[Guide] Comprehensive CMWW Guide [PRE 2.0 PATCH]

  • #141
    I actually just switched to a 0% MS setup with wormhole and I don't really notice any difference in mobility over 12% MS. If you're not using teleport then it's probably much more noticable and might not be a good idea, but you can try it.

    I'm glad you use SA for farming. It seems like 90% of the profiles I see for people asking for suggestions use pinpoint barrier for CMWW and it makes me cringe. EA over SA is like 1 MP level worth of mitigation.

    For SC, it has as many random rolls as Mempo, technically. It just doesn't have the wonderfull high resist, life%, and socket standard, so I can understand if you want to keep the mempo. Don't neglect the bonus damage vs elites though, but it mostly boils down to EHP vs DPS, though the extra LoH from the SC makes up a bit for the lower EHP. Think of it this way: With SC you could get around 1000 LoH. Without you have more like 600-700, so you raise your life returns by a good 30-50%. Losing the AR will only make you take at most 10% more damage, so it's a net win in survivability. Still, it's your call, especially since it messes up IAS a bit.
    Wizard DPS and EHP Spreadsheet, mostly useful for wizards.
    Crusader DPS and EHP Spreadsheet, meant for Crusaders
    My Wizard
  • #142
    If you want to to check how much life per second back you're getting, you can up load your profile in this calc: http://d3cmww.com/cmww

    I run 434 loh + BM and it nets me about 7k life/sec.
  • #143
    Ain't been playin' much lately, but when I do I'm always running BM now.

    I ditched the whole Dagger/Triumvirate thing I was doing and went back to Chantodo's @ 2.74+. I finally managed to pull well past the 300k mark I wanted while maintaining 2.74+ IAS, currently sitting at sheet DPS of 351k (buffed) which shoots all the way up to 411k with Deep Freeze. I tried Glass Cannon too for a while but I think the damage increase from it is so minimal compared to the survivability you lose, so I switched back to Evocation.

    As far as defensives go, could use more armor but I think I'm doing just fine. Keeping all res @ ~730, and coupled with the above mentioned damage/speed setup; as well as 1014 LoH, I can sometimes do silly things like facetank desecrators + arcane beams.

    Definitely recommend BM for anyone with similar gear setups.
  • #144
    I could use some help with my wizard, as I cant balance ehp with dps.
    http://d3up.com/b/485166
    I am aiming for 2.73 breakpoint, so my priority is to craft gloves until I get ones with high crit and AS. What else can I switch to gain more ehp without loosing too much dps? Tal rasha`s chest with AR+armor and lacuni`s with higher crit and AR?
    Also, how much mitigation do you need to survive a fanatic explosions in MP10?
  • #145
    Yeah you need IAS gloves like you said. Problem for you is you're starting to get up there where upgrades cost a lot and also have a domino effect (you upgrade something but then you need to change another piece just to make the first upgrade work). The cheapest direct upgrade may be as you mentioned: Lacunis with high crit and armor (since you got good all res but less than 4k armor). You're also missing armor on shoulders.

    Another cheap huge DPS boost can come in the forum of an IAS Unity (you will gain damage, 200+ LoH but lose a tiny amount of Vit). In a perfect world, I would tell you to switch your Storm Crow too for a high crit Mempo (cause you have a very nice Chantodo set) but then again that would cost... a looot. You also may need another LoH source for this upgrade too.

    ***Edit***: Never mind on the Storm Crow you need it. Just noticed your offhand doesn't have APoC.

    No idea about the terrorists in Keep Depths... I've believe I've survived them before but probably only with group buffs. They generally still one-shot me both in CM and Archon. I never tried going EHP heavy though, like some people try running Archon with 200-300k DPS, 100k+ life, high res and armor. For me to try something like that would require a few billion gold and would STILL result in massive DPS loss, so I'm not too motivated for it. I'd rather just wait for 1.0.8 and play Archon in groups so I don't need that much EHP, and still keep sheet DPS of 450k+ unbuffed / 600k+ buffed.

    This is all Archon though, not CM. For CM you should never really go EHP heavy like that. I have ~45k life, ~1k LoH, ~730 res, ~4.4k armor and it allows me to run around MP10 freely farming in full DPS SNS spec without any problems at all. I rarely get killed by terrorists if I'm paying attention and perma-freeze them or run away correctly.
  • #146
    I think the maniacs do around 450k damage on MP10 so you want 450-500k EHP to be able to survive. Blur works against them though, so you can use that for an extra 20% to your EHP.

