Interesting post, but uh... what about people like me, who mainly just want to do PvE? I'd probably play some PvP, it's fun, but I'm not very competitive when it comes to Diablo, I just kill stuff to get cool items... but then again, I can't be killed instantly, right? So if somebody attacks me, I just have to survive until I get to town, and I can use as much pot as I want. So... pk is fine with me, I think.
Cool but you might wanna edit your "fantasy 5".
The Paladin will make a return as one of the 3 remaining classes under that class name or not he will be there.
Oh my pardons good sir, I did not realize you sitting in your computer chair killing low levels in a surprise attack while eating hot pockets made you a "elite player". :rolleyes:
LOL
Anyway, i think metalgear is not talking about killing low levels, there was times i could not find a decent duel game... and after trying hours(ok minutes, i'm not that pacient) i would just go in a baal game or chaos run(D2 classic) and hostilize everyone.
Heck... to go in a game and hostilize a party of 7 lvl90+ does take some kind of elite skills(item wise, fast mouse-clicking, etc.)
Get real, folks, the diablo you all knew is dead, a few years ago i said right here in this forum that D3 had a pretty good chance of being blizzard first bust (i was flamed to death ofc), and what you know, its not even beta and its already looking that way.
That's like hosting a "what is the best game ever? Diablo or ______( insert any game here) ____" on this site. This website is dedicated to the pre-discussion of a game still 2 years out. I'd say most of the viewers here are fairly die-hard fans that consider the diablo series to be one of the best around. It's called having a bias for the polls. Similarly, if you went to a WoW website and asked what is better, WoW or Age of Conan? you'd most likely receive a similar biased answer.
I personally find Diablo 2 to be...less then great...
Personally I think that Diablo 3 is going to be fun as fuck... If not, I will still have Starcraft 2, and hopefully Warcraft 4 soon...
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I personally loved the Pk option in DII. I don't like the people who constantly hostile you because they can while you try to lvl up. So the idea of that option is good. That way I don't have to deal with people like that.
What?... You like it but you don't like it?... Huh?...
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The way you talk gives off the impression that pking happens at every single game, every run.
Not sure how D2 is this days, but back them... i had what, 1 pk every 40 games/runs or so, and i was a addicted player for more than 2 years, i dont think that ''pk ruins runs'' is a valid statement, and in my view, not even blizzard has a valid argument to remove it.
Yeah it sucks to get griefed(to grief, feels awesome ), but imo pking didnt happen so regurlary in D2 to the point of turning itself an issue in D3.
One, PK runs actually do ruin runs. It happened to me before, as I said. People would follow runs and keep killing everyone, though usually it only took one, sometimes two run's being pk'ed before it was ruined and you had to look for a new run series. But that's truth...and truth is bad...
Two, any problem that is in Diablo 2 should be fixed for Diablo three. If a problem causes grief in Diablo 2 then it only makes sense to fix the Diablo 3..
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It isn't broken and I say to you "If it isn't broken don't fix it".
L2PLY
I concure! Ruining other people's good time for your jolly's is not broken, and the minority enjoys it, thus you should not fix it!
Edit: Damn... Posting too fast for this old fart...
If only you children could see yourselves as us adults see you now. How pathetic it is that you actually think it a good idea for a high level to PK a low level? That is just sad and pathetic.
I really loved Timaah's response...pretty much sums up there argument well:
Wow, how freaking clueless does one have to be to figure this one out. I guess I actually need to explain this, which is kind of sad. Holding your own...so your argument is a lvl 10 is suppose to hold their own against a lvl 95? LMAO! I have to ask? Do you just plain suck Baals at games so badly you need such a unfair disadvantage? There is absolutely no difference when a high level goes after a low level and when one uses a hack to PvP against a similar level.
This is NOT skill, and anyone who even tries to argue that it is, well I can assure they are someone that gets owned 110% in every FPS game. Maybe that is why they want to come to D2 and PK maybe? Maybe you should find another avenue to vent your inadequacy in games...just a thought
I have a better suggestion, maybe some should try and learn how to play a video game, they are not that hard.
And I would love it? You got to be high or something. Sorry, I am a mature well-adjusted adult, meaning picking on people and deriving my pleasure form other's griefs is NOT my cup of tea mate. If that is how misfit 12 year olds want to play, then fine. But not in OUR game. You want to kill other players, go play COD4 (where I will obviously own your sorry @$$ seeing as you all pretty much have shown to have no skills)
Plain and simple argument kiddies. High level Pking low level is NOT skill, does not take brains, nor any abilities what so ever. It is the action of pathetic and sad losers. If you want to join that crowd, so be it. But you are NOT going to be doing it in D3..so ADIOS, GOODBYE, AU REVOIR. D3 doesn't need to be filled with a bunch of dumb little kids.
It's sad to say this, as I'm on the side of being against PKing... but seriously, you're no different than the others who are flaming your topic. Be reasonable, provide examples to your opinion, and strive to find a common ground. We're all adults here, there is no need to attack someone (or a general sect's) character to prove your point. It's a fallacy in arguments.
