switching to CM from Archon

  • #1
    I am trying out CM, got some cheap Chantodos/APoC gear.

    I like this play style. Its a bit crazy, but a lot fun to see things sploding all around you.

    I've read the guide; what's the easiest/cheapest way I can improve.

    http://us.battle.net...21/hero/4374449

    I *think* my main deficiencies are LoH and Crit chance.

    Also, what MP would my current stats be able to handle. I have been playing 4. Dying a bit more than in archon, but Im not used to CM yet. My hand keeps getting tired from all the mashing. :)

    EDIT- I should say, most of the time I cruise threw everything. But every now and again, I die real fast. Not sure whats going on. Elites typically bow to me in about 10 seconds. I think what is happening is I am standing in fire/arcane sentry/poison and my WW is not hitting anything so I am not getting the constant refresh, but am not sure; its a bit hard to see with all the chaos. Also, I find its really hard to stay in place with the constant left button mashing, plus I pick up a lot of crap items because of all the clicking.
  • #2
    1) Diabloprogress link for convenience, makes it easier to get summary of stats: http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/hvgotcodes-1121/Robillard/4374449

    2) Your EHP is quite low. You could increase all aspects of it (a bit more armor, allres, and HP).

    3) The LS on your Chantodo's is not as useful as a bit more LoH would be; you're right, you should get more LoH. Get BT pants and/or a ring with LoH as you probably want to replace your Zuni's items anyways.

    4) Try to get to the 2.7273 APS breakpoint, it helps you get more life in return, the stunlock gets better and you take less damage.

    5) Your crit is way too low. Aim for 45%. Also, unless you're really doing well on EHP and CMWW stats (APS, crit, APoC) don't switch to Storm Armor but take Energy Armor, in your case with Pinpoint Barrier rune to get more crit.

    You're basically on the lower side for all stats that you need for a CMWW wizard. It's okay if you lack a certain stat as long as yo make up for it by increasing another stat (e.g., if you have really good stunlock you can sacrifice some EHP because you take less damage), but you're low on almost all stats. You need to work on some of them.

    => Get a Chantodo's MH with IAS, a ring with IAS, crit, and LoH to replace the Zuni ring, some new shoes with allres, armor, vit and maybe life% (you don't necessarily need movement speed if you have Teleport), and switch to more defensive skills (EA, Blur).
  • #3
    If your hands are getting tired you should know that during the fight you can hold down Explosive Blast and Diamond Skin instead of mashing them and they'll go off asap.

    The only one you need to mash is Frost Nova. So try setting your build up to acommodate that.
    And may the odds be ever in your favour.
    Emmo#2406
  • #4
    Like bagstone said, buy blackthorne's pants, they will help you a lot. Also craft amu with ~9 crit chance. These would be the immediate improvements since you aren't that rich from what I see. To improve your ehp you can also replace some topazes with amethysts, you have very high dps in compare to your ehp.
    Regarding your skills, since the cm build basically freezes everything, reactive armor doesn't have its place(you stop them from attacking you=>reactive armor loses its effectiveness). When working properly I suggest using shocking aspect, it gives extra dmg on crits and that is what you want. At your current state/gear try using ice armor-crystalize or prismatic armor for those rez since you say mostly fire/arcane/poison kills you... Also try out slow time-strech time(for reaching the breackpoint) or time warp. Replace teleport and see how it goes... (don't use it vs lightning affix :D)
  • #5
    CC SC
    non APoC OH, preferably with vit and 200+int
    CC/IAS ammy or CC+CD if you get enough IAS on other pieces to reach breakpoint
    OS chanto for 2.5 APS or IAS if you want to reach 2.73
    Trifecta ring over zuni
    Ice Climbers with armor and vit over zuni boots
    BT pants over inna's

    Some of those were already said but those are the main changes I'd make. Also SA over Reactive armor. With crystal shell hopefully you won't have too much survivability problems for now, but as you upgrade those pieces you'll want to keep an eye out for good defensive stats, particularly the pants and boots. AR+armor is the way I like to go with the pants, and vit+armor for the boots. Eventually you'll want to add armor and/or resists to other pieces, like chest and belt, maybe armor on ring since those tend to be much cheaper than AR.
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  • #6
    Quote from Loroese

    CC SC
    non APoC OH, preferably with vit and 200+int
    CC/IAS ammy or CC+CD if you get enough IAS on other pieces to reach breakpoint
    OS chanto for 2.5 APS or IAS if you want to reach 2.73
    Trifecta ring over zuni
    Ice Climbers with armor and vit over zuni boots
    BT pants over inna's

    Some of those were already said but those are the main changes I'd make. Also SA over Reactive armor. With crystal shell hopefully you won't have too much survivability problems for now, but as you upgrade those pieces you'll want to keep an eye out for good defensive stats, particularly the pants and boots. AR+armor is the way I like to go with the pants, and vit+armor for the boots. Eventually you'll want to add armor and/or resists to other pieces, like chest and belt, maybe armor on ring since those tend to be much cheaper than AR.


    Thanx....CC SC?
  • #7
    Got some ice climbers and blackthornes pants for now, so prolly added >+100 to AR.

    Trifecta rings are crazy expensive, as are Chantodos Wands with IAS.
  • #8
    Quote from Emmo

    If your hands are getting tired you should know that during the fight you can hold down Explosive Blast and Diamond Skin instead of mashing them and they'll go off asap.

    The only one you need to mash is Frost Nova. So try setting your build up to acommodate that.


    OMG that is so much better
  • #9
    Crit Chance Storm Crow
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  • #10
    Quote from hvgotcodes

    Thanx....CC SC?


