And relating to the discussion we will see it when it is finished. You know Blizzard is taking the time they need to develop something new. In my personal opinion it could be Diablo Part 4 I don't think they will develop an addon for RoS.
Considering how much Blizzard has invested into RoS (4 patches, each one with a good deal of content), as well as the fact that it is not yet time for D4 (The Nephalem haven't seperated/died/retired, so we would continue to be the Nephalem, so why the fuck would you make a new game with these characters), and the fact that D3 has multiple plot points going on (Valor into Wrath, Diablo the Prime still out and about)... It does not make sense to make D4. Spin-off? Sure. D4? No.
blizzard hired new art emplyees and others.... if there is gunna be a d4 it will be in 4-6 years.... so my guess is new xpansion/class hopefully the necromancer will comeback
And relating to the discussion we will see it when it is finished. You know Blizzard is taking the time they need to develop something new. In my personal opinion it could be Diablo Part 4 I don't think they will develop an addon for RoS.
Considering how much Blizzard has invested into RoS (4 patches, each one with a good deal of content), as well as the fact that it is not yet time for D4 (The Nephalem haven't seperated/died/retired, so we would continue to be the Nephalem, so why the fuck would you make a new game with these characters), and the fact that D3 has multiple plot points going on (Valor into Wrath, Diablo the Prime still out and about)... It does not make sense to make D4. Spin-off? Sure. D4? No.
Ros has been dead for 3 seasons, deal with it. They're making Diablo 4, d3 is an epic fail played by either casual noobs or botters
and you are the kind of person who drive away most player with your stupid behavoir, D3 ain't dead, just because it's not what you want it to be doesn't mean it's dead :\ stop pretending your the center of the universe and maybe you'll notice a whole lot of people are still playing this game on and off, just because they are not playing this game 24/7 365 days a years mean they are not playing at all :\ man i'm sick of seeing you complain on every topic their is, if you hate the game so much GET THE FUCK OFF AND DON'T COME BACK :\
I'm having a blast playing D3 right now. IMO opinion this game is in it's prime. They should really be proud of the improvements and push forward to make this game even better. If they don't, then D3 will go on the same downward spiral as D2, where we gradually saw less and less new content added over time.
And relating to the discussion we will see it when it is finished. You know Blizzard is taking the time they need to develop something new. In my personal opinion it could be Diablo Part 4 I don't think they will develop an addon for RoS.
Considering how much Blizzard has invested into RoS (4 patches, each one with a good deal of content), as well as the fact that it is not yet time for D4 (The Nephalem haven't seperated/died/retired, so we would continue to be the Nephalem, so why the fuck would you make a new game with these characters), and the fact that D3 has multiple plot points going on (Valor into Wrath, Diablo the Prime still out and about)... It does not make sense to make D4. Spin-off? Sure. D4? No.
Ros has been dead for 3 seasons, deal with it. They're making Diablo 4, d3 is an epic fail played by either casual noobs or botters
and you are the kind of person who drive away most player with your stupid behavoir, D3 ain't dead, just because it's not what you want it to be doesn't mean it's dead :\ stop pretending your the center of the universe and maybe you'll notice a whole lot of people are still playing this game on and off, just because they are not playing this game 24/7 365 days a years mean they are not playing at all :\ man i'm sick of seeing you complain on every topic their is, if you hate the game so much GET THE FUCK OFF AND DON'T COME BACK :\
No they are playing 24/7 365 you noob thats what a bot is. And you are a part of the other part of the playerbase the casual noob who logs or 2 hrs on his para 700 shitkicker he thinks is good cus you have all ancients well news for you everyone has all perfect ancients but you still do 1/100000000000000000000000000 the damage of Para 3500 gemmed wiz with same gear cus gear means nothing. Yes I will happily drive ppl away from this game, that is my intention very poorly crafted game. If you play anymore its even more of a waste than before because they're making D4, Blizz ultimate weapon against botters and nolifer nerds (SoS) is let them use all their electric to paragon farm 24/7 for a game that they developing sequel for, with NO CHARACTER ROLLOVER LOL!!!
someone didn't love you enough when you were little did they
blizzard hired new art emplyees and others.... if there is gunna be a d4 it will be in 4-6 years.... so my guess is new xpansion/class hopefully the necromancer will comeback
Yep thats the point what is bothering me a little bit. The onboarding process of new people, I mean those application forms are fresh. Hiring process 6 months, development if fresh +2 years.
