Development and Delays

  • #1
    Everyone and their dog keeps making posts about Blizzard delaying release of Diablo for financial reasons. I'm going to ignore all the reasons that this idea is ridiculous.

    AFTER listing them.

    1.)Delaying past Christmas misses the biggest sales period of the year, which will surely lose them hundreds of thousands of sales

    2.)Continuing production means paying all the developers working on it for that much longer, further decreasing the net profit

    3.)The beta still has plenty of bugs, battlenet features are unfinished, and the runes system is still being fooled around with, so clearly it's not ready for release

    4.)Delaying release makes stockholders nervous, and since information given to them is public, we know what they know, and they have been notified of no sinister delay conspiracy. So Blizzard would be devaluing its own stock.

    5.)It's fucking Blizzard. Since when are long development cycles unusual?

    But we're ignoring this, because the most ridiculous part isn't all the very obvious reasons why the idea is insane. The most ridiculous part is the fact that some people think that their own personal convenience means more than the budgets and development cycles and physical health of the development team.

    People working on Diablo 3 have been in crunch time (60+ hour weeks) for something like eight months. The company has sank millions of dollars into the project. The development team has spent 5+ years of their lives putting their blood, sweat, and tears into the game.

    But your own impatience overrules all objections. The game should be released NOW, because you're tired of waiting. It's not like there are any other things in your entire life you could be doing.

    If that doesn't sound not only absurd, but incredibly callous, then you have some life issues to work out.
  • #2
    Quote from OmniNom

    Everyone and their dog (...)

    But your own impatience overrules all objections.


    I would give you +5 if I could. I gave +1 and 5 stars.

    I agree with almost everything you said. Except for Christmas. I used to work in retail/appliances store (that was also selling games) and I can tell you income in December is 3 times as big as in January. And December is one fine month to be selling stuff.
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  • #3
    Hey man I've been playing Blizzard games since like 1945, that makes me entitled.
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  • #4
    Quote from tommmmmm

    Quote from OmniNom

    Everyone and their dog (...)

    But your own impatience overrules all objections.


    I would give you +5 if I could. I gave +1 and 5 stars.

    I agree with almost everything you said. Except for Christmas. I used to work in retail/appliances store (that was also selling games) and I can tell you income in December is 3 times as big as in January. And December is one fine month to be selling stuff.

    But...the point of this post...goes against what you said in yours...but you just said you agreed with it...

    my mind....its blown...
  • #5
    Quote from tommmmmm

    Quote from OmniNom

    Everyone and their dog (...)

    But your own impatience overrules all objections.


    I would give you +5 if I could. I gave +1 and 5 stars.

    I agree with almost everything you said. Except for Christmas. I used to work in retail/appliances store (that was also selling games) and I can tell you income in December is 3 times as big as in January. And December is one fine month to be selling stuff.


    get your thoughts sorted dude first you agree with him ergo you are disagreeing with your own post in your latest thread. then you disagree with the christmas thing and then you make a statement that income in december is 3 times as bg as january.

    PS: great post OP
  • #6
    ROFL I like how someone rated this with a 1 star...someones mad.
  • #7
    I WANT THIS GAME...NOWWW!!!!!














    :troll:

    +1 btw
  • #8
    I want to give a big plus to the OP.

    To be honest I was one of the panicing ones when I heard the rumors about the delay, and was even thinking about writing a nerd-raging-comic-strip about it (it involved certain Blizzard game directors being eaten by zombies) but... reading his had calmed me down a bit and reminded me that Blizzard are probably not delaying the game just for their own amusement. Unless they are... which... sucks. But I hope they don't!

    Anyhow... yeah... good point OP and nice write up :)
  • #9
    The real question isn't "when will it arrive?", it is, "will it be worth it?"

    Though I do agree with the OP.
  • #10
    Agreed. While we all want the game out now, we have been waiting 10 years for it. But I might have to disagree about the Christmas part. I am no business wiz and I am basing it off of my own experience. But I would say the weeks after Christmas could be bigger then before it because you got a lot of people with free money that they feel that they should spend. If Diablo 3 was announced to be release during that time, I think they could earn a good amount of money. But one this is for certain, they got the fan base to still earn a profit regardless of when they release.

    Off-topic though, I got about $120 sitting on the side for my Collectors Edition that I pre-ordered for when the release is upon us.
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  • #11
    Quote from Drkclone

    Agreed. While we all want the game out now, we have been waiting 10 years for it. But I might have to disagree about the Christmas part. I am no business wiz and I am basing it off of my own experience. But I would say the weeks after Christmas could be bigger then before it because you got a lot of people with free money that they feel that they should spend. If Diablo 3 was announced to be release during that time, I think they could earn a good amount of money. But one this is for certain, they got the fan base to still earn a profit regardless of when they release.

    Off-topic though, I got about $120 sitting on the side for my Collectors Edition that I pre-ordered for when the release is upon us.


    Try February, people are so broke after Christmas they invented valentines day to start up some sort of sale crap to stimulate retail.

    Nice post OP.
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  • #12
    Not a single development team in the gaming franchise gets the credit they deserve. None of them are ever in the spotlights, only those at the top of each specific development team within a game's pipeline. They all work massive amounts of OT pre-launch and post-launch and never get any credit for that and their actual results --- our beloved Diablo III in this case!

    So yes, I think it's important to appreciate this.


    However....

