Hasansabbah's Panzer Build for MP10&Reflects

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    HASANSABBAH'S PANZER BUILD

    FOR HIGH MP LEVELS & FOR REFLECT PACKS

    Hey Guys & Girls. Most of you know me from my vids & forums. For the people who don’t know me I’m the Doc who can spam endless bears vs Reflect Packs @MP10. This is the sole build which alows you to maintain your top dps on every MP without the fear of reflect packs and it is going to avoid many unnecessary deaths while you play.

    Building a good doc requires proper equipment. And when I build my Doc I keep in mind that the equipment should be viable for PVP as well. This guide also going to give tips on good equipment for PVP

    I am calling this build Panzer Build since you will have incredible defenses as well as good dps output.

    Now Let's gear up our WD properly for this build.


    ARMOR:

    First of all we will want to avoid getting increased attack speed keep that in mind while looking for items.

    For the gear get at least 6-7 pickup radius. Since this build plays almost on melee range it is going to cover our needs

    Needless to say you are going to need 4 pieces of Zunimasa’s Set. For budget issues you may go for lower stats but what you must buy is a chest with %6-7 reduced from elites. You can easily find an affordable chest (5-10m max) with 150-160 int, 70-80 Vit and %6-7 reduced from elites.

    When you read Garganutan restless giant rune you will see the following, "Elite enemies include champions, rares,bosses and other players" So I am guessing it will work as reduced dmg from other players which is going to make this gearing good for pvp as well.

    Our Dps is top when we have SH/GF Up and our dps gain from our base intelligence becomes lower yet the CHD and CC bonuses benefit greatly. Again if you can’t afford helm with 200+ int 5+crit just buy a helm with low int (150-160 int) and mid crit (4-5cc). For example, When unbuffed a helm with 250 int 3 crit may give more dps from a helm with 150 int 5 crit, But when you have SH up the 5 crit will give you more. Just keep that in mind while looking for items.

    Zuni boots, try to get armor or all resistance or just get physical resistance they are also cheaper. If you still can’t afford, buy ones with 120-130 extra str since it also gives armor.

    Ring, İf you can't afford a good one get low cc or average dmg. rings with str are also good for the armor bonus they provide.

    Second ring buy a Litany, Again for more affordable ones you may look for average dmg or double int. But get at least %7 reduced dmg from elites.

    By far we already got %13-14 reduced dmg from elites by items, which is almost same as our JF passive.

    Look for an amulet with high cc and high chd (average damage is plus as well as Tal Rasha’s but they are too expensive) Physical resistance/All resistance/Vitality/Armor and High Int is what we should look for.

    Belt, Witching Hour preferably with 8ias & high chd. Armor/All resistance/Physical Resistance/Vitality are the stats you should look for.

    Offhand, Any offhand with 220+ Average dmg, 8+ cc, Mana Regen is ok. Preferably reduced cost for Zombie bears & vitality are the stats you should look for.

    Gloves, Try to get high cc and chd, don't get the ones with ias, look for high int, vit ar

    Braces, Rare bracers with 5-6 cc, AR or Lacuni with int,crit (%8ias), Strongarm with 140int 60 AR. Also every other extra stat is a plus.

    Pants, If you have Lacuni, use a rare with high int, vit AR 2 sockets or If you have rare bracers buy Inna's with Int and %8 ias. You may look for int+vit but they are more expensive.

    Shoulders, A good Vile Ward or equivalent rare.

    This is it for the armor parts, now lets get a proper weapon.


    WEAPON:

    This is the tricky one and imho this is where many WD’s are confused. Proper 1H weapon for this build is weapons with 1.2 Speed & Black dmg (Black dmg weapons are the ones with +min + max dmg not 300-400 fire, cold, poison etc.)

    Q: Dear Hasansabbah I have a Manajuma Knife with 910DPS, and when I compare it with a spear I seem to loose 10k DPS your suggestion is the dumbest !%+@ I’ve ever seen.

    A: Dear WD, first of all your knife doesn’t benefit from elemental dmg bonuses. Second is that yours have terrible min dmg. With 350-950 (910 dps) damage range you are going to deal lots of low crits. While with a regular spear you may have 570-950 (912dps) you won’t deal low crits since the min dmg max dmg ratio is high. And also your mana won’t burn as much. Back to your question, the reason you see your dps become lower is because of the 0.2 speed difference which is fake dps for us and as I mentioned before, we don’t benefit from ias at all in this build.

    Back to our topic we will also want LS, CHD, int& socket on our weapon, well it is really hard to get so you may just get LS, good dps and socket or instead of socket get high cc. But always invest the majority of your gold on a good weapon since it is the core of your dps.

    Now we can focus on our build. Since these equipmnet greatly benefits from our armor.

