I want to be clear; I don't think MC to be a "piece of shit", a low human being, a scumbag, as so many self-righteous assholes have been saying. To cast such judgement over using a cheat in a video game would be pathetic, and it would ignore quite a bit of wrong I believe we've all done in our lives.
I really, honestly, just want to know why someone in his position would so haphazardly endeavor upon something like this? He taught a lot of people a great deal about playing at a high level, he played a LOT, and he even made scratch doing it.
I did not know about this exploit until the night before i streamed it in the morning, not sure where you guys are getting that I kept this exploit a secret until then .....
I am done here guys, take care
That doesn't answer two questions people have;
1) Why did you use the cheat?
2) Why didn't you report it when you did find out about it?
The two questions are inexorably tied together, but worth answering. After our first encounter here over 2 years ago, I did start to gain a bit of respect for you, as far as being a damn good gamer. I've seen some of your Youtube vids (trying tier 70 in PTR etc), and I rethought my stance on you. You don't need to cheat to get ahead, you're a damn solid D3 player.
But this thread, it's weak. It effectively says "I cheated because this game sucks". This is a Diablo fansite where many of the members love the game, and you took a big 'ol cookie shit all over the people who like it, as if we're just a bunch of casual assholes.
I wanted to hear your own words on why you cheated, and frankly, I'm quite disappointed that you avoid the 10-ton elephant in the room. Why did you cheat?
ffs do you have nothing better to do than sit here all day long and bump my thread?
read the 3rd post of thsi thread I already answered you usual troll questions
2 years here and I have 0 respect for you and your continuous toxic spam across the dfans forums.
edit: bagstone or zero, can some1 plz lock ruksak from repeatedly bumping the thread with the same questions over and over again.
[p]@ruksak[/p]
[p]Don't bother with the questions man, the whole thread is a joke.[/p]
The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to such a pass that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love, and in order to occupy and distract himself without love he gives way to passions and coarse pleasures, and sinks to bestiality in his vices, all from continual lying to other men and to himself.[/p]
And sadly most of the streamers lies to themselves and most of them exploits off streams, As i said it's the only way to compete in their eyes.[/p]
When they got caught, they say it's just a game, garbage, and boring, no competition, yet they're the ones who have countless of playing time. [/p]
Honesty is an expensive gift, don't expect it from cheap people.[/p]
I did not know about this exploit until the night before i streamed it in the morning, not sure where you guys are getting that I kept this exploit a secret until then .....
I am done here guys, take care
That doesn't answer two questions people have;
1) Why did you use the cheat?
2) Why didn't you report it when you did find out about it?
The two questions are inexorably tied together, but worth answering. After our first encounter here over 2 years ago, I did start to gain a bit of respect for you, as far as being a damn good gamer. I've seen some of your Youtube vids (trying tier 70 in PTR etc), and I rethought my stance on you. You don't need to cheat to get ahead, you're a damn solid D3 player.
But this thread, it's weak. It effectively says "I cheated because this game sucks". This is a Diablo fansite where many of the members love the game, and you took a big 'ol cookie shit all over the people who like it, as if we're just a bunch of casual assholes.
I wanted to hear your own words on why you cheated, and frankly, I'm quite disappointed that you avoid the 10-ton elephant in the room. Why did you cheat?
ffs do you have nothing better to do than sit here all day long and bump my thread?
read the 3rd post of thsi thread I already answered you usual troll questions
2 years here and I have 0 respect for you and your continuous toxic spam across the dfans forums.
edit: bagstone or zero, can some1 plz lock ruksak from repeatedly bumping the thread with the same questions over and over again.
No offense man but i dont think you understand your now labeled a cheater and your respect doesnt mean much.
"I am done here guys, take care"
Time to bow out gracefully, you no longer like the game anyways.
I did not know about this exploit until the night before i streamed it in the morning, not sure where you guys are getting that I kept this exploit a secret until then .....
I am done here guys, take care
That doesn't answer two questions people have;
1) Why did you use the cheat?
2) Why didn't you report it when you did find out about it?
