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HUGE UPDATE: PTR 2.4.2 changes!

=> http://d3resource.com/difficulties/ <=

New thread: http://www.diablofans.com/forums/diablo-iii-general-forums/diablo-iii-general-discussion/211419-difficulty-overview-2-4-2-html-view

• The monster HP and damage increase is a pretty stable increase (and values up to TX haven't changed on PTR, I checked that). I extrapolated those values and also cross-checked with Ghom T10-T13 values on PTR (for HP). I've rounded up the last few digits for HP as that's an estimate; I'm sure Blizzard will update the Game Guide when the patch is out. The damage increase is a very straightforward progression and therefore those values are pretty much correct down to the last digit, I assume.
• XP/gold changes are taken from in-game tool tips on the difficulty selection screen.
• Legendary drop rates have never been confirmed for T7+ (Wyatt once posted them for up to T6), but no one ever complained and they "feel about right". Again, the increase from T1 to T6 followed a steady formula, so I just extrapolated up to T13.
• Death's Breaths: I did some runs and also watched some videos, and also checked lower difficulties (99% sure those are unchanged). T13 seems to have guaranteed 2 DB drops and a chance for 3rd, from my testing 25% looked about right and also makes sense in terms of the other values. But it could also be anything between 15% and 50%. More data welcome.
• Bounty cache mats is confirmed by multiple posts on the PTR forums.
• GR keys is hard to tell, as the patch notes are relatively vague and it needs a TON of data to test this for every difficulty. If you look at the wording the scaling I assumed makes most sense (10% increase per difficulty). But this is where we need most data!
• Keywarden machine drop - again, interpreting the patch notes this was the only progression that made sense in my opinion. But if anyone wants to go through the effort to do a large sample of keywardens to confirm/update this data, you're welcome.
• I have no idea about the horadric cache legendaries. Honestly, I myself don't have the time to run dozen of bounties on T11-T13...
• Ubers (update): Did a few T13 runs and got 3 organs every time. This has to be a joke... Realm of Fright on T13 ain't no joke (it feels like fighting 3 GR80 rift guardians), it should reward at least 5 mats.

TL;DR: Most data is extrapolated or "patch note interpretation" and probably pretty accurate. Need data on GR keys, machine/organ drops, cache legendaries.

Want to help out? Please consider logging your PTR drop rates and submit your data here:

tinyurl.com/ptr242

Ubers (update): Did a few T13 runs and got 3 organs every time. This has to be a joke... Realm of Fright on T13 ain't no joke (it feels like fighting 3 GR80 rift guardians), it should reward at least 5 mats.

Because Uber Diablo is no joke, basically any mistake means you might die, I think with anything below 100m toughness many of his attacks can even one-shot you. And if you then get Maghda... have fun. Of course I was super unoptimized and everything, in the end most people are gonna roflstomp T13 (and would probably find a way to do T20 with ease). But it was not a cakewalk as I would've thought, even though I had 3m sheet DPS and 200m toughness (WD).

Oh I absolutely agree, I'm not saying they're too strong. I'm just saying that for the increase from TX to T13 an increase from 2.5 to 3 mats per kill is a joke.

(Also, difficult or easy is relative; I went in there with no preparation and a ridiculous spec, with proper setup everything becomes easy at some point in D3, just like TX ubers never were a challenge and stood up to their name. I'd love to see the ubers drop 10 mats each, but be so hard that failure is a realistic option.)

Turned this into a new thread as the PTR graph otherwise is hidden somewhere in the middle of a few posts.

Changed the layout again... especially the "2x 25%" for a 25% chance for a second drop is now "2nd 25%" after some feedback from Reddit:

http://d3resource.com/difficulties-ptr.png

Any feedback appreciated, might actually change the current live display as well if people think it looks better. Also some other changes and some small number updates - went to PTR to test some values (including T6 ubers which seemed to be totally off for months, but I guess no one does/cares about T6 ubers ;-)).

Still looking for volunteers crazy enough to do T13 bounties for counting cache materials

Quote from Madonnalicious»

Hey! I studied (is that a word?) the link you provided, and there is most definitely a mistake in the Uber drop material (last line). From T8 until and including T12, the number of organs needs to be 3 instead of 2! Think about it, and you'll see that it's right that way!
If you think about it, we've all had 3 organs drop sometimes in T10 in the past! Lowering that chance now doesn't make sense!

Quote from Demonmonger»

It is clearly a typo, and nice catch

Exactly :-) Thanks, fixed!

I'm pretty sure that the organ and DB drop rates are pretty accurate (especially the 25% for a 3rd on T13 seems to fit). However, I have a feeling the GR key scaling is off. I did some rifts and watched quite a few PTR VoDs and it looks like the T13 key droprate is more like 25% for a 3rd key. If that's the case, I'd need to find out the scaling for lower GRs. Anyone got data on that? I can't test PTR for at least a day (accidentally copied my "Americas" profile... meh). In general, any links to VoDs of streamers testing PTR would be welcome (I know Quin is testing a lot, so linking that is unnecessary, already watched that). Reviewing those will increase my sample size a lot (if they do Nephalem Rifts, of course).

Currently the data seems to converge at 25% for the 3rd key on T13, so I adjusted the numbers in some odd way such that they fit. At this point, testing lower difficulties might actually be more helpful - especially to figure out the last difficulty on which you can actually get one key instead of two. Anyways: table updated.

Quote from Hurric4n»

I think the explanation for the horadric cache materials below Torment level is wrong.

You get 2 Mats at Level 70, but only 1 Material when you are below Level 70.

But still, very nice work, keep it up.

That's a different issue: you get 1 material below level 70, yes, but on EVERY DIFFICULTY (even Torment 10, IIRC).

The chart is only about level 70. I tested this on PTR, did a "Master" bounty run on level 70, got 2 mats from the bounty cache and 1 mat from the bonus cache.

// Edit: Locked this thread because it was only temporary anyways - thanks for all the help.