Are you in the mood to wait for an expansion another 2 years form todays day on? For my opinion I'm not. As Okakeri said there are still so many open things to be toled. And I'm interessted to see them. At the moment D3 Consists only in speedfarms and proly some good grifts when the servers don't lag in the early mornings or the night. Same shit since 2 eras ( i don't play season).
Why does this new crew have to be working on the expansion? In fact, I think it makes little sense that they would. The current crew should be finishing their obligation, while the new staff begins putting together the ground work for D4. That is how most crews work, bring in new faces to lay the foundation of the new product, and have the current crew finish execution of the current project, than flow to the new project.
Most likely we will have a D3 expansion in Spring of 2017, and D4 in Summer/Fall of 2020. They have said the model suggests a 6-8 year run between complete overhauls is ideal, with a 2012 D3 release, 2018-2020 matches their claim.
I'm having a blast playing D3 right now. IMO opinion this game is in it's prime. They should really be proud of the improvements and push forward to make this game even better. If they don't, then D3 will go on the same downward spiral as D2, where we gradually saw less and less new content added over time.
I cannot do it.
Glad you love the game, glad you can play it, but I cannot. Paragon has destroyed this game. Why should I play when botters and no-lifers are going to be 50-75% better than me anyways? I guess for me it is the fact I have aroud 600 hours into the game already, so been there done that, only thing that would keep me going is something new. But flashy changes to set mechanics to me are not changes worth coming back to. QoL changes and the removal of Paragon would be. Instead, experience beyond lvl 70 should be used to power our skills, or maybe our gear. But there should be a limit. Infinite paragon has played a bad/destructive role to the future of D3, I hope they understand that.
And relating to the discussion we will see it when it is finished. You know Blizzard is taking the time they need to develop something new. In my personal opinion it could be Diablo Part 4 I don't think they will develop an addon for RoS.
Considering how much Blizzard has invested into RoS (4 patches, each one with a good deal of content), as well as the fact that it is not yet time for D4 (The Nephalem haven't seperated/died/retired, so we would continue to be the Nephalem, so why the fuck would you make a new game with these characters), and the fact that D3 has multiple plot points going on (Valor into Wrath, Diablo the Prime still out and about)... It does not make sense to make D4. Spin-off? Sure. D4? No.
Ros has been dead for 3 seasons, deal with it. They're making Diablo 4, d3 is an epic fail played by either casual noobs or botters
and you are the kind of person who drive away most player with your stupid behavoir, D3 ain't dead, just because it's not what you want it to be doesn't mean it's dead :\ stop pretending your the center of the universe and maybe you'll notice a whole lot of people are still playing this game on and off, just because they are not playing this game 24/7 365 days a years mean they are not playing at all :\ man i'm sick of seeing you complain on every topic their is, if you hate the game so much GET THE FUCK OFF AND DON'T COME BACK :\
No they are playing 24/7 365 you noob thats what a bot is. And you are a part of the other part of the playerbase the casual noob who logs or 2 hrs on his para 700 shitkicker he thinks is good cus you have all ancients well news for you everyone has all perfect ancients but you still do 1/100000000000000000000000000 the damage of Para 3500 gemmed wiz with same gear cus gear means nothing. Yes I will happily drive ppl away from this game, that is my intention very poorly crafted game. If you play anymore its even more of a waste than before because they're making D4, Blizz ultimate weapon against botters and nolifer nerds (SoS) is let them use all their electric to paragon farm 24/7 for a game that they developing sequel for, with NO CHARACTER ROLLOVER LOL!!!