The two questions are inexorably tied together, but worth answering. After our first encounter here over 2 years ago, I did start to gain a bit of respect for you, as far as being a damn good gamer. I've seen some of your Youtube vids (trying tier 70 in PTR etc), and I rethought my stance on you. You don't need to cheat to get ahead, you're a damn solid D3 player.
But this thread, it's weak. It effectively says "I cheated because this game sucks". This is a Diablo fansite where many of the members love the game, and you took a big 'ol cookie shit all over the people who like it, as if we're just a bunch of casual assholes.
I wanted to hear your own words on why you cheated, and frankly, I'm quite disappointed that you avoid the 10-ton elephant in the room. Why did you cheat?
ffs do you have nothing better to do than sit here all day long and bump my thread?
read the 3rd post of thsi thread I already answered you usual troll questions
2 years here and I have 0 respect for you and your continuous toxic spam across the dfans forums.
edit: bagstone or zero, can some1 plz lock ruksak from repeatedly bumping the thread with the same questions over and over again.
Actually, that is your second post in this thread, but more importantly, you edited in your explanation well after I had first read it.
That is NOT what was originally in that post.
And no, I have nothing particularly better to do today. My daughter just went home, it's fucking raining and shitty out here in Indy, and I'm watching TV while browsing, if you must know.
Your answer to my question; Why cheat?; "Because everyone else was doing it" [paraphrasing].
Also; "A part of it was for the pure entertainment of making shitload of shards drop I will not lie"
All that is fine, and I think there aren't very many people who could claim to be so far above doing the same thing. Some made the choice to use the cheat, others did not.
This part however; ".... the other part is to bring it to the open and force blizz's hand".
Well that's kinda weak, if you ask me. As I said earlier, there were many other, better ways of accomplishing that. This isn't the kind of issue that would've taken an uproar from the players to get Blizz to fix it. If they knew, they would've hotfixed ASAP.
edit: bagstone or zero, can some1 plz lock ruksak from repeatedly bumping the thread with the same questions over and over again.
Don't make public threads? You answered my question by going back and adding it to a post I read last night via edit. You think me to be frickin' stupid or something?
I haven't called you a name, an insult. I've even defended you to some extent, but just like our conversation 2 years ago, you don't react well to debate. Thank you for answering my questions, that is all I wanted.
Entitlement, says someone who still believes leaderboards entitle him to have competition in a game
Still havent figured out why people keep score?
You have no integrity, from your previous posts i can honestly call you a piece of trash in diablo 3. "Its ok to cheat because i dont have enough time", dumbass
Just out of curiosity, do you know roughly how many bloodshards you got from exploiting this issue?
about 70,000 or so over 5-6 hours
Cheers.. I'd be interested to know how Blizzard would have reacted if you had demonstrated the exploit far and wide but not personally profited to such an insane degree (with that many shards being nearly 3000 gear rolls = roughly 300 legendaries, 30 ancients?)
Can't honestly see any way not to expect a perma-ban with that level of exploiting though.
I've been following this thread, and usually I think the DFans community is kinda cool and spot-on with their response on controversial topics.
Some of the responses here (let's just generalize them as "anti-MannerCookie") reveal a shocking ignorance though.
Let me bring in my 0.02$ (and this is *not* the perspective of me as a supposedly neutral mod on this website, but me as a D3 player, so all what follows is my heavily biased opinion, honest and unfiltered).
A bit of background: Me and my clan have moved more and more into the competitive scene; mostly on group leaderboards, because with a little bit of theorycrafting, coordination, and somewhat decent gear you can get pretty good rankings without playing 24/7. For example, we made several top 100 rankings at the end of era 2 while being below average paragon (I was the only paragon 800+ in our clan before the double paragon XP week, and our "competitors" that surrounded us on the leaderboards are paragon 1000+) and average gear (you obviously don't have perfect gear with "only" being paragon 700ish).
However, in the past we dropped down significantly in rankings because of several exploits:
The trial key exploit in January. We always struggle with trials, so mostly played up our keys; people who used the exploits just got stacks of 60+ keys where we were playing for days just to get one shot at 55+ rifts.