    To reach 2.73 APS with a 1.65 APS OS chanto, you need 66% IAS on gear. I see 62% on the d3up profile so you need another IAS piece. Crafting will get you there eventually or you can pick up a cheap pair on the AH, though you'll lose dps by doing that.

    Alternatively you can use a IAS Chanto. With a 1.78 or 1.79 Chanto you can reach 2.73 APS with just 6 IAS pieces, so you can drop IAS from 2 items, which gives you options for higher DPS and/or EHP. That means you could keep your gloves and you could swap from Lacuni to crafted bracers. This is generally the easier way to build a set for high mitigation while still allowing you to reach high DPS.
    Wizard DPS and EHP Spreadsheet, mostly useful for wizards.
    Crusader DPS and EHP Spreadsheet, meant for Crusaders
    My Wizard
  • #147
    Thanks for your help, finally crafted some gloves that boosted me past the breakpoint. Going to work on getting more armor items now, too bad that 1 str = 1 armor.
    I`ll try to get a unity when I craft some better gloves, as the ones I have now barely work.
    I actually have an IAS Chantodo, its a nice trick to get past 3.01 on ubers.
  • #148
    I would love some suggestions on where to go next. I am still very very new at this and am running on some loaner gear, although some of it is my own now. I know that I need to add CC but other than that where should I turn? Gold is limited, I have only about 55 million. I have found that the actual cost of pieces on the AH are far more expensive than what has been represented on the forums I read.

    http://us.battle.net...6/hero/32309069

    Thanks for the help!
  • #149
    You really need more crit. If I'd adding it up right you only have 28% unbuffed, 31% with scoundrel. That's not nearly enough to sustain against single target which really hurts your survivability. Drop CD on gloves for 8.5%+, swap from AR to CC for the SC, I'd say 4-4.5% for a few million. That should get you to a decent place in terms of starting crit value. More crit will be better but won't be as vital since you should have good single target sustainability.

    From there you can consider swapping from zuni+lacuni to Tal+rare bracers. Your dps will go up and you'll gain another 4-6%, but you might lose some mitigation and the tal chest is more expensive for less stats than the zuni. This partly depends on how lucky you are with crafted bracers since that's what you'd use ideally (something like 220 int, 4.5% CC, 70 AR, 60+vit to start with). For Tal chest I'd grab something with 70 AR then whatever other stats that you can afford, preferably as high int/vit that doesn't cost too much (should really only be a few million for just AR). I wouldn't worry about paying extra for something with under 600 armor in case you try pricing AR+Armor tal's.

    You can also drop 7% IAS from gear and still maintain your breakpoint, which should make upgrading your gloves a lot easier.
    Wizard DPS and EHP Spreadsheet, mostly useful for wizards.
    Crusader DPS and EHP Spreadsheet, meant for Crusaders
    My Wizard
  • #150
    Thanks so much. That gives me some great goals to strive for in the beginning.
  • #151
    Yeah ! Really good guide !

    I really have not the good stuff for this (http://eu.battle.net/d3/fr/profile/Shudrum-2652/hero/170280), but if I found how to farm more effectively, maybe I should buy a stuff for this.

    Oh, and just a question, maybe less DPS than mine with a better APS will be a best choice ?
    Sorry for my english, I'm french.
  • #152
    Quote from Shudrum

    Yeah ! Really good guide !

    I really have not the good stuff for this (http://eu.battle.net...652/hero/170280), but if I found how to farm more effectively, maybe I should buy a stuff for this.

    Oh, and just a question, maybe less DPS than mine with a better APS will be a best choice ?


    You need to switch half your gear - you don't have any APoC or LoH right now, and your IAS/APS and crit chance are way too low. May also want to add a bit more survivability, but that's secondary for now. Lots of things to swap if you wanna switch to CMWW, and if I dare to ask... why do you wanna switch? By getting all the necessary stuff that makes this build work you'll have a hard time getting past the 100k sheet DPS mark, since it doesn't look like you have an infinite budget. Also, CMWW for farming requires you to hit a couple of keys many times per second, it's extremely tiring. Don't expect to swap 1-2 pieces of gear and be able to farm MP8+ ;-)
  • #153
    Oh no ^^ I know I can't just swap and play MP8 ^^

    I just search another way to play, I only play MP2, maybe 3 if I want some challenge ^^ But I haven't really follow a guide and this is why I think I will try one.
    Sorry for my english, I'm french.
  • #154
    Something you can try if to find someone on the ptr with a CMWW gear set who'll lend it or give it to you to try out. Then you can see if you like the build play style without investing any money at all into it. Otherwise you'll probably need to spend a bit of gold to get a decent starter set going since you'd really need to replace just about everything aside from your rare ring, tal's chest, shoulders, and maybe gloves.

