what kind of weapon stats am I looking for?

  • #1
    I have a 675 weapon, with +152-372 Arc dmg, +24% dmg, and 103 int, and a gem that give +14 min dmg and +14 max dmg.
    How does it compare to a 900 weapon, with +153 min dmg, +354 max dmg, +44 dmg, 63 int?
    Does it matter if it is Arc dmg? All my spells are Arcane!
    And what is all these stats? The only one I understand is Int ;)
  • #2
    First off, the elemental damage type does not matter, unless it's Cold. It'll slow if it's Cold damage. I guess if you use Basic Attack with an Arcane damage weapon and have the passive that slows with Arcane damage, it might slow the guy, but I don't play a Wizard so I'm not sure on that. I also really doubt you'd be using Basic Attack, so it's irrelevant anyway.

    Intellect increases the damage your skills do. If you scroll over Intellect in your character sheet, it'll tell you how much your damage is increased by Intellect. More Intellect will increase that number. Every 10 Intellect also gives you 1 Resist All.

    The +24% Damage on your weapon is just that: it increased the damage your weapon had by 24%. So, without that affix your weapon would do 544 DPS.

    The gem that gives +14 Min/Max Damage just moves the damage range on your weapon up by 14. So if it did 500-600 damage without, it would do 514-614 damage with.

    The +44 Damage (unless you just forgot a %), is just an additional +44 damage to the weapon.

    Every damage-modifying affix on a weapon is already calculated into the shown damage numbers. Affixes that do not calculate into the shown damage are things like 102 Intellect, +1.4% Chance to Stun on Hit, 305 Life on Hit, 2.9% Life Steal, etc.

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
  • #3
    Thank you Aldrek. The +44 was supposed to be +44%. So that % is only for my weapon and is already in the weapon dmg? I was hoping it increased my overall dmg with that amount of %.
    Yes I am using the passive slow on arcane.
    I am using Arcane torrent and Arcane Hydra, as dmg abilities.
    and I was thinking that + arcane dmg is useful since I have arcane spells. and that + dmg is physical hits?
    how much dps increase would I get if I uppgrade from 675 to a 900 wep?
  • #4
    Quote from halvlitern

    Thank you Aldrek. The +44 was supposed to be +44%. So that % is only for my weapon and is already in the weapon dmg? I was hoping it increased my overall dmg with that amount of %.
    The +44% is already calculated into the final damage shown in the tooltip.

    Quote from halvlitern

    Yes I am using the passive slow on arcane.
    I am using Arcane torrent and Arcane Hydra, as dmg abilities.
    and I was thinking that + arcane dmg is useful since I have arcane spells. and that + dmg is physical hits?
    The Arcane damage would function exactly the same if it were Fire, Poison, Lightning, Holy, or any other type except Cold. Cold is the only one that does anything special, and due to this is put on weapons in smaller amounts than the other elements. Like I said, Arcane may work with the slowing passive if you were to use Basic Attack. With your actual skills the Arcane damage makes no difference.

    Quote from halvlitern

    how much dps increase would I get if I uppgrade from 675 to a 900 wep?
    I can't tell you. You'd have to equip the item yourself or use a calculator to find out.
  • #5
    There are several stats you should be looking for when finding an upgrade for your wizard in the weapon department, besides better DPS of course:

    #1 Sockets : Crit gems are one of the most powerful upgrades you can have when looking for a weapon. You can get up to 100% crit in a socket, though 70% is really the best you can do cheaply

    #2 (if you have high crit) Arcane on Crit : Wands have the advantage of being fast, being a ranged weapon (if you click Arcane Orb while out of power, you will do 100% weapon damage with the wand, for example), and having this amazing stat. This only works if you have high crit, but the advantages of being able to spam high cost abilities improves your DPS far more than the number on your sheet can show.

    #3 Intellect : Fairly obvious, Int is great in all cases for damage.

    #4 Life on Hit : This really depends on what abilities you are using, some abilities have high life on hit coefficients, and this can help deal with reflect damage. Be warned though, this stat makes the weapons very expensive.

    #5 Life on Kill : Many people underestimate the power of a few thousand life on Kill for sustaining your hp. This can save your life, and is deceptively powerful.

    I hope that helps. Personally, I like the combo of having a socket, as well as critical damage natively on the weapon. But then again, I love my crit.
  • #6
    Quote from halvlitern

    I have a 675 weapon, with +152-372 Arc dmg, +24% dmg, and 103 int, and a gem that give +14 min dmg and +14 max dmg.
    How does it compare to a 900 weapon, with +153 min dmg, +354 max dmg, +44 dmg, 63 int?
    Does it matter if it is Arc dmg? All my spells are Arcane!
    And what is all these stats? The only one I understand is Int ;)


    When it comes to weapons the only think that really matters is suing the highest DPS weapon you can find. Everything else doesn't matter so much. If you are looking at 2 weapons of equal DPS then you wanna go with the one thathas better stats for you. As a wizard you're probably looking for Intellect, Crit, Crit damage, socket.
  • #7
    Quote from phoulmouth

    Quote from halvlitern

    I have a 675 weapon, with +152-372 Arc dmg, +24% dmg, and 103 int, and a gem that give +14 min dmg and +14 max dmg.
    How does it compare to a 900 weapon, with +153 min dmg, +354 max dmg, +44 dmg, 63 int?
    Does it matter if it is Arc dmg? All my spells are Arcane!
    And what is all these stats? The only one I understand is Int ;)


    When it comes to weapons the only think that really matters is suing the highest DPS weapon you can find. Everything else doesn't matter so much. If you are looking at 2 weapons of equal DPS then you wanna go with the one thathas better stats for you. As a wizard you're probably looking for Intellect, Crit, Crit damage, socket.