Gear swap exploit for the RG: Gabynator even streamed it, getting his #1 DH rankings in season 1 by swapping out his gear for the rift guardian. It's still on Youtube, yet he never got punished and will hold his #1 rank probably forever. We have no idea how many people abused this for group rifts, where it's even worse (WD switching to full pet dmg, barb/crusader switching to some single target spam, both DHs switching to fire Impale, and everyone switching to immunity amulets turned a 7 minute boss fight into a 1 minute rampage).
All the paragon farming exploits. Sure, those guys also played significantly more than we do - but it's not too far fetched to assume that the gap between them and us would be significantly lower if it hadn't been for all the paragon exploits.
None of those exploits was ever fixed in time to avoid leaderboard impact; none of the players abusing it were ever punished - no ban, no rollback, not even loss of leaderboard ranking. And those are only very few examples: Up until last week, Reaper of Souls has been an awesome game for a million of players, but for the few hundreds or thousands that are interested in actually getting good rankings on the leaderboards it's "wait until the next exploit, and either use it or drop from rank #50 to #300" (and the latter is what happened to us time and time again). We sometimes managed to catch up after the exploit was fixed, but it was extremely nerve-wracking to see that Blizzard just didn't care at all about this. And with Wyatt's statement at the Tavern Talk ("we don't care about the leaderboards") the message was pretty obvious: "there's an exploit? we don't give a f*ck. abuse it or lose the game".
I can totally, 100% understand why certain players feel why they wanted to cheat (and that should answer ruksak's question, although it was answered already before you asked 5 times again). Why did he cheat? BECAUSE EVERYBODY CHEATED. Does it make it better? Not at all. But if you're on a highway, there are 3 lanes, the speed limit is 60 km/h, and the speed of the cars on the 3 lanes is 100 km/h, 90 km/h, and 80 km/h, you don't slow down to 60 km/h (if you do you might be from a different country than me or a really good citizen). Especially not if at the end of the road there's a cool concert of your favorite band and the last one gets bad spots with a bad view.
Honestly, think of MannerCookie what you will, but I personally respect him even more after this post, and I don't get all the hate. The rollbacks are still being processed, so wait a few days before condemning MannerCookie and cheering for your favorite streamer; they might take a hit at some point. But keep in mind that they're probably playing the game from a different perspective than you do, and what looks for you like a total loss of respect might just be a completely understandable action (to make this clear: I did not abuse this exploit, as I did never abuse any of the other previous exploits).
So, now you have two people in this thread you guys can hate! But when you do that, please take a deep breath before submitting that and think if you really need to. I was about to lock this topic, but I hope you can bring this discussion back to a more civil level - or just refrain from posting here altogether. If this thread continues to be as toxic as it is though, it'll be locked.
@MannerCookie: Props to the honest words in your OP. And I hope you come back eventually - your contribution to the community for barbs and crusaders was incredible, especially on 2.2 PTR you were like a one-man QA army.
After all, all those cheating players did me and my clan a service: from now on we know that if a new exploit appears, there won't be many people abusing it because of the possibility of getting a ban. Every competitive player thought Blizzard simply had lost interest in banning people for exploiting (because there haven't been any bans). The only bans in RoS were post-season 1 bans, and it was never specified what those players were banned for (botting maybe?). But now the game has changed. Thankfully.
No, I would not blame the police if I get a speeding ticket (in fact I got a ticket and did not blame them). So didn't MannerCookie, he said the the ban was justified and he doesn't plea to get unbanned, he only elaborates on why the ban came somewhat "random" and unexpected. I really feel you did either not read or not understand his point of view.
I was gonna respond to your post in detail, but comparing someone who cheats in a video game with someone who allegedly shot someone in cold blood is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard, sorry. But it kind of highlights what weird perceptions some of you here have, as if MannerCookie was some kind of divine figure to you and now it turns out he's the devil himself. Seriously... it's a game.