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  • #11
    sorry, what OS Chanto?

    Im farming MP6 fairly comfortably with some of the suggested upgrades.
  • #12
    This is a OS Chanto:

    http://us.battle.net...chantodos-force


    I guess OS means Offhand-Source. :)

    EDIT: I took a look on Jaetch's Diablo 3 Urban Dictionary, but OS states for Open Socket, which I'm pretty sure it wasn't what Loroese meant.
  • #13
    Quote from Bribous

    This is a OS Chanto:

    http://us.battle.net...chantodos-force


    I guess OS means Offhand-Source. :)

    EDIT: I took a look on Jaetch's Diablo 3 Urban Dictionary, but OS states for Open Socket, which I'm pretty sure it wasn't what Loroese meant.



    No, he definitely meant "Open Socket (OS) Chantodo's Will" for easily reaching the 2.5+ breakpoint or "Increased Attack Speed (IAS) Chantodo's Will" for reaching the higher breakpoints at 2.73+ or even 3.01+.

    OH would be "off-hand" source, or an "off-hand" weapon.

    Edit: No he def mean os chant for 2.5 bp or ias chant for high bp 2.73 or 3.01 for proper sns with good aps. now needs mit for better ehp, pref res and more armor or str. drop evo for ua if survival is a prob, else conflag could be fun with sc proc

    How's that for lingo?
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  • #14
    Quote from Jaetch

    Quote from Bribous

    This is a OS Chanto:

    http://us.battle.net...chantodos-force


    I guess OS means Offhand-Source. :)

    EDIT: I took a look on Jaetch's Diablo 3 Urban Dictionary, but OS states for Open Socket, which I'm pretty sure it wasn't what Loroese meant.



    No, he definitely meant "Open Socket (OS) Chantodo's Will" for easily reaching the 2.5+ breakpoint or "Increased Attack Speed (IAS) Chantodo's Will" for reaching the higher breakpoints at 2.73+ or even 3.01+.

    OH would be "off-hand" source, or an "off-hand" weapon.

    Edit: No he def mean os chant for 2.5 bp or ias chant for high bp 2.73 or 3.01 for proper sns with good aps. now needs mit for better ehp, pref res and more armor or str. drop evo for ua if survival is a prob, else conflag could be fun with sc proc

    How's that for lingo?


    how would the open socket help?
  • #15
    You put a big emerald in it for the crit damage. Since your crit chance should be 50% or more, the crit damage can really boost your output.
    And may the odds be ever in your favour.
    Emmo#2406
  • #16
    @OP

    You may be the first person I've come across within the last 400 days or so of playing this game who actually questioned the usefulness of a socket in a weapon.
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  • #17
    OS in the weapon, not the OH.
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  • #18
    Quote from Jaetch

    @OP

    You may be the first person I've come across within the last 400 days or so of playing this game who actually questioned the usefulness of a socket in a weapon.


    :) He originally wrote


    and thought he meant get the OS "to get to 2.5", not "if you are happy with 2.5, get an OS", and I didn't see how the socket would help in getting to 2.5, since so far as i know no gem will increase attack speeds.

    Whats good for the Chantodos offhand?
  • #19
    200+int and 50+vit are good targets for the OH, though you can trade extra int for ave damage to get similar dps for cheaper at times. Just look over a bunch of different OHs and compare what dps you get.

    As for as the whole OS and breakpoint issue, reaching 2.73 APS with an OS weapon required 8 IAS pieces. With an IAS chanto you can reach 2.73 with as few as 6 IAS pieces. To reach 2.5 APS you can use and OS weapon and only 6 IAS pieces. With just 6 pieces you can use a non-IAS ammy for high DPS (CC+CD) and crafted bracers for high DPS+EHP, as well as a SC helm for LoH+APoC. IMO the most efficient method of gearing for breakpoints is like that, specifically using an OS chanto for 2.5 with 6 IAS pieces, or an IAS weapon for 2.73, with 6 IAS pieces. If your IAS wand is too slow you will need a 7th slot though, which is fine if you have a good trifecta ammy.

    There's more info about how much IAS is needed with each weapon in my CMWW guide, and I have a reference table with IAS needed to reach breakpoints for various weapons in my DPS/EHP spreadsheet.
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  • #20
    Quote from Loroese

    200+int and 50+vit are good targets for the OH, though you can trade extra int for ave damage to get similar dps for cheaper at times. Just look over a bunch of different OHs and compare what dps you get.

    As for as the whole OS and breakpoint issue, reaching 2.73 APS with an OS weapon required 8 IAS pieces. With an IAS chanto you can reach 2.73 with as few as 6 IAS pieces. To reach 2.5 APS you can use and OS weapon and only 6 IAS pieces. With just 6 pieces you can use a non-IAS ammy for high DPS (CC+CD) and crafted bracers for high DPS+EHP, as well as a SC helm for LoH+APoC. IMO the most efficient method of gearing for breakpoints is like that, specifically using an OS chanto for 2.5 with 6 IAS pieces, or an IAS weapon for 2.73, with 6 IAS pieces. If your IAS wand is too slow you will need a 7th slot though, which is fine if you have a good trifecta ammy.

    There's more info about how much IAS is needed with each weapon in my CMWW guide, and I have a reference table with IAS needed to reach breakpoints for various weapons in my DPS/EHP spreadsheet.


    Thank you so much. You are a gentleman and a scholar when it comes to D3. In your guide you mention Damage Reduction in your chart for stats vs MP level -- how does one calculate that (I dont see it on Diableprogress)?
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