I would have to say that you are the noob hoping to drive the others off the game so you can claim glory in making leader boards cause you cant with so many better players ahead of you.
I'm having a blast playing D3 right now. IMO opinion this game is in it's prime. They should really be proud of the improvements and push forward to make this game even better. If they don't, then D3 will go on the same downward spiral as D2, where we gradually saw less and less new content added over time.
I cannot do it.
Glad you love the game, glad you can play it, but I cannot. Paragon has destroyed this game. Why should I play when botters and no-lifers are going to be 50-75% better than me anyways? I guess for me it is the fact I have aroud 600 hours into the game already, so been there done that, only thing that would keep me going is something new. But flashy changes to set mechanics to me are not changes worth coming back to. QoL changes and the removal of Paragon would be. Instead, experience beyond lvl 70 should be used to power our skills, or maybe our gear. But there should be a limit. Infinite paragon has played a bad/destructive role to the future of D3, I hope they understand that.
This makes sense. I guess for me I'm finding the most enjoyment competing and interacting within the clan I'm in, rather than focusing on what the rest of the globe is doing. Within the clan I don't have to worry about dumb shit like bots and such. I enjoy competing but I'm not pressed to be the best in the world. But I sure as hell love the bragging rights that come with topping a clan leaderboard. I know this probably is the uncommon point of view but it works for me. My clan has about 60+ members and I would say 20-30 players who are active this season. Competing on this smaller scale has me thoroughly engrossed in D3 at the moment. Sorry this went a little off-topic. cheers@
theres nothing wrong with paragon levels,people should do less whining and more playing,getting tired of people who want everything handed to them.If you dont want to invest time into a game like some people then just move on,dont try to mess things for others.They have ruined World of Warcraft simply because they gave in to casual players and made loot rain down on you,and their sub numbers show it.There will always be boting no matter if theres paragons or not and always someone a head of you,but that doesnt mean that you need to remove one big part of the game.Just play the game and you will be rewarded so simple.
Everything about Paragons is casual, it is a simplistic promotion with little thought about solid character progression.
I'm having a blast playing D3 right now. IMO opinion this game is in it's prime. They should really be proud of the improvements and push forward to make this game even better. If they don't, then D3 will go on the same downward spiral as D2, where we gradually saw less and less new content added over time.
I cannot do it.
Glad you love the game, glad you can play it, but I cannot. Paragon has destroyed this game. Why should I play when botters and no-lifers are going to be 50-75% better than me anyways? I guess for me it is the fact I have aroud 600 hours into the game already, so been there done that, only thing that would keep me going is something new. But flashy changes to set mechanics to me are not changes worth coming back to. QoL changes and the removal of Paragon would be. Instead, experience beyond lvl 70 should be used to power our skills, or maybe our gear. But there should be a limit. Infinite paragon has played a bad/destructive role to the future of D3, I hope they understand that.
How do botters affect you? How do they impact your gameplay at all? If botters were able to flood the auction house with stuff... oh wait, they can't. If botters were able to play against you... oh wait, they can't. Botting on this game is pointless. It achieves nothing.
Considering how much Blizzard has invested into RoS (4 patches, each one with a good deal of content), as well as the fact that it is not yet time for D4 (The Nephalem haven't seperated/died/retired, so we would continue to be the Nephalem, so why the fuck would you make a new game with these characters), and the fact that D3 has multiple plot points going on (Valor into Wrath, Diablo the Prime still out and about)... It does not make sense to make D4. Spin-off? Sure. D4? No.