@Silvach: "lost respect" give me a break... All the smalltime streamers / youtubers jump on oppurtunities like this to trash the "convicted"... Coudl your arguments be any more repetitive and dull? We got it, he cheated... Let's put him on a stake and burn him?
A lot of players exploited every exploit that went live and no one got banned - Naturally people assumed they won't get banned this time either but they were wrong and got rolled back. No one lost any respect in my opinion, if i had the time on that day i would have probably used the exploit too.
All the white knights going out on a crusade is just pathetic, give it a break jesus christ.
He did not ask for respect, he did not say he was forced, and he did not know about the exploit on PTR. I can clearly see now that you did not read his post.
Just one last thing: what you suggest as the perfect solution (do it once on stream, report it to Blizzard, and hope for a fix) is EXACTLY what was done with all the previous exploits I mentioned. And there were never any repercussions, and the people who abused the exploit (including streamers that went offline to repeat the exploit a million times) retained all their benefits in terms of gear, paragon, and rankings.
Blizzard has always been very slow to fix bugs and hasn't really punished anyone severely in the past (just botters get banned) so we've all gotten used to the idea that it's okay to abuse the game as much as possible to get advantages. They have finally drawn a line this time which is a good thing but unfortunately someone trying to do good got caught by his own mistake. I don't agree with the fact that they ONLY banned mannercookie even though other streamers showed it briefly as well before scumbagging it up off stream. However much I appreciate his actions for making it well known, I still do not feel any sorrow for him because he chose to do it on his main account.
Now that we know they actually care about sploits, I wish they would make it more clear where the line is though. For instance, there is currently a bug with gelatinous goblins splitting up way more than they should (reports of up to 100 gobs). Are we going to get punished if we keep killing them while they are bugged or are they just going to ignore it while they slowly hotfix it after they have responded to bug reports?
Holy shit the lack of context you all lack here is unreal.
Do you honestly think a player like Mannercookie who has contributed way more to theory crafting (for barbs and saders) than 99% of this forum ever will did it because he was not capable of doing it "fairly"? FFS on the stream he showed the exploit, he did it for shits and giggles on a wizard NOT his barb or crusader. Do you think he was gonna play the wizard for the rest of season with whatever gear he got rather than his barb or sader? If you watched the stream, he clearly did not do the exploit as a way to get a head because he half-assed it with a wizard in order to bring awareness to it (like he mentioned in the op). If you are the type of person to lose "respect" for someone over something meaningless like this then your respect is worth shit.
Ask any other pro streamer and you will see that the overall consensus is that it sucked that MC got banned. MC is the barb/crus "guy" that everyone looked to for the latest information.
Man, i though he did it to point it out to Blizzard. Or cheated because everyone did and he was forced to do it to compete... but now he did it also for shit and giggles. Damn, he had few reasons. Now I understand that.
Someone had multiple reasons for commiting an act, how unconceivable?
Seriously dude, i dono if you are trying to get views for your channel by trashing MC but just give it a rest, your last 10 posts are all repeating the same shit over and over, we get it.
Nobody is trying to trash MC reps, the man knew the risks and get banned and many others got rolledback already and people know who used the bloodshards exploits.
The other streamers or non-streamers who exploited are not better than him most of them get the same responds from the community like we see in here, Do i need to call their names here for a reminder? Not going to name and shame cause that's no secret and everyone can find out, some of them have done even worse things than that, But as a streamers they have 2 options (Builds or Wrecks) reputation.
If you build it you know you're followed even by games Devs.
If you Wreck it you know you're followed by all the Kappa hate wagon.
I knew it's just a game and in the same time most of the people who are in defense or offense side toward this thread are all worked up already, and that kind of action will erase the "It's just a game" idea.
In real life sports some people use steroids and no matter what's the reason they used it for they will get the same responds from their fans and community and they will get banned from competitions.
MC shouldn't risk his reputation just because Blizzard don't care about Leaderboards, or taking actions slowly or never listen and nobody risk that just for fun, he brought that to himself Not the fans Not the community and Not even the responds in this whole thread.
However i don't hate MC i do really wish him all good and if he want to get back again he should take it easy and be wise as a streamer.