    The truth is they will have the same work hours post-launch, because only a fraction of the content is being tested in their beta! I can only imagine the amount of bugs we will find in the other content, starting about 1 hour after the servers go live. Yeah its being tested internally, but even 100 people doing the same content all the way to level 60 up to Inferno difficulty will only find a fraction of the bugs in the game. That means Blizzard is either comfortable with core mechanisms and level 13+ content (which means it should be done real soon now), or they really tripped over their own feet. I find it very strange that they really don't want more content mass-tested, albeit without lore-specific quests/events.

    I'm also kind of confused by the length of the delay. Blizzard has more experience than 99/100 other development teams in the gaming industry, so how could they have miscalculated this so badly?

    I'm not sure what's going on just like everyone else, but I do know that we are the reason they can even afford all of this OT, let alone delay the game to early 2k12. That's got to stand for something right? Or do we have no say in this just because "it's not done"? That's the real question... and so that's what I ask myself when I see people actually get angry over the delay.

    But yes, they are working very hard and the bottom line is they are just human too. We can't expect miracles and just like any other project - it needs time. I'm positive that it'll be worth the wait!
  • #13
    Great post! I completely agree. People are getting so impatient and all they want to do about it is complain. May as well do something else that will keep your mind off of it instead of making it worse for yourself.
  • #14
    Quote from rEDNiNE



    I'm also kind of confused by the length of the delay. Blizzard has more experience than 99/100 other development teams in the gaming industry, so how could they have miscalculated this so badly?


    Yes they do have experience, and they know maken the best game possible is what they want.

    People seem to forget, this is the same company that had an almost finished game, and 100% scraped it to never be released, because it was not good enough FOR THEM.

    I trust blizzard more than any other company (while it seems more and more people dont know-a-days which makes no since to me) I know they will do whats best for the game, and make the best game they can, that meets their standards(and I like their standards)
  • #15
    Quote from OmniNom

    It's not like there are any other things in your entire life you could be doing.


    I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS!



    Edit: Mol was that the Thrall adventure game?
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  • #16
    Quote from Graphics_I

    Quote from OmniNom

    It's not like there are any other things in your entire life you could be doing.


    I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS!



    Edit: Mol was that the Thrall adventure game?

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  • #17
    Quote from Molster

    Quote from rEDNiNE



    I'm also kind of confused by the length of the delay. Blizzard has more experience than 99/100 other development teams in the gaming industry, so how could they have miscalculated this so badly?


    People seem to forget, this is the same company that had an almost finished game, and 100% scrapped it to never be released, because it was not good enough FOR THEM.


    While I think your post wasn't meant for this, the bolded part is exactly what I meant with my post, which I'll re-phrase.

    Since we pay for all of this development/OT/delay in the first place, is it really inappropriate for us to say something about the delay? Is it really unacceptable for us to moan about it simply because the game isn't done yet?

    Ultimately I think this is a good point because Blizzard needs to do it for us, not for them, which - correctly pointed out by Molster - is exactly what they've done in the past!

    I too trust in Blizzard fully and I'm certain D3 will be a master piece, but I think it's very important to realize that we do have something to say about the delay as long as it's constructive.
  • #18
    Quote from Kelsper_652482

    The real question isn't "when will it arrive?", it is, "will it be worth it?"

    Though I do agree with the OP.


    I agree with everything posted in the OP as I've thought most of the same thing over the last few months, but this post matches my current thinking lately.

    I know Blizzard are sensible and experienced enough to wait if they feel it's right, and I trust their decisions over my impatience any day. Unfortunately there will come a time when the hype machine builds everything up to a massive peak, then keeps you hanging for longer than expected until you get your hands on it and think "was that it?".

    Ok, it bothers me a little, but only for the bad press Diablo might get after. I for one will be playing it like a bitch for months with an attitude like a 6 year old at Christmas with every present he ever wanted.
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  • #19
    Quote from rEDNiNE

    Quote from Molster

    Quote from rEDNiNE



    I'm also kind of confused by the length of the delay. Blizzard has more experience than 99/100 other development teams in the gaming industry, so how could they have miscalculated this so badly?


    People seem to forget, this is the same company that had an almost finished game, and 100% scrapped it to never be released, because it was not good enough FOR THEM.


    While I think your post wasn't meant for this, the bolded part is exactly what I meant with this part of my post: [i]Since we pay for all of this development/OT/delay in the first place, is it really inappropriate for us to say something about the delay? Is it really unacceptable for us to moan about it simply because the game isn't done yet?

    Ultimately I think this is a good point because Blizzard needs to do it for us, not for them. And they have done exactly that in the past.

    As there is no release date, there is no delay =P (Im just kidding, I hate that argument).

    I don't think inappropriate is the right word... Its more of there's no reason to, Blizzard is going to make the best game they can, if you know anything about blizzard, you would know this (not "you" but you as in people). They are not going to delay it for the heck of it either, profits mean a everything to them as well (They are a company). But what is the point of people complaining about a release date doing? How dare they put everything they have into a game to make it the best the can, and they way the want before the release it?

    Thats just how I feel people act, just like the OP said, they dont think about all this, its about "I want the game, its not out yet, blizzards has no idea what they are doing"

    The second blizzard does it for "us" over "them" is the second their games become the next COD:MW5

    They make the game for them and us, by saying they make it for them, I mean they arnt going to release something that does not meet with their standards, thats not something most game companies do now adays.
  • #20
    Well they couldve communicated a little better and instilled more certainty and confidence in the fanbase, but the truth is that the end result would be the same - the game comes out and we are playing it ^_^
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