I like reading through the different builds on this forum and there appears to be a lot of diversity, but I feel like I rarely see builds with arcane torrent as the spender/main damage*.
I see a lot of builds that use arcane orb (esp with frozen orb) and disintegrate, but never arcane torrent even though it costs less ap (16 vs, 30 for orb or 18 for disintegrate) and does more damage (573% vs 381 for orb or 511% for disintegrate before taking any runes into account). Am I missing something?
Totally honest question, not trolling. If there is a "common knowledge" aspect to this, please help me out - its not common to me! Thanks!
Arcane Torrent doesn't penetrate (and thus doesn't hit tons of enemies unless you use Cascade - and even then, the AOE is not the full amount of damage). Frozen Orb and Disintegrate penetrate and hit as many enemies as there are in their path. Same reason people don't really use Ray of Frost (though they might with that new legendary that gives RoF penetration). Also, AT has that delay before it starts firing/hitting - doesn't feel very fast to me.
I don't use it often because you need to stand still to channel it. I'll change to it if I'm in a group for ubers, since I'm not always being focused, but that's really the only time I've found a use for it.
It has 3 downsides to it. Standing still to cast, which apart from Explosive blast is pretty much the case for every Wizard spell. And the second being it has a smaller area of damage, which doesn't really matter that much unless you run to big groups of mobs that spread. 3rd being travel time for bolts.. don't think it's really a downside in anything but low difficulty and group play.
Now to the plusses. You don't have to use a signature spell. It does far more damage than even double exploded Frozen Orb. It can be perma channeled without APoC with slower attack speeds and high regen. You can use it over walls, only limit being LoS and it's maximum range. You can direct the bolts while they are on the move.
Overall people do underestimate Arcane Torrent by quite a bit.. It has it's drawbacks, which does make it the sort of you have to be tanky caster to use it come RoS. But it's damage for the most part does win over the drawbacks. In the end it depends on your gear, preferences and mob type/density. Some legendaries do tip the scale towards Frost builds on higher difficulties though.
I'm running T5 grps and it's working absolutely majestic - My spec is 100% revolved around arcane damage, so Arcane Torrent + Archon, things are crazy.
On T4 Solo i kill elite packs within 5-10 seconds mostly, only using Arcane Torrent, and in Archon if they are stacked, about 3 seconds.
I stream daily RoS, i can link it to you if you are interrested (dont want to invade the thread, next stream tomorrow 13:00CET)
I find it really important to get a lot of arcane% dmg, and Arcane Torrent dmg, the numbers really amp up.
Buffed i have about 1.5 million dps (Not EDPS), and usually my Arcane Torrents crit like 4-5million, although i see the odd insane crit for some reason.
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- Mario Andretti
I use Arcane Torrent as well. I have always found it preferable to all other main spells. Arcane Torrent is the hardest hitting spell Wizards have. Cascade allows for the spell to jump if you require a wider spread, and Disruption increases Arcane Damage by 15% for 6 seconds where Disintegrate w/ Intensify increase for only 4 seconds. Arc Torrent is castable & spammable, but it is not channeled. Ray of Frost & Disintegrate are channeled, which is a huge difference.
Black Hole w/ Spell Steal + Frost Nova w/ Bone Chill + Arcane Torrent w/ Disruption = best wizard combo right now
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I see a lot of builds that use arcane orb (esp with frozen orb) and disintegrate, but never arcane torrent even though it costs less ap (16 vs, 30 for orb or 18 for disintegrate) and does more damage (573% vs 381 for orb or 511% for disintegrate before taking any runes into account). Am I missing something?
Totally honest question, not trolling. If there is a "common knowledge" aspect to this, please help me out - its not common to me! Thanks!
*I know this threadhttp://www.diablofans.com/forums/diablo-iii-class-forums/wizard-the-ancient-repositories/82881-2-0-build-arcane-torrent-melee-wizard is very recent and features torrent
Now to the plusses. You don't have to use a signature spell. It does far more damage than even double exploded Frozen Orb. It can be perma channeled without APoC with slower attack speeds and high regen. You can use it over walls, only limit being LoS and it's maximum range. You can direct the bolts while they are on the move.
Overall people do underestimate Arcane Torrent by quite a bit.. It has it's drawbacks, which does make it the sort of you have to be tanky caster to use it come RoS. But it's damage for the most part does win over the drawbacks. In the end it depends on your gear, preferences and mob type/density. Some legendaries do tip the scale towards Frost builds on higher difficulties though.
I'm running T5 grps and it's working absolutely majestic - My spec is 100% revolved around arcane damage, so Arcane Torrent + Archon, things are crazy.
On T4 Solo i kill elite packs within 5-10 seconds mostly, only using Arcane Torrent, and in Archon if they are stacked, about 3 seconds.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Nitrak-2658/hero/8119139
I stream daily RoS, i can link it to you if you are interrested (dont want to invade the thread, next stream tomorrow 13:00CET)
I find it really important to get a lot of arcane% dmg, and Arcane Torrent dmg, the numbers really amp up.
Buffed i have about 1.5 million dps (Not EDPS), and usually my Arcane Torrents crit like 4-5million, although i see the odd insane crit for some reason.
- Mario Andretti
Black Hole w/ Spell Steal + Frost Nova w/ Bone Chill + Arcane Torrent w/ Disruption = best wizard combo right now