    Still, if you want to try it I recommend aiming for 53-54% IAS on gear (not including weapon), including a chanto OH and SC helm, as cheap as you can find, and use a really cheap 1.63 APS Chanto wand. Don't worry about OS, IAS, or CD on the weapon I think, just whatever you can get for like 20k or really cheap. Then you can try out the build on like MP3-4 and see if you like it. From there you can decide if you want to use the build often or not. If you do, you can then spend some gold on a better chanto set and better SC. You can try a 1.78 or 1.79 APS Chanto wand (10% IAS) and run at the 2.73 APS breakpoint and see if you prefer that, or run at that breakpoint if you plan to run ubers. Get a SC with crit (3.5-4.5% or so depending on budget), and a chanto OH with vit and preferably higher int, but that depends on budget also.
    Wizard DPS and EHP Spreadsheet, mostly useful for wizards.
    Crusader DPS and EHP Spreadsheet, meant for Crusaders
    My Wizard
  • #155
    Wow, so many advices !! Thank you.

    On your guide you've described the base stats but I haven't found from what piece start. You've write so many details ... I will try this now ! I think I will start to found some piece tomorrow, and then write my feelings with this gameplay.

    I have 15M to spend, I think I could found a good stuff for test easily. You make me dream with : "you can try out the build on like MP3-4 and see if you like it". I have never survived on MP4 alone.

    Thank you VERY much.
    Sorry for my english, I'm french.
  • #156
    Thanks alot for this awesome guide!
    I came back to D3 after 6-7 months this helped me ALOT!

    Cheers.
    The greatest trick the devil ever pulled
    was convincing the world he didn't exist.
  • #157
    Well, I've buy some stuff and ... oh, what can I say ...

    WOW, just ... wow. I'M INVICIBLE !

    This is what I feel ^^ I just spam, run, spam run and the only time I'm dead is because I haven't been coordinated and haven't recall diamond skin.

    So powerfull and fun ^^ Thank you !
    Sorry for my english, I'm french.
  • #158
    Yeah this guide is COMPLETE!
    So very good and nice!

    I personally urge players to reach the 2.72 APS i really makes you unbeatable even if you have lower dps. The only thing is that it takes some time in higher dps.

    Also the use of StormArmor instead of Energy Armor is the BEST dps boost you ever gonna get! BUT it requires you to have pretty good EHP.

    Example runnig MP8 and meet a elite pack.
    Time to kill pack with Energy Armor for me is about 30 seconds
    Time to kill pack with Storm Armor for me is about 15 seconds
    **Farming is my life**
  • #159
    Quote from Ultragrisen

    I personally urge players to reach the 2.72 APS i really makes you unbeatable even if you have lower dps. The only thing is that it takes some time in higher dps.


    The breakpoint is 2.7273 or 2.73 APS, so if your char sheet says 2.72 you're just below. I encourage anyone who plans to do ubers to hit 2.73 but otherwise 2.5 works well enough for some, like me. I find it much easier to add on dps and mitigation at 2.5 since I can use an OS chanto and crafted bracers instead of having to use an IAS chanto or Lacuni. There's a lot of people that agree 2.73 is the place to be, I just prefer to leave it to the individual.
    Wizard DPS and EHP Spreadsheet, mostly useful for wizards.
    Crusader DPS and EHP Spreadsheet, meant for Crusaders
    My Wizard
  • #160
    Quote from Loroese

    The breakpoint is 2.7273 or 2.73 APS, so if your char sheet says 2.72 you're just below. I encourage anyone who plans to do ubers to hit 2.73 but otherwise 2.5 works well enough for some, like me. I find it much easier to add on dps and mitigation at 2.5 since I can use an OS chanto and crafted bracers instead of having to use an IAS chanto or Lacuni. There's a lot of people that agree 2.73 is the place to be, I just prefer to leave it to the individual.


    First of all, thanks for the nice guide you have written.

    I recently started playing CM and I am aiming for the mentioned 2.73 breakpoint, but I can not get an idea what to swap or which items need upgrading in a way not to lose much EHP. Is there any chance of getting an advice in this matter? Should I just sacrifice my DPS in order to get closer to the breakpoint?

    Link to my soso: http://eu.battle.net...5/hero/24935688
    Stats: http://i.imgur.com/YJTFktY.jpg?1

    Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you.
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