Achievements!

  • #41
    Quote from Corpsie

    Problem is your freely allowed to participate in the acquiring of Achievements Blizzard isn't telling you to do anything, they are simply giving you more things to do in the game.
    Achievements don't give you more things to do in game. If they removed achievements you could still do each and every action required for the achievements. But you would not get joy out of them because they joy is derived from completing a task sole because someone told you to do it.



    You could use your exact same argument for anything in game, why kill that mob? because Blizzard told you that if you kill it you might get a pretty orange item! oh wow I'm going to go do that now, thanks Blizzard!


    I disagree. My argument is that the only joy you get from an achievement is the fact that you completed a task that someone else told you to complete. If there were no achievements, you could still complete these tasks on your own. If you consider this achievement-free approach to not be fun, then the fun from achievements is derived from actually completing a task that someone else told you to complete, not simply completing the task.
  • #42
    I hope they don't add so much "not-achievements" achievements into the game, you know the ones you get while playing the game normally. (Gratz you reached lvl 1-achievement, Gratz you reached lvl 2-achievement etc etc) Because for these you don't achieve something really special, its like saying "wow you can walk in a straight line!"

    So I'm hoping they add a lot like this one SK Achievement where you have to bring him to kill his own minions. Things you actually have to try and not get them automatically
  • #43
    @Smoreschnapps... even if i may agree with your view... many people like to feel that they complete an important "to-do" list... it gives them some joy, and an incentive to "work-on" for something... even if its meaningless...
    (lets say, its just a hobby...like colecting bottle-caps)...
    ..personally i dont care about achievments, if along my play-through happens to get any, thats fine...if not, thats fine too.... but for Blizz to put them there, means that a big player-base ask/want them...
    so, i think there is no need for someone to tell to anyone what to like, or not... everybody see things with his/her own eye...
    (to put it more simply: your 12y/o self, see things different from your 50y/o self ;)
  • #44
    Quote from Smoreschnapps

    Quote from Corpsie

    Problem is your freely allowed to participate in the acquiring of Achievements Blizzard isn't telling you to do anything, they are simply giving you more things to do in the game.
    Achievements don't give you more things to do in game. If they removed achievements you could still do each and every action required for the achievements. But you would not get joy out of them because they joy is derived from completing a task sole because someone told you to do it.



    You could use your exact same argument for anything in game, why kill that mob? because Blizzard told you that if you kill it you might get a pretty orange item! oh wow I'm going to go do that now, thanks Blizzard!


    I disagree. My argument is that the only joy you get from an achievement is the fact that you completed a task that someone else told you to complete. If there were no achievements, you could still complete these tasks on your own. If you consider this achievement-free approach to not be fun, then the fun from achievements is derived from actually completing a task that someone else told you to complete, not simply completing the task.


    I see it as, I was doing all these actions anyway, so why not get recognition for doing them to further increase my enjoyment for doing them. Blizzard isn't tell me to kill 1000 elites because they provide me with some flashy lights when I do it, Blizzard is giving me flashy lights because I finally reached the 1000 elite I was going to already kill.
    a good majority of people don't play the game to receive the achievements, they do the achievements while playing the game, thats the difference.

    So unless you play the game purely to do the achievements, you are not being told what to do.
  • #45
    Quote from Corpsie

    Quote from Smoreschnapps

    Quote from Corpsie

    Problem is your freely allowed to participate in the acquiring of Achievements Blizzard isn't telling you to do anything, they are simply giving you more things to do in the game.
    Achievements don't give you more things to do in game. If they removed achievements you could still do each and every action required for the achievements. But you would not get joy out of them because they joy is derived from completing a task sole because someone told you to do it.



    You could use your exact same argument for anything in game, why kill that mob? because Blizzard told you that if you kill it you might get a pretty orange item! oh wow I'm going to go do that now, thanks Blizzard!


    I disagree. My argument is that the only joy you get from an achievement is the fact that you completed a task that someone else told you to complete. If there were no achievements, you could still complete these tasks on your own. If you consider this achievement-free approach to not be fun, then the fun from achievements is derived from actually completing a task that someone else told you to complete, not simply completing the task.


    I see it as, I was doing all these actions anyway, so why not get recognition for doing them to further increase my enjoyment for doing them. Blizzard isn't tell me to kill 1000 elites because they provide me with some flashy lights when I do it, Blizzard is giving me flashy lights because I finally reached the 1000 elite I was going to already kill.
    a good majority of people don't play the game to receive the achievements, they do the achievements while playing the game, thats the difference.

    So unless you play the game purely to do the achievements, you are not being told what to do.


    I agree with your purpose of achievements. Basically a log book, counting the things you've done. I'd rather have an expansive log book that keeps track of everything.

    Though some achievements I'm sure won't be accomplished unless you specifically try for them. And there will be some that would eventually be achieved but some want to get it done ASAP.

    I don't care if they are in the game, but I do hope that they integrate achievements into the public game UI. Similar to joining a game where players doing the same quest as you, you could join a game where players are doing the same achievement as you.
  • #46
    Achievement generally present optional challenges. If you are not up for these challenges, that's fine.

    Calling people that want to do them "trained dogs", though - that says a lot more about you than it does about them.

    Just because there is something you can't or wont do, it doesn't make the people who can and want inferior to you. That's a very bad view on life and people.
  • #47
    Quote from Wingless

    Achievement generally present optional challenges. If you are not up for these challenges, that's fine.

    Calling people that want to do them "trained dogs", though - that says a lot more about you than it does about them.

    Just because there is something you can't or wont do, it doesn't make the people who can and want inferior to you. That's a very bad view on life and people.


    Most arent even optional challenges, they are freebies that you get for doing nothing.

    Its a perfect example of the worship of mediocrity in the US.
    "You didn't lose Timmy, you were the last winner."

    It serves to do nothing but degenerate society.
    Do you want to get scammed? Perhaps a nice keylogger?
    "Just google "diablo 3 gold guide" and magical rainbow covered demons will assault your eyes."
  • #48
    People seens to get achiveements all wrong.

    I've fun with achievements not because Blizz telled me to do (the "dog" analogy is poor). Achievements are fun because they creat a common standard for prowess in the community.

    For example, i've played D2 a few times in HC without equiping any items (for the sake of the challenge). I've beated nightmare, but never past Hell Duriel.
    Doing that was fun, but it would be MUCH better if I could prove i actually did that and if playing D2 naked was a common value in the community. Because of the absense of achievements, any bnet jackass who farms 24/7 to get all those rare runes thinks they are better then me, when they don't have 5% of my skill.

    Creating a common set of goals in the community is important for any game.

    And achievents are not "freebies". Theres two kind of achievements:
    1) Passive: Those are achievements that don't twist you path in the game. They are there only to show how far you've gone.
    Ex: Finish the game in difficulty X, kill certain bosss in Hell, grab X amounts of golds.

    2) Active: achievements that twist one's path in the game. You have to "stop" your progression and complete that challenge.
    Ex: Kill a boss with a certain counter protuctive strategy, explore all maps in the games.

    Noone of those two kinds of achivements are "freebies". One only shows your natural progression in the game while the second shows your prowess in optional ways.
    "In time the hissing of her sanity
    Faded out her voice and soiled her name
    And like marked pages in a diary
    Everything seemed clean that is unstained
    The incoherent talk of ordinary days
    Why would we really need to live?
    Decide what is clear and what's within a haze
    What you should take and what to give" - Opeth
  • #49
    can wait for the achivements
  • #50
    http://i.imgur.com/4Rejw.jpg

    Just got all the achievements. That was fun.
  • #51
    I'm really enjoying achievements so far.
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