    BUILD:

    We have gotten ourselves a good amount of reduced dmg from elites from items, so lets buff it more with our active and passive skills so it . This is going to be our baseline.

    I have been using life link dogs since monster power release when mobs started to hit like a truck. Of course I had lower dps and lower defenses but I could survive mid MP’s with ease. As the tooltip says dmg you receive will be reduced by %10. With our items it is now 24% reduced from elites & %10 reduced from trash. If your base defenses are high your dogs will be real though and they won’t die easily. And each can tank away elites&trash which gives us extra defenses which we don’t see on paper.

    I hear you yelling “But hey mobs still hit like a truck!!” Well ok, let’s add JF too. Now we got 39% reduced from elites (LOL) and %25 reduced from trash.

    For the second passive we take GF which buffs our DPS to boot as well as our All resistance.

    For the third passive I use GI, even on High MP’s it has massive boost to your speed & DPS which is going to be explained with other active skills. Yet if you die a lot you may get Spirit Vessel instead.

    For the rest of the skills,

    Soul Harvest - Vengeful Spirit, If you have picked GI, You will have incredible DPS over crowded trash, as the trash die you will be able to cast it over and over. Just keep in mind that when you are vs packs, try to keep at least 4 stacks up.

    Spirit Walk - Honored Guest, This is our panic button, mana regenerator and since it benefits from GI as well it is great to sprint between trash and you can regenerate your mana way too faster by rapid use of SW.

    Big Bad Voodoo - Slam Dance, Regardless for party or for solo this skill is insane. Again it benefits greatly from GI since it allows you to throw it on almost every pack. If you have mana problems, get the rain dance till you gain a good amount of mana/sec & Reduced cost on bears.

    Mass Confusion - Paranoia, Another sick skill we have. Provides %20 extra dmg taken by mobs, helps fleeing mobs to stay close so you can nuke them easier and helps you loose aggro so you can be safe & deal more dmg.

    Zombie Charger - Zombie Bears, Well nothing much to say about this one. We all know it is the most effective dmg dealer in game.

    Well this it for the build, what we have is, http://eu.battle.net...UYdQ!aTY!cYZbcb

    Now it's time to give you guys some tactics.

    TACTICS:

    Play on maps where there are walls, narrow areas etc. The effective use of bears is when you put your back on the walls/terrain boundaries etc. Try it and you will see bears going on top of each other and you will also realize a considerable range increase.

    Since you will have incredible defenses, you can spam your bears to mobs face to face, or in between crowded areas. And this way you also make sure all yours bears hit your targets.

    Always fight vs packs full stack SH not only for extra dmg but also for extra resistance.

    For reflect fights, try to merge them with non-reflect mobs around so you won't feel much dmg. Use your SW when you are half way down on HP, and of course pick up globes for further resistance and dmg. This way you may deal with reflect mobs which you couldn't deal before.
    As I mentioned on skills keep an eye on your cooldowns in fights so you can spam it over and over.

    Personally I am loving this build both for solo&party. If you want to play on high MP this build gives you ultimate dmg output with high defenses. If you are wondering how it goes on MP10, you may watch the vid below.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjfd3C3SmeM

    Try it and you will see the change of your char. And if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask.

    Merry Christmas!
  • #2
    nice dude! i use a similar build, but i tossed in sacrifice pride more recently, i think mainly because i have low CC, so i don't deal QUITE as much damage as i'd like... but i can definitely deal out some damage... zombie bears is a tasty tasty skill... i'm actually curious to see your MH/OH because i was looking to use a 1hander, but found a decently priced skorn with 5.7LS, and after i got that, MP5 became a joke...also, i considered trying to upgrade my equipment, but i've seemed to hit a wall... i'm at that point where items to upgrade me are considerably more than i can farm.. i kinda like that % reduction from elites, quite frankly i never considered that, i figured the AR and armor on stuff would be a better bet... perhaps i'll lookin into it.. swing by my profile and let me know what you think of my WD, because i've been wanting to improve him to try out MP8-10.. thanks!
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  • #3
    Quote from Ashy_Larry

    nice dude! i use a similar build, but i tossed in sacrifice pride more recently, i think mainly because i have low CC, so i don't deal QUITE as much damage as i'd like... but i can definitely deal out some damage... zombie bears is a tasty tasty skill... i'm actually curious to see your MH/OH because i was looking to use a 1hander, but found a decently priced skorn with 5.7LS, and after i got that, MP5 became a joke...also, i considered trying to upgrade my equipment, but i've seemed to hit a wall... i'm at that point where items to upgrade me are considerably more than i can farm.. i kinda like that % reduction from elites, quite frankly i never considered that, i figured the AR and armor on stuff would be a better bet... perhaps i'll lookin into it.. swing by my profile and let me know what you think of my WD, because i've been wanting to improve him to try out MP8-10.. thanks!