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Wise ElderI want to be clear; I don't think MC to be a "piece of shit", a low human being, a scumbag, as so many self-righteous assholes have been saying. To cast such judgement over using a cheat in a video game would be pathetic, and it would ignore quite a bit of wrong I believe we've all done in our lives.
I really, honestly, just want to know why someone in his position would so haphazardly endeavor upon something like this? He taught a lot of people a great deal about playing at a high level, he played a LOT, and he even made scratch doing it.
So I want to understand the "why" to this matter.
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ffs do you have nothing better to do than sit here all day long and bump my thread?
read the 3rd post of thsi thread I already answered you usual troll questions
2 years here and I have 0 respect for you and your continuous toxic spam across the dfans forums.
edit: bagstone or zero, can some1 plz lock ruksak from repeatedly bumping the thread with the same questions over and over again.
http://www.youtube.com/mannercookie
http://www.twitch.tv/mannercookie
[p]Don't bother with the questions man, the whole thread is a joke.[/p]
The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to such a pass that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love, and in order to occupy and distract himself without love he gives way to passions and coarse pleasures, and sinks to bestiality in his vices, all from continual lying to other men and to himself.[/p]
And sadly most of the streamers lies to themselves and most of them exploits off streams, As i said it's the only way to compete in their eyes.[/p]
When they got caught, they say it's just a game, garbage, and boring, no competition, yet they're the ones who have countless of playing time. [/p]
Honesty is an expensive gift, don't expect it from cheap people.[/p]
No offense man but i dont think you understand your now labeled a cheater and your respect doesnt mean much.
"I am done here guys, take care"
Time to bow out gracefully, you no longer like the game anyways.
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Wise ElderActually, that is your second post in this thread, but more importantly, you edited in your explanation well after I had first read it.
That is NOT what was originally in that post.
And no, I have nothing particularly better to do today. My daughter just went home, it's fucking raining and shitty out here in Indy, and I'm watching TV while browsing, if you must know.
Your answer to my question; Why cheat?; "Because everyone else was doing it" [paraphrasing].
Also; "A part of it was for the pure entertainment of making shitload of shards drop I will not lie"
All that is fine, and I think there aren't very many people who could claim to be so far above doing the same thing. Some made the choice to use the cheat, others did not.
This part however; ".... the other part is to bring it to the open and force blizz's hand".
Well that's kinda weak, if you ask me. As I said earlier, there were many other, better ways of accomplishing that. This isn't the kind of issue that would've taken an uproar from the players to get Blizz to fix it. If they knew, they would've hotfixed ASAP.
Don't make public threads? You answered my question by going back and adding it to a post I read last night via edit. You think me to be frickin' stupid or something?
I haven't called you a name, an insult. I've even defended you to some extent, but just like our conversation 2 years ago, you don't react well to debate. Thank you for answering my questions, that is all I wanted.
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See ya later, Kongor Jr.
Still havent figured out why people keep score?
You have no integrity, from your previous posts i can honestly call you a piece of trash in diablo 3. "Its ok to cheat because i dont have enough time", dumbass
Cheers.. I'd be interested to know how Blizzard would have reacted if you had demonstrated the exploit far and wide but not personally profited to such an insane degree (with that many shards being nearly 3000 gear rolls = roughly 300 legendaries, 30 ancients?)
Can't honestly see any way not to expect a perma-ban with that level of exploiting though.
You are a hero mannercookie. /S
"They banned me for cheating so I quit". <-- Good riddance.
Agreed. It's unfortunate that this message was not sent earlier, causing people to get into the "exploit early and often" mindset.
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ModeratorI've been following this thread, and usually I think the DFans community is kinda cool and spot-on with their response on controversial topics.
Some of the responses here (let's just generalize them as "anti-MannerCookie") reveal a shocking ignorance though.
Let me bring in my 0.02$ (and this is *not* the perspective of me as a supposedly neutral mod on this website, but me as a D3 player, so all what follows is my heavily biased opinion, honest and unfiltered).
