I've been rolling with a TF/WKL combo for quite some time and Odyn Son dropped just now. Reading around the threads here, I noticed OS's proc is one of the few to benefit from % lightning damage, and I'm wondering which weapon would be best for me. My concern is OS rolled with no socket and no dexterity, so I'd have to do without dexterity. Does the proc and higher base damage outweigh the lack of dexterity? If I switch to OS, should I reroll the vitality or the area damage?
Considering all of your 3 weapons are well rolled (dexterity and socket), I'd go with Fulminator and Odyn Son.
Won Khim Lau does not bring much to the table besides a bonus to lightning damage, which OS also has. Fulm. and OS both have procs, although if I'm not mistaken only OS's will benefit from % lightning damage, which are better than your WLK's LoH. And both your Fulm. and OS have higher base damage than your WKL, so more damage overall.
In your situation, I wouldn't even hesitate and go with Fulm. + OS.
Thanks for the answer WhoAmISc. I got all excited when it dropped, but I was thinking the lack of dexterity on it made it rather bad...
Interesting point regarding the proc on Fulminator. Now that I thing about it, 2x 20% bonus lighting damage does seem more interesting than the proc on Fulm.
I'm currently playing holy oriented build with OS in offhand because the damage from the proc is pretty sick. At least one theorycrafter tasting OS says it doesn't scale with lightning, and I'm inclined to believe, since mine crits for 12M with no other +lightning dmg than the weapons own 15% (yah, min roll). OS proc is especially strong for single target dmg because the chain hits the boss for all 3 jumps if there are no other mobs around, and usually the single target damage is the thing that we lack the most. OP, try using OS for one rift instead of WKL without even rolling anything on it, and see if there is noticeable difference anywhere. My bet is on OS feeling better even without chd gem (which you'll definately want to get there).
Fulminator on the other hand has the crappiest of procs of all proc weapons. The damage difference is pretty big compared to that WKL, so can't say 100% which is better, but personally I'd go with WKL until you'll find a good Shard of Hate to go with that OS.
In terms of end-game, the best way to scale your damage is to take advantage of Weapon Damage % effects that scale with Elemental Damage %. The 2 primary ways of doing this in the game right now are either A) Pets or B ) Item Procs.
Essentially, it's pretty easy to get multipliers from several different parts of your gear (Ammy, Rings, Gloves, etc.), but it's actually pretty tough to increase the base damage you deal in the first place (Ability Damage, Pets, Item Procs) that will get multiplied out by all those other stats.
I used to be really attached to my WKL because it rolled so well and I couldn't imagine how it could not be an amazing weapon, but after playing a ton and testing out the other weapons, I can safely say that WKL is honestly not that great compared to other weapons that have proc effects.
In my experience:
Shard of Hate > Odyn Son > Won Khim Lau
Of course, this is all dependent on the rolls, but to be completely honest with you even my trash-tier Odyn Son (regret salvaging my Odyn Son's before they patched the proc) still outperforms my high-tier WKL by quite a bit.
I'd really like to test out the Skysplitter proc to see how it performs (suck that mine only rolled the lowest 10% proc chance possible) and if I ever get a Thunderfury, I'd like to see how it compares as well.
@Brown: All in all, I'd definitely recommend using your Odyn Son (reroll Vit into Socket) over any WKL.
@SiNz: Your Fulminator roll is pretty beastly, but honestly my personal experiences with the item itself are pretty poor. The proc does not affect the main target at all so it does absolutely nothing for your primary target or in any single target situation. Despite that, I'd still probably use your Fulminator and pair it up with your Odyn Son.
TL;DR Won Khim Lau looks awesome, but honestly it doesn't compare to the other end-game weapons because Weapon Procs that scale are OP.
I've played around with Odyn Son all week-end, and I gotta say, it is (seems?) a far superior weapon to Won Khim Lau. The proc is simply too good to pass, in my opinion, even with an average roll (refer to the original post for the stats I'm comparing).
With my current gear, the proc hits for 4 to 8 million. On 3 targets, or 3 times on the same. It's almost ridiculous. It's essentially like having a new skill, free of spirit cost. Everything hits a tad harder with my WKL, but the bonus damage on CS, etc., simply can't make up for 3x extra 8 million hits.
Paper DPS went down nearly 100k, but I "feel" it went up 100k.
advice dont use odyn son at all if you got wkl since the odyn son attack speed is horrible and it nearly never procs just aint worth it...
Lets not troll here please i have OS got lucky 37% proc chance and 17% Lightning the thing proc's every 3rd 4th hit i have 61% IAS besides the WKL 20% and my other 100% electric ads to the proc it does damage and is def worth equiping.
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lowl1fe - I don't have either TF or SoH, but I have done quite extensive reading on monk weapons - just to make sure you know to take this with a grain of salt. I would go with OS in main hand and SoH off hand. The two of them have the strongest procs even with fix the SoH got (SoH one even scales with lightning and - presumably - elite damage). OS in main hand because some of the skills take the damage from main hand weapon. The damage taken is the weapons damage range, not the DPS written in BIG, and OS has higher damage. Most of the skills alternate between weapons, so it's really not a very big deal either way.