    Hi, reduced dmg from elites makes huge differance. No affix on single item gives you that much protection. Also I am assuming that it will be good in pvp because of the following phrase in my guide,

    When you read Garganutan restless giant rune you will see the following, "Elite enemies include champions, rares,bosses and other players" So I am guessing it will work as reduced dmg from other players which is going to make this gearing good for pvp as well.

    To be able to do MP8 efficiently you got alot to upgrade, If I were you I would get cheap inna for movement speed and get a strongarm or rare bracers with crit/AR. Also you may find really good amulets with 8 crit 70 chd on max 10-15m range. You gotta have at least 150k dps to go MP8 with this build.
  • #4
    Quote from Hasansabbat

    Quote from Ashy_Larry


    To be able to do MP8 efficiently

    You cannot do MP8 efficiently.. You can do mp8 yes, but not efficiently.
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  • #5
    Quote from Huminator

    Quote from Hasansabbat

    Quote from Ashy_Larry


    To be able to do MP8 efficiently

    You cannot do MP8 efficiently.. You can do mp8 yes, but not efficiently.


    m8 I'm doing MP10 with a monk at a speed where most of u do MP4. Just watch the second part of the video it is wih my old gear now I got 30k more dps. You can imagine the speed increase.

    High MP is more rewarding if you do it in a quick way. The reason ppl do low mp is;

    1- They dont have proper gear for high MP
    2- Streamers run low MP's and everyone thinks low mp is good.

    If I have streamed only 1 run ppl would start doing mp9-10 when they see the number of legends-sets dropping in a such a small time. Not to mention you get a lot of yellows dropping.
  • #6
    Did you remove the link to the video?
  • #7
    Nice build dude! +1

  • #8
    dunno what's wrong with the video I put it and it gets removed between edits I put it again now :S
  • #9
    Thanks Hasan! Your advice just prompted me to upgrade from this Manajuma's:

    http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/Galadyn/D3Sell/Juma_zpscd378552.jpg

    ... to this spear:

    http://i9.photobucke...zpsc135a563.jpg

    That damage range is pretty impressive for only 150M IMO; what do you think?
  • #10
    that is really a huge upgrade. I remember the time when I have switched to spear from manajuma's. Game was in a different level after the change :) And price is real good for that one.
  • #11
    Quote from Hasansabbat

    Quote from Huminator

    Quote from Hasansabbat

    Quote from Ashy_Larry


    To be able to do MP8 efficiently

    You cannot do MP8 efficiently.. You can do mp8 yes, but not efficiently.


    m8 I'm doing MP10 with a monk at a speed where most of u do MP4. Just watch the second part of the video it is wih my old gear now I got 30k more dps. You can imagine the speed increase.

    High MP is more rewarding if you do it in a quick way. The reason ppl do low mp is;

    1- They dont have proper gear for high MP
    2- Streamers run low MP's and everyone thinks low mp is good.

    If I have streamed only 1 run ppl would start doing mp9-10 when they see the number of legends-sets dropping in a such a small time. Not to mention you get a lot of yellows dropping.

    You don't. And i got no idea what makes you think you do. What you are saying are straight out bullshit. But feel free to log 10 runs on mp8 and 10 runs on mp1. And then we will see the difference. You are completely wrong in your claims that mp8 for a monk is as efficient as the low mp. I guarantee you that doing mp0 is over 20 million xp per hour better than mp8.
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  • #12
    Quote from Hasansabbat

    that is really a huge upgrade. I remember the time when I have switched to spear from manajuma's. Game was in a different level after the change :) And price is real good for that one.


    Definitely. I'd been farming MP0 because it's so easy, but I can honestly say that with this spear, MP2 feels like MP0 used to. Thanks for the advice!
  • #13
    Quote from Huminator

    Quote from Hasansabbat

    Quote from Huminator

    Quote from Hasansabbat

    Quote from Ashy_Larry


    To be able to do MP8 efficiently

    You cannot do MP8 efficiently.. You can do mp8 yes, but not efficiently.


    m8 I'm doing MP10 with a monk at a speed where most of u do MP4. Just watch the second part of the video it is wih my old gear now I got 30k more dps. You can imagine the speed increase.

    High MP is more rewarding if you do it in a quick way. The reason ppl do low mp is;

    1- They dont have proper gear for high MP
    2- Streamers run low MP's and everyone thinks low mp is good.

    If I have streamed only 1 run ppl would start doing mp9-10 when they see the number of legends-sets dropping in a such a small time. Not to mention you get a lot of yellows dropping.

