it looks like info starts getting leaked and mined and spread across fansites, then it's time for me to take a holiday from DFans until I've finished the game on normal.
It was nice to peak at more than the small stuff Blizz has let us see when we had no idea when we would be laying, now we have a release date, I can wait patiently.
And if it ever comes to that (I understand the odds of it happening, not saying it will) the forum mods will make their best to prevent people from posting spoilers without having huge tags on them, just like when people started datamining stuff from the beta client.
these are the same words that my friend said when asking me to translate a paper done by some kinect researchers at Microsoft.
and.. lets just say it's not an experience that I want to think about often.
People seem pretty set on how secure this supposedly is. I still expect a full data mine from an international site prior to May. I don't foresee emulated servers.
If you knew how these things are encrypted in the past, you wouldn't be thinking that =P Looking through it, theres some more files that are no encrypted, not sure that they are though, so we might see them, but the core stuff, it will be one crazy thing if that happens
I don't see a brute force on the file. I see:
1) disgruntled employees - around 600 recently fired
2) security breaches
3) intentional leaks for marketing/publicity reasons
4) a bypass of the encryption in some manner, not through it.
I'm probably wrong, but generally when there is something this big and people want access to it, it ends up happening.
1) disgruntled employees - around 600 recently fired
2) security breaches
3) intentional leaks for marketing/publicity reasons
4) a bypass of the encryption in some manner, not through it.
I'm probably wrong, but generally when there is something this big and people want access to it, it ends up happening.
This is what I was thinking too. I just hope I have the self control to abstain if the opportunity to peak presents itself.
I'm probably wrong, but generally when there is something this big and people want access to it, it ends up happening.
I'm not so sure about that generalization. This system is the equivalent to steam in terms of the way they can use the online requirement as a way to securely pass the encryption key at a time they choose. I've never seen a pre-download steam game cracked before the official release date, and I've definitely got a few.
Don't confuse this with some of these games being fully cracked for torrenting, that happens. That *isn't* unlocking it through steam, and since Diablo 3 does not use local files for world information, providing a 'offline crack' would require the hacker to create the game world themselves, and guess as to which monsters spawn where, which can only be done accurately after the games release.
In terms of fired employees... they were like call center people and stuff, not people who had access to sensitive information, that likely didn't even exist at the time they were laid off.
Well I don't live far from the Alabama super computer there is always that option if you can gain access.
That computer could not solve this problem.
I'll make this clear. A thousand of them could not solve this problem.
(In two months)
I blame all of you for this...
Let's say it's a 128 encryption, there are 2^128 possible keys. That's about 3 x 10^38 possibilities.
My computer runs 3.2GHz on 4 cores, say 12.8GHz of power. Mine isn't a super computer, so lets just make it one and say it can run a thousand times faster (gross exaggeration), at 13THz. That's 13 x 10^12 Hz. A hert is a cycle per second, so this unimaginably powerful computer can churn out 13 trillion operations per second.
On average this computer would go through about half the total possibilities before finding the right key, lets say. (this is a brute force attack, we could get clever with prime numbers, but it doesn't help much as you'll see..)
So at 13 trillion attempts per second, it would take 2.3 x 10^25 seconds to crack this code. That's 1 x 10^23 years. Or about one trillion trillion years. The estimated time since the big bang is 14 billion years.
Well I don't live far from the Alabama super computer there is always that option if you can gain access.
That computer could not solve this problem.
I'll make this clear. A thousand of them could not solve this problem.
(In two months)
I blame all of you for this...
Let's say it's a 128 encryption, there are 2^128 possible keys. That's about 3 x 10^38 possibilities.
My computer runs 3.2GHz on 4 cores, say 12.8GHz of power. Mine isn't a super computer, so lets just make it one and say it can run a thousand times faster (gross exaggeration), at 13THz. That's 13 x 10^12 Hz. A hert is a cycle per second, so this unimaginably powerful computer can churn out 13 trillion operations per second.
On average this computer would go through about half the total possibilities before finding the right key, lets say. (this is a brute force attack, we could get clever with prime numbers, but it doesn't help much as you'll see..)
So at 13 trillion attempts per second, it would take 2.3 x 10^25 seconds to crack this code. That's 1 x 10^23 years. Or about one trillion trillion years.
Well I don't live far from the Alabama super computer there is always that option if you can gain access.
That computer could not solve this problem.
I'll make this clear. A thousand of them could not solve this problem.
(In two months)
I blame all of you for this...
Let's say it's a 128 encryption, there are 2^128 possible keys. That's about 3 x 10^38 possibilities.
My computer runs 3.2GHz on 4 cores, say 12.8GHz of power. Mine isn't a super computer, so lets just make it one and say it can run a thousand times faster (gross exaggeration), at 13THz. That's 13 x 10^12 Hz. A hert is a cycle per second, so this unimaginably powerful computer can churn out 13 trillion operations per second.
On average this computer would go through about half the total possibilities before finding the right key, lets say. (this is a brute force attack, we could get clever with prime numbers, but it doesn't help much as you'll see..)
So at 13 trillion attempts per second, it would take 2.3 x 10^25 seconds to crack this code. That's 1 x 10^23 years. Or about one trillion trillion years. The estimated time since the big bang is 14 billion years.
Well said. Though, I am a level 85 Warlock and I can use my power to get us the full game. Jk though.
Well I don't live far from the Alabama super computer there is always that option if you can gain access.
That computer could not solve this problem.
I'll make this clear. A thousand of them could not solve this problem.
(In two months)
I blame all of you for this...
Let's say it's a 128 encryption, there are 2^128 possible keys. That's about 3 x 10^38 possibilities.