So I ended finding this Thunderfury and I'm not sure whether to roll the resource cost reduction for the +10% damage or roll the base damage. What do you guys think? I would also be replacing the Mad Monarch Scepter linked below (Other weapon I'm using is an Odyn's Son).
Reroll the base damage. That thing rolled just about as low damage as it could possibly go. Rolling to 10% damage won't do anything for you because it's lightning damage, not black damage.
Reroll the base damage. That thing rolled just about as low damage as it could possibly go. Rolling to 10% damage won't do anything for you because it's lightning damage, not black damage.
+% Damage not affecting Elemental Damage is a bug which is scheduled to be fixed in the next patch though. It's true that the base damage on it is about as low as it gets. I'm in no position to say though if you'll get more damage out of rerolling the base damage or rerolling RRC into +% Damage. I suck at theorymath.
Im currently running a dashing strike monk with the 6 piece thousand storms set i am using Jawbreaker obviously and im having trouble determining what to use for my 2nd weapon. I figure that either odyn son or WKL would be the best for the 2nd weapon here are the ones i have please let me know the way to go, and also does it matter which weapon is in what hand
I'd go with Odyn Son. Unless the procs have changed recently (I've been away from the game for a month or so), the OS proc is still one of the strongest in game. The weapon has also higher base damage than TF, so skills hit harder using OS. Unless having a fast weapon is of paramount importance, OS is pretty close to best all around weapon in game.
(WLK is rerolled, OS is not)
Won Khim Lau does not bring much to the table besides a bonus to lightning damage, which OS also has. Fulm. and OS both have procs, although if I'm not mistaken only OS's will benefit from % lightning damage, which are better than your WLK's LoH. And both your Fulm. and OS have higher base damage than your WKL, so more damage overall.
In your situation, I wouldn't even hesitate and go with Fulm. + OS.
Interesting point regarding the proc on Fulminator. Now that I thing about it, 2x 20% bonus lighting damage does seem more interesting than the proc on Fulm.
Fulminator on the other hand has the crappiest of procs of all proc weapons. The damage difference is pretty big compared to that WKL, so can't say 100% which is better, but personally I'd go with WKL until you'll find a good Shard of Hate to go with that OS.
I've played a LOT of Monk and have tried out just about every weapon (haven't found Thunderfury on my Monk yet though, have 1 on my WD).
For some context I have the following items in my stash for my Monk:
1) Shard of Hate: ~2300 DPS, 7% Attack Speed, ~233% Weapon Damage Proc, Dex
2) Won Khim Lau:~2200 DPS, 25% Lightning Damage, 7% Attack Speed, Dex
3) Odyn Son:~2050 DPS, 17% Lightning Damage, 26% Proc Chance, 7% Attack Speed, No Dex
4) Skysplitter: ~2250 DPS, 10% Proc Chance, 7% Attack Speed, Dex
Here's my thoughts:
In terms of end-game, the best way to scale your damage is to take advantage of Weapon Damage % effects that scale with Elemental Damage %. The 2 primary ways of doing this in the game right now are either A) Pets or B ) Item Procs.
Essentially, it's pretty easy to get multipliers from several different parts of your gear (Ammy, Rings, Gloves, etc.), but it's actually pretty tough to increase the base damage you deal in the first place (Ability Damage, Pets, Item Procs) that will get multiplied out by all those other stats.
I used to be really attached to my WKL because it rolled so well and I couldn't imagine how it could not be an amazing weapon, but after playing a ton and testing out the other weapons, I can safely say that WKL is honestly not that great compared to other weapons that have proc effects.
In my experience:
Shard of Hate > Odyn Son > Won Khim Lau
Of course, this is all dependent on the rolls, but to be completely honest with you even my trash-tier Odyn Son (regret salvaging my Odyn Son's before they patched the proc) still outperforms my high-tier WKL by quite a bit.
I'd really like to test out the Skysplitter proc to see how it performs (suck that mine only rolled the lowest 10% proc chance possible) and if I ever get a Thunderfury, I'd like to see how it compares as well.
@Brown: All in all, I'd definitely recommend using your Odyn Son (reroll Vit into Socket) over any WKL.
@SiNz: Your Fulminator roll is pretty beastly, but honestly my personal experiences with the item itself are pretty poor. The proc does not affect the main target at all so it does absolutely nothing for your primary target or in any single target situation. Despite that, I'd still probably use your Fulminator and pair it up with your Odyn Son.
TL;DR Won Khim Lau looks awesome, but honestly it doesn't compare to the other end-game weapons because Weapon Procs that scale are OP.
With my current gear, the proc hits for 4 to 8 million. On 3 targets, or 3 times on the same. It's almost ridiculous. It's essentially like having a new skill, free of spirit cost. Everything hits a tad harder with my WKL, but the bonus damage on CS, etc., simply can't make up for 3x extra 8 million hits.
Paper DPS went down nearly 100k, but I "feel" it went up 100k.
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