A bit of background: Me and my clan have moved more and more into the competitive scene; mostly on group leaderboards, because with a little bit of theorycrafting, coordination, and somewhat decent gear you can get pretty good rankings without playing 24/7. For example, we made several top 100 rankings at the end of era 2 while being below average paragon (I was the only paragon 800+ in our clan before the double paragon XP week, and our "competitors" that surrounded us on the leaderboards are paragon 1000+) and average gear (you obviously don't have perfect gear with "only" being paragon 700ish).
However, in the past we dropped down significantly in rankings because of several exploits:
None of those exploits was ever fixed in time to avoid leaderboard impact; none of the players abusing it were ever punished - no ban, no rollback, not even loss of leaderboard ranking. And those are only very few examples: Up until last week, Reaper of Souls has been an awesome game for a million of players, but for the few hundreds or thousands that are interested in actually getting good rankings on the leaderboards it's "wait until the next exploit, and either use it or drop from rank #50 to #300" (and the latter is what happened to us time and time again). We sometimes managed to catch up after the exploit was fixed, but it was extremely nerve-wracking to see that Blizzard just didn't care at all about this. And with Wyatt's statement at the Tavern Talk ("we don't care about the leaderboards") the message was pretty obvious: "there's an exploit? we don't give a f*ck. abuse it or lose the game".
I can totally, 100% understand why certain players feel why they wanted to cheat (and that should answer ruksak's question, although it was answered already before you asked 5 times again). Why did he cheat? BECAUSE EVERYBODY CHEATED. Does it make it better? Not at all. But if you're on a highway, there are 3 lanes, the speed limit is 60 km/h, and the speed of the cars on the 3 lanes is 100 km/h, 90 km/h, and 80 km/h, you don't slow down to 60 km/h (if you do you might be from a different country than me or a really good citizen). Especially not if at the end of the road there's a cool concert of your favorite band and the last one gets bad spots with a bad view.
Honestly, think of MannerCookie what you will, but I personally respect him even more after this post, and I don't get all the hate. The rollbacks are still being processed, so wait a few days before condemning MannerCookie and cheering for your favorite streamer; they might take a hit at some point. But keep in mind that they're probably playing the game from a different perspective than you do, and what looks for you like a total loss of respect might just be a completely understandable action (to make this clear: I did not abuse this exploit, as I did never abuse any of the other previous exploits).
So, now you have two people in this thread you guys can hate! But when you do that, please take a deep breath before submitting that and think if you really need to. I was about to lock this topic, but I hope you can bring this discussion back to a more civil level - or just refrain from posting here altogether. If this thread continues to be as toxic as it is though, it'll be locked.
@MannerCookie: Props to the honest words in your OP. And I hope you come back eventually - your contribution to the community for barbs and crusaders was incredible, especially on 2.2 PTR you were like a one-man QA army.
After all, all those cheating players did me and my clan a service: from now on we know that if a new exploit appears, there won't be many people abusing it because of the possibility of getting a ban. Every competitive player thought Blizzard simply had lost interest in banning people for exploiting (because there haven't been any bans). The only bans in RoS were post-season 1 bans, and it was never specified what those players were banned for (botting maybe?). But now the game has changed. Thankfully.
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ModeratorNo, I would not blame the police if I get a speeding ticket (in fact I got a ticket and did not blame them). So didn't MannerCookie, he said the the ban was justified and he doesn't plea to get unbanned, he only elaborates on why the ban came somewhat "random" and unexpected. I really feel you did either not read or not understand his point of view.
I was gonna respond to your post in detail, but comparing someone who cheats in a video game with someone who allegedly shot someone in cold blood is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard, sorry. But it kind of highlights what weird perceptions some of you here have, as if MannerCookie was some kind of divine figure to you and now it turns out he's the devil himself. Seriously... it's a game.
@Silvach: "lost respect" give me a break... All the smalltime streamers / youtubers jump on oppurtunities like this to trash the "convicted"... Coudl your arguments be any more repetitive and dull? We got it, he cheated... Let's put him on a stake and burn him?
