From my experience, the "hackers" and "Griefers" WERE the ones that mostly PK'ed. The "kids" that had no other way to "vent" than by the pleasure of PK'ing. I am not saying you are one of those. Just understand how a good thing can be abused. I will say it a 3rd time. I am not suggesting we take the PK'ing out. Just the RANDOM PK'ing upon players who MIGHT want a relaxing MP game with friends. The duel option will remain, I do beleve.
Well i respectfully disagree... there are ways that griefing and hacking can be taken care of on the new bnet... but PK is simply part of this game and should not be an option... dieing to a player is the same thing as dieing to a mob in diablo. Not in every game is it like this.. but it always has been for diablo... in my opinion, the opinion of a true diablo franchise fan, this should not be an option.
I'd rather have the ability to PK for the reason to laugh at people attempting to kill me as opposed to joining random games to kill a player. If you actually have a clue how to play and learn to play your character well, you can deal with your average player laughably easy.
It's not the idea that I want to actively seek out killing players in the game, but the fact that you CAN that leads me to support PKing. I want the ability to enforce myself on players who are crowding my areas. I want to be able to get revenge on that guy who just trained through half the map to kill the rare spawn before I could. I want a way to shut up a shit talker without ignoring him. You think people are immature with the hostile button? Imagine how bad things are going to be without one. People aren't going to attempt to kill you, they are going to grief you by stealing your kills, training mobs on you, and doing whatever they can to make your game miserable. The best part? There's nothing you can do to stop them except leave the game. Gee, this sounds familiar, except in the other scenario you can do something about it instead of get trampled on.
Imagine a game without cheats or exploits. Using the current d2 system, the player would have to be in town, click hostile to you, and then run from the entrance of the spawn to where you are. That gives you ADEQUATE time to do whatever it takes to be prepared to fight or get out. This whole "not prepared, easy kill" argument is garbage. You can easily be prepared to face whatever comes at you in a game. Take some time to learn how to do it and you will have a lot of fun embarassing players.
Again, I speak from experience. In D2, MOST of the time they would enable the "hostle" once they were in the vacinity of where you were. Granted IDK if that was changed AFTER I stopped playing the MP feature of D2. So at least with that said. My suggestion is valid.
Again, I speak from experience. In D2, MOST of the time they would enable the "hostle" once they were in the vacinity of where you were. Granted IDK if that was changed AFTER I stopped playing the MP feature of D2. So at least with that said. My suggestion is valid.
In D2 you could only go hostile from town. Then if you had any TPs up, once hostile they would disappear.
There was no way to go hostile once in the vacinity of another player, you had to search and seize.
In D2 you could only go hostile from town. Then if you had any TPs up, once hostile they would disappear.
There was no way to go hostile once in the vacinity of another player, you had to search and seize.
yes.. its actually quite a bit of work on the PKers part to actually find you and then pk you. if they are gonna put in enough effort to do that, there are plenty of options you have before they get to you. it sucks you have to stop everything your doing and react to what they are doing, but its part of the game.
Well i respectfully disagree... there are ways that griefing and hacking can be taken care of on the new bnet... but PK is simply part of this game and should not be an option... dieing to a player is the same thing as dieing to a mob in diablo. Not in every game is it like this.. but it always has been for diablo... in my opinion, the opinion of a true diablo franchise fan, this should not be an option.
Well I have pwned a mob only to be low on health only to be pwned by a random pk'er. THAT is not fun. That makes you curse like a sailor. Especially if you loose a hard earned item.... like I have. Also, to say I am not a fan just because I suggest a certain option that you don't agree with doesn't mean (1. any less of a fan than you and (2. that it would be implemented. We can agree to disagree and go from there. I've done enough PvP in MANY other games to honstly say that PK'ing itself should not be removed from the game.
yes.. its actually quite a bit of work on the PKers part to actually find you and then pk you. if they are gonna put in enough effort to do that, there are plenty of options you have before they get to you. it sucks you have to stop everything your doing and react to what they are doing, but its part of the game.
The argument that we should be able to set games to PK or not is not viable. If that is implimented then everyone will set their games to non-pk and then the only games that will be PK-able would be duel games.. or games that will eventually be turned into duel games because PKers only have a choice of 1 or 2 out of thousands of games which they can join.
Why can't you people accept that you might get PKd once every 2 days.. its the damn game!
You are by your own post admitting that most people don't like Pk " everyone will set their games to non-pk " if someone doesn't want to PK that is there option. if you want to PK it is your option we shouldn't have to be chased around from game to game just so someone can get their rocks off by having your ear, given the option I will ALWAY! be anti Pk if Pk'ers stay in their games then I'll stay in mine.
Well I have pwned a mob only to be low on health only to be pwned by a random pk'er. THAT is not fun. That makes you curse like a sailor. Especially if you loose a hard earned item.... like I have. Also, to say I am not a fan just because I suggest a certain option that you don't agree with doesn't mean (1. any less of a fan than you and (2. that it would be implemented. We can agree to disagree and go from there. I've done enough PvP in MANY other games to honstly say that PK'ing itself should not be removed from the game.
The main issue here at this point, however, is that to do anything to change the PvP system of diablo at all.. besideas fix the obvious problems such as griefing and hackes.. would be doing a great disservice to a unique game.
You are flat out wrong. You can only hostile in towns! In D2 that's the way it's been from the beginging, you could never hostile outside towns. What you are talking about is Diablo 1, where you could hostile anywhere. We're sure seeing your experience talking.
I'm assuming you have an original unpatched copy of D2?