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One, PK runs actually do ruin runs. It happened to me before, as I said. People would follow runs and keep killing everyone, though usually it only took one, sometimes two run's being pk'ed before it was ruined and you had to look for a new run series. But that's truth...and truth is bad...
Two, any problem that is in Diablo 2 should be fixed for Diablo three. If a problem causes grief in Diablo 2 then it only makes sense to fix the Diablo 3..
I'm not saying it doesnt happen, i know it does, i've been there before(both getting ruined and ruining), what i said is it just doesnt happen in a very regular basis, at least not to the extent to be considered an issue in D3.
Get real, folks, the diablo you all knew is dead, a few years ago i said right here in this forum that D3 had a pretty good chance of being blizzard first bust (i was flamed to death ofc), and what you know, its not even beta and its already looking that way.
I'm not saying it doesnt happen, i know it does, i've been there before(both getting ruined and ruining), what i said is it just doesnt happen in a very regular basis, at least not to the extent to be considered an issue in D3.
Even Blizzard realizes it's a issue. That's why they want to limit it and concentrate on cooperative play.
"You have already grasped that Sisyphus is the absurd hero. He is, as much through his passions as through his torture. His scorn of the gods, his hatred of death, and his passion for life won him that unspeakable penalty in which the whole being is exerted toward accomplishing nothing. This is the price that must be paid for the passions of this earth. Nothing is told us about Sisyphus in the underworld. Myths are made for the imagination to breathe life into them."
I'm not saying it doesnt happen, i know it does, i've been there before(both getting ruined and ruining), what i said is it just doesnt happen in a very regular basis, at least not to the extent to be considered an issue in D3.
Because not all problems should be fixed when they obviously can be fixed? That makes no sense...
Let's be real. If Diablo II were selling bad, why has the price not gone down in the last 5 years? The Battle Chest still remains $40, and D2 classic and the expansion are still being sold at $20 each. When you sell poorly, you lower your prices to sell more, retail stores stop stocking them or you stop distributing it altogether.
Cheers,
SmashBoy (here but still forgotten)
LOLS yeah Equinox, I kinda feel sorry for him for as long as he has seeminly been here I'm sure he doesn't even read the front page which clearly states...
"Diablo II Battlechest number #1 on PC sales in the US and 4th in the United Kingdom.
Because not all problems should be fixed when they obviously can be fixed? That makes no sense...
PK=Problem
Removal of PK=Solution
Exactly. More people will be pleased with the removal than with it staying. More people pleased = more sales for Blizzard. That's why they go with majority consensus instead of the minority that likes to cause people annoyance.
Exactly. More people will be pleased with the removal than with it staying. More people pleased = more sales for Blizzard. That's why they go with majority consensus instead of the minority that likes to cause people annoyance.
I started typing a long and involving speech (which I have grown accustomed to recently)... and then you said it nice and sweetly, though with a little less tact than I would've used.... but well done nevertheless!
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I started typing a long and involving speech (which I have grown accustomed to recently)... and then you said it nice and sweetly, though with a little less tact than I would've used.... but well done nevertheless!
You've written a lot, but unfortunately your "opinion" on the matter does not contain any real fact anywhere. You are naturally strongly bias, however the problem is that somehow you do not realize your word carries no more proof than the anti-PK camp's word. Most if not all of your reasons do nothing to entail that your arguments are true at all, and therefore it can be concluded that you have written a huge wall of nothing.
Your worst offense is probably the part where you say (something like this):
Anti-PK camp: The majority of people don't want PK.
Your Answer:
Wrong. So wrong. Why? Because all those people are stupid, which is why the world is so fucked up. The majority actually wants PK and I have seen many polls reflecting this (except that you have shown absolutely no evidence to back up this "fact" other than you wanting it to be true).
Okay, lets say that there are polls out there that say that more people have voted for having PK in the game. How does this prove anything about the greater majority of the ENTIRE world? Anyone can argue that they have seen the opposite result in another poll and be just as "correct" as you are. Not to mention that you just debunked your own argument here by saying that the greater majority of people are stupid anyways.
Sorry, but I don't have the time to take apart the rest of your "arguments", although I am actually in full support of PVP in general.
Personally, I don't want a level 196 Barbarian running into my game and going hostile while i'm in the middle of act 1 so I want the option of shutting PvP off.
Anyway I do know it's not going to happen, I don't really care either way, I just perfer not to pvp
Can we all agree D3 needs to expand on the current D2 hostile system and improve it? The current D2 system is fine and WOULD work for D3 but I think we all agree it needs to be looked at again from both sides of the table.
I personally FULLY support that PK still be in D3 because at the end of the day Diablo is supposed to be a role playing game. Players should be able to chose how they play the game and not be forced into rule sets based on how certain portions of the population feel. That's the true essence of what an RPG is supposed to be.
I heard this...can't remember who said it...but it's true. It's not that I can't defend myself or run away or tp, it's interupting the game, and when one person ruins the game for seven other people, there is a problem.