Ros has been dead for 3 seasons, deal with it. They're making Diablo 4, d3 is an epic fail played by either casual noobs or botters
and you are the kind of person who drive away most player with your stupid behavoir, D3 ain't dead, just because it's not what you want it to be doesn't mean it's dead :\ stop pretending your the center of the universe and maybe you'll notice a whole lot of people are still playing this game on and off, just because they are not playing this game 24/7 365 days a years mean they are not playing at all :\ man i'm sick of seeing you complain on every topic their is, if you hate the game so much GET THE FUCK OFF AND DON'T COME BACK :\
No they are playing 24/7 365 you noob thats what a bot is. And you are a part of the other part of the playerbase the casual noob who logs or 2 hrs on his para 700 shitkicker he thinks is good cus you have all ancients well news for you everyone has all perfect ancients but you still do 1/100000000000000000000000000 the damage of Para 3500 gemmed wiz with same gear cus gear means nothing. Yes I will happily drive ppl away from this game, that is my intention very poorly crafted game. If you play anymore its even more of a waste than before because they're making D4, Blizz ultimate weapon against botters and nolifer nerds (SoS) is let them use all their electric to paragon farm 24/7 for a game that they developing sequel for, with NO CHARACTER ROLLOVER LOL!!!
dude, you can say it a thousand more times, it doesn't make it true, though.
The difference between a P1000 and a P2000 character are 5000 mainstats. That's the difference between 20k and 25k mainstat on crusader, for example. 1000 paragonlevels are effectively a 25% dmg increase. That's 1-2 grifts. That's basically nothing for the huge amount of effort you have to put into this game. And it gets less and less, the higher both players are (P2000 vs P3000 is less than 25%). Your "plvls is all that matters!!!!!!!!" is not true. It's only a matter in the Top10 of the leaderboards and those are irrelevant anyways. A game has to be good for the majority of the playerbase, not for 10 guys.
wrong, you greatly underestimate power creep, and the power of leveled up gems. P2k vs P1k does about 5-6x more dmg, depending on gems
And relating to the discussion we will see it when it is finished. You know Blizzard is taking the time they need to develop something new. In my personal opinion it could be Diablo Part 4 I don't think they will develop an addon for RoS.
Considering how much Blizzard has invested into RoS (4 patches, each one with a good deal of content), as well as the fact that it is not yet time for D4 (The Nephalem haven't seperated/died/retired, so we would continue to be the Nephalem, so why the fuck would you make a new game with these characters), and the fact that D3 has multiple plot points going on (Valor into Wrath, Diablo the Prime still out and about)... It does not make sense to make D4. Spin-off? Sure. D4? No.
Ros has been dead for 3 seasons, deal with it. They're making Diablo 4, d3 is an epic fail played by either casual noobs or botters
Philippos u r a fking idiot.
hahaha this noob is pissed he doesnt know whether to farm GRs tonight or stop cus new Diablo is coming out......he has nothing else to do in life.....go do some pushups kiddie
I'm having a blast playing D3 right now. IMO opinion this game is in it's prime. They should really be proud of the improvements and push forward to make this game even better. If they don't, then D3 will go on the same downward spiral as D2, where we gradually saw less and less new content added over time.
I cannot do it.
Glad you love the game, glad you can play it, but I cannot. Paragon has destroyed this game. Why should I play when botters and no-lifers are going to be 50-75% better than me anyways? I guess for me it is the fact I have aroud 600 hours into the game already, so been there done that, only thing that would keep me going is something new. But flashy changes to set mechanics to me are not changes worth coming back to. QoL changes and the removal of Paragon would be. Instead, experience beyond lvl 70 should be used to power our skills, or maybe our gear. But there should be a limit. Infinite paragon has played a bad/destructive role to the future of D3, I hope they understand that.
How do botters affect you? How do they impact your gameplay at all? If botters were able to flood the auction house with stuff... oh wait, they can't. If botters were able to play against you... oh wait, they can't. Botting on this game is pointless. It achieves nothing.
Because I cannot do what I want because time played is 99% of success on the leaderboards. That is a broken system by any standard, whether or not you care about leaderboards, time played should not elevate you to unseen levels.
So yeah, botters play against me, groups that are pushing GR85-100 will not allow you if less than 1500 paragon.
I can go deeper and deeper into this. But the more that you guys push this off as "meh, it is okay" the more it will be an issue as a whole.