I'm assuming you have an original unpatched copy of D2?
with an original unpatched copy of d2 you wouldnt be able to play on bnet.. so you wouldnt be able to get pk'ed in the first place... where are you going with this comment??
You are by your own post admitting that most people don't like Pk " everyone will set their games to non-pk " if someone doesn't want to PK that is there option. if you want to PK it is your option we shouldn't have to be chased around from game to game just so someone can get their rocks off by having your ear, given the option I will ALWAY! be anti Pk if Pk'ers stay in their games then I'll stay in mine.
I am not admitting that people dont like it.. im merely saying that given the choice, any rational person will make a game in which they dont want to pvp, a non pk game, and the ones that they do, a pk game... thus effectively ending the true purpose of implementing PK in the game cause every game that is PK-enabled will just be a consensual dueling game.
with an original unpatched copy of d2 you wouldnt be able to play on bnet.. so you wouldnt be able to get pk'ed in the first place... where are you going with this comment??
I meant I have an original copy when it FIRST came out. Sorry if I wasnt clear.
it just makes me sad because all of this debating is in vain.. blizzard will NEVER ignor these carebears and in the end there is gonna be a way for them to play without PKs... which on some level destroys the legacy of diablo.
it just makes me sad because all of this debating is in vain.. blizzard will NEVER ignor these carebears and in the end there is gonna be a way for them to play without PKs... which on some level destroys the legacy of diablo.
as long as they dont completely trash PK'ing i dont really care... if there is an option to play with or without it, i dont really think it will hurt anything, plenty of people will still play with it enabled. if anything it expands the game a level by not having to worry about people bitching at you for PK'ing them. all the people that dont want it will be gone in their safe worlds, and we will be able to PK without any complaining.
there is no braceing... im gonna wait a year atleast now to resume where i left off 5 years ago.. and its gonna bea whole new, and dissappointing, world.
Well i respectfully disagree... there are ways that griefing and hacking can be taken care of on the new bnet... but PK is simply part of this game and should not be an option... dieing to a player is the same thing as dieing to a mob in diablo. Not in every game is it like this.. but it always has been for diablo... in my opinion, the opinion of a true diablo franchise fan, this should not be an option.
http://www.bingegamer.net/index.php/2008/an-open-letter-to-diablo-iii-fanboys
So true...
Again, I speak from experience. In D2, MOST of the time they would enable the "hostle" once they were in the vacinity of where you were. Granted IDK if that was changed AFTER I stopped playing the MP feature of D2. So at least with that said. My suggestion is valid.
There was no way to go hostile once in the vacinity of another player, you had to search and seize.
http://www.bingegamer.net/index.php/2008/an-open-letter-to-diablo-iii-fanboys
So true...
yes.. its actually quite a bit of work on the PKers part to actually find you and then pk you. if they are gonna put in enough effort to do that, there are plenty of options you have before they get to you. it sucks you have to stop everything your doing and react to what they are doing, but its part of the game.
Well I have pwned a mob only to be low on health only to be pwned by a random pk'er. THAT is not fun. That makes you curse like a sailor. Especially if you loose a hard earned item.... like I have. Also, to say I am not a fan just because I suggest a certain option that you don't agree with doesn't mean (1. any less of a fan than you and (2. that it would be implemented. We can agree to disagree and go from there. I've done enough PvP in MANY other games to honstly say that PK'ing itself should not be removed from the game.
you too cbr
http://www.bingegamer.net/index.php/2008/an-open-letter-to-diablo-iii-fanboys
So true...
You are by your own post admitting that most people don't like Pk " everyone will set their games to non-pk " if someone doesn't want to PK that is there option. if you want to PK it is your option we shouldn't have to be chased around from game to game just so someone can get their rocks off by having your ear, given the option I will ALWAY! be anti Pk if Pk'ers stay in their games then I'll stay in mine.
The main issue here at this point, however, is that to do anything to change the PvP system of diablo at all.. besideas fix the obvious problems such as griefing and hackes.. would be doing a great disservice to a unique game.
http://www.bingegamer.net/index.php/2008/an-open-letter-to-diablo-iii-fanboys
So true...
I'm assuming you have an original unpatched copy of D2?
You can only hostile in town in diablo 2 since way before.
with an original unpatched copy of d2 you wouldnt be able to play on bnet.. so you wouldnt be able to get pk'ed in the first place... where are you going with this comment??
I am not admitting that people dont like it.. im merely saying that given the choice, any rational person will make a game in which they dont want to pvp, a non pk game, and the ones that they do, a pk game... thus effectively ending the true purpose of implementing PK in the game cause every game that is PK-enabled will just be a consensual dueling game.
http://www.bingegamer.net/index.php/2008/an-open-letter-to-diablo-iii-fanboys
So true...
Then blame the hackers. I've had it done to me before.:mad:
Sure.... Sure....
I meant I have an original copy when it FIRST came out. Sorry if I wasnt clear.
hmmm... i bought the game maybe a year after it came out, all the original games are the same, the updates are online. im still confused :confused:
Big letters makes you cool. :rolleyes:
Stop referencing me, I've asked you many times.
I don't want to be forced to play private games because people can't behave.
http://www.bingegamer.net/index.php/2008/an-open-letter-to-diablo-iii-fanboys
So true...
as long as they dont completely trash PK'ing i dont really care... if there is an option to play with or without it, i dont really think it will hurt anything, plenty of people will still play with it enabled. if anything it expands the game a level by not having to worry about people bitching at you for PK'ing them. all the people that dont want it will be gone in their safe worlds, and we will be able to PK without any complaining.
http://www.bingegamer.net/index.php/2008/an-open-letter-to-diablo-iii-fanboys
So true...