    This is completely wrong. My current weapon is just 789 dps, but it has 65% crit damage + a socket (I have a 90% crit damage gem in it) for a total of 155% crit damage and 125 int. This weapon gives me more DPS than a 1450 dps weapon with no stats.

    With my other gear, my current weapon puts me at 72.1k dps unbuffed. A 1500 dps weapon with no additional stats would put me at 73.9k dps.

    Stats matter a whole lot.
  • #8
    Quote from Morphos


    This is completely wrong. My current weapon is just 789 dps, but it has 65% crit damage + a socket (I have a 90% crit damage gem in it) for a total of 155% crit damage and 125 int. This weapon gives me more DPS than a 1450 dps weapon with no stats.

    With my other gear, my current weapon puts me at 72.1k dps unbuffed. A 1500 dps weapon with no additional stats would put me at 73.9k dps.

    Stats matter a whole lot.


    Totally agree and that's one of the reasons I made my own spreadsheet. I highly recommend using some sort of spreadsheet or dps calculator when comparing weapons because weapon dps alone is not sufficient when determining upgrades, especially if you have a high crit build and are going from a non-crit damage weapon to a double crit damage weapon, as Morphos talked about above. Int is useful but crit damage is HUGE with crit builds or if you are considering a crit build. For a haste build I imagine crit damage is still pretty good but again, check a spreadsheet to see.

    If you're mainly going for a glass cannon crit build I would try to get a double crit weapon if you can (high crit damage+socket) and ignore all other stats unless you want to pay through the roof for one with int also.

    If you're aiming for a tanking build, I think Life on Hit is the main stat to look for but I haven't tried tanking much.
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  • #9
    Quote from Morphos
    This is completely wrong. My current weapon is just 789 dps, but it has 65% crit damage + a socket (I have a 90% crit damage gem in it) for a total of 155% crit damage and 125 int. This weapon gives me more DPS than a 1450 dps weapon with no stats.

    Wouldn't say that. With much better gear (read: lots of %crit and %critdmg) stats can bypass pure weapondps, but most questions asked here are from people barely scratching 10% crit and 100% crit damage, wearing gear worth less than a fraction of yours.

    Loroese gave the maybe best answer, use a spreadsheet/dps-calc to check for your specific situation if you're not certain if it's an upgrade or not. But honestly if you have that question in mind is it really worth all the hassle? Just check for an item that already looks like a real upgrade (for a reasonable price).
  • #10
    Quote from Morphos

    Quote from phoulmouth

    Quote from halvlitern

    I have a 675 weapon, with +152-372 Arc dmg, +24% dmg, and 103 int, and a gem that give +14 min dmg and +14 max dmg.
    How does it compare to a 900 weapon, with +153 min dmg, +354 max dmg, +44 dmg, 63 int?
    Does it matter if it is Arc dmg? All my spells are Arcane!
    And what is all these stats? The only one I understand is Int ;)


    When it comes to weapons the only think that really matters is suing the highest DPS weapon you can find. Everything else doesn't matter so much. If you are looking at 2 weapons of equal DPS then you wanna go with the one thathas better stats for you. As a wizard you're probably looking for Intellect, Crit, Crit damage, socket.


    This is completely wrong. My current weapon is just 789 dps, but it has 65% crit damage + a socket (I have a 90% crit damage gem in it) for a total of 155% crit damage and 125 int. This weapon gives me more DPS than a 1450 dps weapon with no stats.

    With my other gear, my current weapon puts me at 72.1k dps unbuffed. A 1500 dps weapon with no additional stats would put me at 73.9k dps.

    Stats matter a whole lot.


    It gives you more damage assuming you crit more than 50% of yoru attacks. I would get into the math with you but that would be pointless.

    Yes though, you are semi right. If you are a DH with sharpshooter what you say can work, its what I do on mine. But isn't the OP talking about a wizard? For a wizard to make a crit build worthwhile he would need near max crit on every item capable of having it. Good luck withthat.
  • #11
    Aim for the higher dmg weaps imo
  • #12
    Quote from aldrek

    First off, the elemental damage type does not matter, unless it's Cold. It'll slow if it's Cold damage. I guess if you use Basic Attack with an Arcane damage weapon and have the passive that slows with Arcane damage, it might slow the guy, but I don't play a Wizard so I'm not sure on that. I also really doubt you'd be using Basic Attack, so it's irrelevant anyway.



    Usually it doesn't. However, it should be noted:

    Most skills say "damage as Arcane/Fire/Cold"

    If a skill does not specify, it does damage int he type the weapon's affix is.

    Spectral Blade is the main (only?) example of this the Wiz has. In theory you could use spectral blade with a fire weapon and Conflagration.
  • #13
    Quote from blujay

    Quote from aldrek

    First off, the elemental damage type does not matter, unless it's Cold. It'll slow if it's Cold damage. I guess if you use Basic Attack with an Arcane damage weapon and have the passive that slows with Arcane damage, it might slow the guy, but I don't play a Wizard so I'm not sure on that. I also really doubt you'd be using Basic Attack, so it's irrelevant anyway.



    Usually it doesn't. However, it should be noted:

    Most skills say "damage as Arcane/Fire/Cold"

    If a skill does not specify, it does damage int he type the weapon's affix is.

    Spectral Blade is the main (only?) example of this the Wiz has. In theory you could use spectral blade with a fire weapon and Conflagration.
    That makes sense, since I was able to slow large groups of guys with a Cold weapon and Seismic Slam. I don't play Wizard, so I didn't know if it worked with passives or not.
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