Your logic is basically saying, "My girlfriend cheated on me, but she does not care, so whatever, why should I care?". Thats not how real life works, you get attached to stuff.
Your discussion will not end. But in a grinding game there should always be the factor "if you grind more you get more reward". Sure the paragonlevel system is not very good but lets say there are no botters. Why should the guy playing more not have an advantage?
If i compare that to a potential hardcore different scenario. paragons dont exist. you get pulled by a friend, after a few days you have all items and you have the same chance as a guy who spend 2k hours on the game. Not great for the long term fun of the game.
This scenario is just good for games where micro, macro (lets say sc2,sc2) can make the difference. But this is per definition a grinding game.
So if they go on and lower the paragon importance by adding other long term rewarding things. Thats why I think adding stones to items was a good first step.
But another thing is I see people here who are just hating the game. If i dont like something i do something else. But you come here
try to convince other people that the game is shit. And you are actively trying to destroy the community with it despite.
Go play your other game and post there how nice this game is to make that community stronger. That is a much better ansatz.
I have read this news here. Is it really hapenning?
Edit by Nachten.
blizzard hired new art emplyees and others.... if there is gunna be a d4 it will be in 4-6 years.... so my guess is new xpansion/class hopefully the necromancer will comeback
lol
I'm having a blast playing D3 right now. IMO opinion this game is in it's prime. They should really be proud of the improvements and push forward to make this game even better. If they don't, then D3 will go on the same downward spiral as D2, where we gradually saw less and less new content added over time.
Most likely we will have a D3 expansion in Spring of 2017, and D4 in Summer/Fall of 2020. They have said the model suggests a 6-8 year run between complete overhauls is ideal, with a 2012 D3 release, 2018-2020 matches their claim.
Glad you love the game, glad you can play it, but I cannot. Paragon has destroyed this game. Why should I play when botters and no-lifers are going to be 50-75% better than me anyways? I guess for me it is the fact I have aroud 600 hours into the game already, so been there done that, only thing that would keep me going is something new. But flashy changes to set mechanics to me are not changes worth coming back to. QoL changes and the removal of Paragon would be. Instead, experience beyond lvl 70 should be used to power our skills, or maybe our gear. But there should be a limit. Infinite paragon has played a bad/destructive role to the future of D3, I hope they understand that.
agreed
I think they already have an expansion done (in term of artwork, animation etc) for D3 and this is for D4.
Drop D3 expansion winter 2017, keep it going for 2 years and drop D4 2020~.
Because I cannot do what I want because time played is 99% of success on the leaderboards. That is a broken system by any standard, whether or not you care about leaderboards, time played should not elevate you to unseen levels.
So yeah, botters play against me, groups that are pushing GR85-100 will not allow you if less than 1500 paragon.
I can go deeper and deeper into this. But the more that you guys push this off as "meh, it is okay" the more it will be an issue as a whole.
Your logic is basically saying, "My girlfriend cheated on me, but she does not care, so whatever, why should I care?". Thats not how real life works, you get attached to stuff.
Your discussion will not end. But in a grinding game there should always be the factor "if you grind more you get more reward". Sure the paragonlevel system is not very good but lets say there are no botters. Why should the guy playing more not have an advantage?
If i compare that to a potential hardcore different scenario. paragons dont exist. you get pulled by a friend, after a few days you have all items and you have the same chance as a guy who spend 2k hours on the game. Not great for the long term fun of the game.
This scenario is just good for games where micro, macro (lets say sc2,sc2) can make the difference. But this is per definition a grinding game.
So if they go on and lower the paragon importance by adding other long term rewarding things. Thats why I think adding stones to items was a good first step.
But another thing is I see people here who are just hating the game. If i dont like something i do something else. But you come here
try to convince other people that the game is shit. And you are actively trying to destroy the community with it despite.
Go play your other game and post there how nice this game is to make that community stronger. That is a much better ansatz.
Why ppl hate d3 so much? Season 5 is pretty awesome.