My computer runs 3.2GHz on 4 cores, say 12.8GHz of power. Mine isn't a super computer, so lets just make it one and say it can run a thousand times faster (gross exaggeration), at 13THz. That's 13 x 10^12 Hz. A hert is a cycle per second, so this unimaginably powerful computer can churn out 13 trillion operations per second.
On average this computer would go through about half the total possibilities before finding the right key, lets say. (this is a brute force attack, we could get clever with prime numbers, but it doesn't help much as you'll see..)
So at 13 trillion attempts per second, it would take 2.3 x 10^25 seconds to crack this code. That's 1 x 10^23 years. Or about one trillion trillion years.
+1, you get it.
Very good description, I'd just like to point out you screwed up on the math converting seconds to years though, I just did that calculation and the number came out to 2.79*1017 years. No big deal I just thought I'd mention for the sake of clarity, It's still a ludicrous amount of time.
Very good description, I'd just like to point out you screwed up on the math converting seconds to years though, I just did that calculation and the number came out to 2.79*1017 years. No big deal I just thought I'd mention for the sake of clarity, It's still a ludicrous amount of time.
Yep you're right. I accidentally multiplied by 365 instead of dividing, but I'll go ahead and blame wolfram anyway.
Now that I think about it I'm the idiot, since wolfram actually just has a seconds to year converter.
Something else to think about is that if someone wants it bad enough they will try their hardest to get it. Since you like numbers let's throw some others around.
There's 60 days between now and D3 release.
60 days is 1440 hours.
Let's say there's 1000 people out there (probably grossly under exaggerated) trying to crack this thing.
1000 people x a possible 1440 hours = 1,440,000 hours possibly spent
1,440,000 hours = 60,000 days
60,000 days = ~164.5 years of possible work
I wouldn't be surprised if China has an army working on this thing right now to get a jump on the market.
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I know, I was about to use some of those as a new wallpaper for my galaxy nexus.
Apparently people feel as though an encryption like this can slowly be cracked, if at all..
So I'll try to make this very clear. Short of having the encryption code, the only way to get *any* encrypted information whatsoever is to have the passkey, this key is probably 128 digits, could be more but I doubt it's necessary. Considering there are a variety of ways to actually use the encryption key, it is not a standard, we'd have to not only be brute forcing trying to guess keys, but we'd also be guessing the encryption type. One of the major advantages of quantum computation is being able to solve a problem exactly like this, and at this point we're still trying to figure out how we can even make a scalable model of quantum computers.
This problem is effectively unsolvable. I would say it is completely unsolvable, but it could be done, but the average time frame to crack a problem like this generally extends well beyond a few months, and in some cases literally is longer than the known age of the universe.
Basically it's more likely that lightning strikes the Blizzard HQ, and that somehow magically unlocks everything.
so basically the same chance as me understanding what the f- quantum computing is huh?
You are Korean - I guarantee you can figure it out!
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It's really not as hard as people make it sound.
these are the same words that my friend said when asking me to translate a paper done by some kinect researchers at Microsoft.
and.. lets just say it's not an experience that I want to think about often.
I don't see a brute force on the file. I see:
1) disgruntled employees - around 600 recently fired
2) security breaches
3) intentional leaks for marketing/publicity reasons
4) a bypass of the encryption in some manner, not through it.
I'm probably wrong, but generally when there is something this big and people want access to it, it ends up happening.
This is what I was thinking too. I just hope I have the self control to abstain if the opportunity to peak presents itself.
I'm not so sure about that generalization. This system is the equivalent to steam in terms of the way they can use the online requirement as a way to securely pass the encryption key at a time they choose. I've never seen a pre-download steam game cracked before the official release date, and I've definitely got a few.
Don't confuse this with some of these games being fully cracked for torrenting, that happens. That *isn't* unlocking it through steam, and since Diablo 3 does not use local files for world information, providing a 'offline crack' would require the hacker to create the game world themselves, and guess as to which monsters spawn where, which can only be done accurately after the games release.
In terms of fired employees... they were like call center people and stuff, not people who had access to sensitive information, that likely didn't even exist at the time they were laid off.
That computer could not solve this problem.
I'll make this clear. A thousand of them could not solve this problem.
(In two months)
I blame all of you for this...
Let's say it's a 128 encryption, there are 2^128 possible keys. That's about 3 x 10^38 possibilities.
My computer runs 3.2GHz on 4 cores, say 12.8GHz of power. Mine isn't a super computer, so lets just make it one and say it can run a thousand times faster (gross exaggeration), at 13THz. That's 13 x 10^12 Hz. A hert is a cycle per second, so this unimaginably powerful computer can churn out 13 trillion operations per second.
On average this computer would go through about half the total possibilities before finding the right key, lets say. (this is a brute force attack, we could get clever with prime numbers, but it doesn't help much as you'll see..)
So at 13 trillion attempts per second, it would take 2.3 x 10^25 seconds to crack this code. That's 1 x 10^23 years. Or about one trillion trillion years. The estimated time since the big bang is 14 billion years.
+1, you get it.
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Well said. Though, I am a level 85 Warlock and I can use my power to get us the full game. Jk though.
Yep you're right. I accidentally multiplied by 365 instead of dividing, but I'll go ahead and blame wolfram anyway.
Now that I think about it I'm the idiot, since wolfram actually just has a seconds to year converter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmjHT5GpAYQ
There's 60 days between now and D3 release.
60 days is 1440 hours.
Let's say there's 1000 people out there (probably grossly under exaggerated) trying to crack this thing.
1000 people x a possible 1440 hours = 1,440,000 hours possibly spent
1,440,000 hours = 60,000 days
60,000 days = ~164.5 years of possible work
I wouldn't be surprised if China has an army working on this thing right now to get a jump on the market.