    You don't. And i got no idea what makes you think you do. What you are saying are straight out bullshit. But feel free to log 10 runs on mp8 and 10 runs on mp1. And then we will see the difference. You are completely wrong in your claims that mp8 for a monk is as efficient as the low mp. I guarantee you that doing mp0 is over 20 million xp per hour better than mp8.

    You talk about xp and its enogh that you don't know any stuff about high mp farming. I just play few hours and I get more loot than low MP farmers, You can never do MP10 efficiently so you don't have a single clue about it. What you can do is to make assumptions on other ppl games.
  • #14
    If you can do 8 - 10 fast enough, its more beneficial to do higher MPs... Exp is insane, loot is insane, and otherwise you're spamming damage on guys that die instantly.... Like hasansabbat said, people only do low mp because its easy.... Thay doesn't neccesarily make it more efficient.... If i could do mp 8 9 or 10 as fast as mp4 then i'd do it.... For the benefits it provides.... Look at the chart... Look at the numbers.... You get more exp from higher mps....

    I can see a difference going to MP5 from MP0 in a single run alone... Takes me a little longer, sure, but thats because i have room for improvement... Furthermore, the time it takes isnt substantially more... People dont like being challenged...i also find more legs and sets in 5 and 6... If you do enough damage, and clear fast enough, it becomes efficient...
    WD - mostly other chars are toilet... my pride and joy ;D http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/SirBoneselot-1182/hero/1672627
  • #15
    He is correct, nobody can do mp8 fast enough to be efficient. For exp it stands for even mp2, most efficient is 0, you can't beat rushing wd with locust swarm od acid rain one shotting everything, including elites. And if you increase mp just by 1 you already getting less exp. Setting it as high as 8 makes it complete waste of time in terms of exp.
    As for drops difference is less significant, but imo mp0 still wins.. And I'm telling it after 100k elites killed, level 100 wd, and level 94 barb. I tested it a lot, with very good gear. It is blizzards fault of poor balance.

    Nothing is stopping us for playing mp10 for fun though, and this is what it is about.
  • #16
    This isnt a thread about efficiency though... Its about helping people to gear and build for MP8+ farming....
    WD - mostly other chars are toilet... my pride and joy ;D http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/SirBoneselot-1182/hero/1672627
  • #17
    Quote from Hasansabbat

    Quote from Huminator

    Quote from Hasansabbat

    Quote from Huminator

    Quote from Hasansabbat

    Quote from Ashy_Larry


    To be able to do MP8 efficiently

    You cannot do MP8 efficiently.. You can do mp8 yes, but not efficiently.


    m8 I'm doing MP10 with a monk at a speed where most of u do MP4. Just watch the second part of the video it is wih my old gear now I got 30k more dps. You can imagine the speed increase.

    High MP is more rewarding if you do it in a quick way. The reason ppl do low mp is;

    1- They dont have proper gear for high MP
    2- Streamers run low MP's and everyone thinks low mp is good.

    If I have streamed only 1 run ppl would start doing mp9-10 when they see the number of legends-sets dropping in a such a small time. Not to mention you get a lot of yellows dropping.

    You don't. And i got no idea what makes you think you do. What you are saying are straight out bullshit. But feel free to log 10 runs on mp8 and 10 runs on mp1. And then we will see the difference. You are completely wrong in your claims that mp8 for a monk is as efficient as the low mp. I guarantee you that doing mp0 is over 20 million xp per hour better than mp8.

    You talk about xp and its enogh that you don't know any stuff about high mp farming. I just play few hours and I get more loot than low MP farmers, You can never do MP10 efficiently so you don't have a single clue about it. What you can do is to make assumptions on other ppl games.

    Again you are wrong. XP and loot walks hand in hand.

    The more XP you get.
    The more mobs you kill.
    The more loot you get.
    The more good loot you.

    And no the few hundred extra MF you get for doing mp8 over 0 is far from enough to compensate for the less mobs killed per hour spend. And NO, just NO bonus item have close to no meaning in this. Bonus item can be all from a grey item to a healing potion.
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  • #18
    Well Huminator, there are bunch of threads on MP efficiency so I would suggest you make your comments there. Got so much work to do so can't spare time to play. But I am going to cap and edit "MP10 Speed Runs" So that it is gonna clear the question marks on ppls minds.

    Back to topic, recently I have been playing with C4 docs, and I am switching JF with PtV and I'm getting rain dance . Still got almost unlimited mana. And the dmg output is around 3-3.5m per bear (buffed). Since the dmg is insane compared to my EHP I tend to die on some reflect packs but since it is party its not so big problem. So I would suggest it if you guys coop with a C4Doc.
  • #19
    Just saying your wrong. There is no scenario for a witch doctor where its more efficient to do mp8 over low mp. Its an illusion.
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  • #20
    Guys, could you stop derailing the thread with efficiency. This is about a WD build that lets you survive on higher MPs while doing ok.
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