Question: Which should have a louder voice? One person or seven people?
And one thing that REALLY pisses me off, I get to hell and get into a really good Baal run, over and over, then a PK'er comes along and kills everyone and follows the runs, thus ending the run series.
Now, there isn't any competition about that...
Yeah cause I'm sure that 1 SUPERTOUGHOMGGODLY guy is such a problem for 6 or 7 in that game doing the run.
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Cool but you might wanna edit your "fantasy 5".
The Paladin will make a return as one of the 3 remaining classes under that class name or not he will be there.
LOL
Anyway, i think metalgear is not talking about killing low levels, there was times i could not find a decent duel game... and after trying hours(ok minutes, i'm not that pacient) i would just go in a baal game or chaos run(D2 classic) and hostilize everyone.
Heck... to go in a game and hostilize a party of 7 lvl90+ does take some kind of elite skills(item wise, fast mouse-clicking, etc.)
I personally find Diablo 2 to be...less then great...
Personally I think that Diablo 3 is going to be fun as fuck... If not, I will still have Starcraft 2, and hopefully Warcraft 4 soon...
What?... You like it but you don't like it?... Huh?...
One, PK runs actually do ruin runs. It happened to me before, as I said. People would follow runs and keep killing everyone, though usually it only took one, sometimes two run's being pk'ed before it was ruined and you had to look for a new run series. But that's truth...and truth is bad...
Two, any problem that is in Diablo 2 should be fixed for Diablo three. If a problem causes grief in Diablo 2 then it only makes sense to fix the Diablo 3..
I concure! Ruining other people's good time for your jolly's is not broken, and the minority enjoys it, thus you should not fix it!
Edit: Damn... Posting too fast for this old fart...
It's sad to say this, as I'm on the side of being against PKing... but seriously, you're no different than the others who are flaming your topic. Be reasonable, provide examples to your opinion, and strive to find a common ground. We're all adults here, there is no need to attack someone (or a general sect's) character to prove your point. It's a fallacy in arguments.
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If you were the sexual maniac then yeah I'm sure he would get a kick out of it.
More news @ 10.
I'm not saying it doesnt happen, i know it does, i've been there before(both getting ruined and ruining), what i said is it just doesnt happen in a very regular basis, at least not to the extent to be considered an issue in D3.
Even Blizzard realizes it's a issue. That's why they want to limit it and concentrate on cooperative play.
That's why we have the term griefer.
"You have already grasped that Sisyphus is the absurd hero. He is, as much through his passions as through his torture. His scorn of the gods, his hatred of death, and his passion for life won him that unspeakable penalty in which the whole being is exerted toward accomplishing nothing. This is the price that must be paid for the passions of this earth. Nothing is told us about Sisyphus in the underworld. Myths are made for the imagination to breathe life into them."
- Albert Camus
And thank Tyrael for that
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Because not all problems should be fixed when they obviously can be fixed? That makes no sense...
PK=Problem
Removal of PK=Solution
Actually no it didn't, but I don't know how you get your information.
I'm pretty sure it's pulled out of thin air, you seem pretty clueless.
LOLS yeah Equinox, I kinda feel sorry for him for as long as he has seeminly been here I'm sure he doesn't even read the front page which clearly states...
"Diablo II Battlechest number #1 on PC sales in the US and 4th in the United Kingdom.
Exactly. More people will be pleased with the removal than with it staying. More people pleased = more sales for Blizzard. That's why they go with majority consensus instead of the minority that likes to cause people annoyance.
I started typing a long and involving speech (which I have grown accustomed to recently)... and then you said it nice and sweetly, though with a little less tact than I would've used.... but well done nevertheless!
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Thanks.
It's all about sales and common sense.
Your worst offense is probably the part where you say (something like this):
Anti-PK camp: The majority of people don't want PK.
Your Answer:
Wrong. So wrong. Why? Because all those people are stupid, which is why the world is so fucked up. The majority actually wants PK and I have seen many polls reflecting this (except that you have shown absolutely no evidence to back up this "fact" other than you wanting it to be true).
Okay, lets say that there are polls out there that say that more people have voted for having PK in the game. How does this prove anything about the greater majority of the ENTIRE world? Anyone can argue that they have seen the opposite result in another poll and be just as "correct" as you are. Not to mention that you just debunked your own argument here by saying that the greater majority of people are stupid anyways.
Sorry, but I don't have the time to take apart the rest of your "arguments", although I am actually in full support of PVP in general.
Anyway I do know it's not going to happen, I don't really care either way, I just perfer not to pvp
I personally FULLY support that PK still be in D3 because at the end of the day Diablo is supposed to be a role playing game. Players should be able to chose how they play the game and not be forced into rule sets based on how certain portions of the population feel. That's the true essence of what an RPG is supposed to be.
Yeah cause I'm sure that 1 SUPERTOUGHOMGGODLY guy is such a problem for 6 or 7 in that game doing the run.