A lot of players exploited every exploit that went live and no one got banned - Naturally people assumed they won't get banned this time either but they were wrong and got rolled back. No one lost any respect in my opinion, if i had the time on that day i would have probably used the exploit too.
All the white knights going out on a crusade is just pathetic, give it a break jesus christ.
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ModeratorHe did not ask for respect, he did not say he was forced, and he did not know about the exploit on PTR. I can clearly see now that you did not read his post.
Just one last thing: what you suggest as the perfect solution (do it once on stream, report it to Blizzard, and hope for a fix) is EXACTLY what was done with all the previous exploits I mentioned. And there were never any repercussions, and the people who abused the exploit (including streamers that went offline to repeat the exploit a million times) retained all their benefits in terms of gear, paragon, and rankings.
You can't really get leaderboard rankings being 100k bloodshards behind the other people..
I find it odd that this is the first time blizzard has done some serious punishing for exploiting though.
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Curse PremiumI will keep this as short as possible.
Blizzard has always been very slow to fix bugs and hasn't really punished anyone severely in the past (just botters get banned) so we've all gotten used to the idea that it's okay to abuse the game as much as possible to get advantages. They have finally drawn a line this time which is a good thing but unfortunately someone trying to do good got caught by his own mistake. I don't agree with the fact that they ONLY banned mannercookie even though other streamers showed it briefly as well before scumbagging it up off stream. However much I appreciate his actions for making it well known, I still do not feel any sorrow for him because he chose to do it on his main account.
Now that we know they actually care about sploits, I wish they would make it more clear where the line is though. For instance, there is currently a bug with gelatinous goblins splitting up way more than they should (reports of up to 100 gobs). Are we going to get punished if we keep killing them while they are bugged or are they just going to ignore it while they slowly hotfix it after they have responded to bug reports?
Holy shit the lack of context you all lack here is unreal.
Do you honestly think a player like Mannercookie who has contributed way more to theory crafting (for barbs and saders) than 99% of this forum ever will did it because he was not capable of doing it "fairly"? FFS on the stream he showed the exploit, he did it for shits and giggles on a wizard NOT his barb or crusader. Do you think he was gonna play the wizard for the rest of season with whatever gear he got rather than his barb or sader? If you watched the stream, he clearly did not do the exploit as a way to get a head because he half-assed it with a wizard in order to bring awareness to it (like he mentioned in the op). If you are the type of person to lose "respect" for someone over something meaningless like this then your respect is worth shit.
Ask any other pro streamer and you will see that the overall consensus is that it sucked that MC got banned. MC is the barb/crus "guy" that everyone looked to for the latest information.
Someone had multiple reasons for commiting an act, how unconceivable?
Seriously dude, i dono if you are trying to get views for your channel by trashing MC but just give it a rest, your last 10 posts are all repeating the same shit over and over, we get it.
Bagstone, would you agree that we would all have been a lot better off if Blizzard had handed out bans and rollbacks for exploiters a long time ago?
Nobody is trying to trash MC reps, the man knew the risks and get banned and many others got rolledback already and people know who used the bloodshards exploits.
The other streamers or non-streamers who exploited are not better than him most of them get the same responds from the community like we see in here, Do i need to call their names here for a reminder? Not going to name and shame cause that's no secret and everyone can find out, some of them have done even worse things than that, But as a streamers they have 2 options (Builds or Wrecks) reputation.
If you build it you know you're followed even by games Devs.
If you Wreck it you know you're followed by all the Kappa hate wagon.
I knew it's just a game and in the same time most of the people who are in defense or offense side toward this thread are all worked up already, and that kind of action will erase the "It's just a game" idea.
In real life sports some people use steroids and no matter what's the reason they used it for they will get the same responds from their fans and community and they will get banned from competitions.
MC shouldn't risk his reputation just because Blizzard don't care about Leaderboards, or taking actions slowly or never listen and nobody risk that just for fun, he brought that to himself Not the fans Not the community and Not even the responds in this whole thread.
However i don't hate MC i do really wish him all good and if he want to get back again he should take it easy and be wise as a streamer.