P.S: However, I lost almost 100k dps with changes, so this is only for fun and style.
updated: got a -5 chakram and new WF, love it! Now I farm with double chakram + poison traps in mp7 with ease, even faster than my manticore (1210 with 2 sockets).
Damn thats a nice WF you got there... Still cant beat the stupid manticore -.-
That is near top roll WF he has, and it can't even beat a medicore to shitty manticore, and that is the hell of it right there. How people can say Crit Dmg is fine with a straight face is beyond me...
Damn thats a nice WF you got there... Still cant beat the stupid manticore -.-
That is near top roll WF he has, and it can't even beat a medicore to shitty manticore, and that is the hell of it right there. How people can say Crit Dmg is fine with a straight face is beyond me...
I love WF too, by far my favorite wpn in D2.
How the hell can you criticize crit damage when you're comparing a weapon that can roll four damage affixes versus one?
Anyway, Windforce is awesome, used it for a long, long time. The problem simply is, that Manticore is so disgustingly overpowered that no other options exist if you want to remain competitive.
I am saying CD is OP, and piegeonholes all DHs into manticore. Skorn is in a similar position, echoing fury, etc...
Thats why WF cant compete, which was my point. I even mentioned it could only roll 1/4 earlier...
However, I will say the manticore isn't OP. If it was OP, compared to comparable wpns for other classes, then DHs wouldn't be the absolute worst at clearing High MPs. Its just the other options suck.
It doesn't matter whether crit damage is overpowered or not; the weapon is too powerful even if you replace the crit damage with dexterity, it has nothing to do with this. Lack of efficiency in high MP is an issue to do with the core mechanics of the class.
You can keep telling yourself Manticore isn't overpowered if you like, but the moment you start comparing any other weapon to it, you'll realize. Skorn isn't much different but at least it doesn't eliminate all alternative choices from the picture. For a DH, it's safe to say that if you're not using a Manticore, you're at a severe disadvantage. I gain over 100k damage by switching between Windforce and Manticore, whereas switching to one of the best rare bows available is only a ~35k gain compared to Windforce.
Its only OP in the sense that the other options are shit dude. Compared to a 2h mace its not that much better, if at all. How many WDs do you see rocking manticores since its so OP?!?
CD is the reason Manticore is so far ahead dude... Its just simple math.
Sure the other 2 affixes its missing hurts too, but the CD is the real issue. Thats why calamity is still an option and WF is lolz.
Calamity + Socket + CD in top gear is basically best in slot.
OP here, I agree manticore is the best choice (calamity too if your gear can support it), I dont think my windforce can justify the 100k dps lose, however, I would believe WF can match 50k dps lose based on my experience, with steady aim of course.
you need double WF (follower+Forst jordan) and fast attack speed gear, your average effective damage is not very bad lol!
but for most people, Manticore is absolute bang for the buck.
update, got a new windforce, I think i am addicted
All the other options are indeed dogshit, I'm glad we at least agree on that. Calamity isn't quite as far behind, but it is behind.
Can't be bothered arguing further about this, go spreadsheet it.
Good because you aren't winning,
Top manticore dps = Top calamity dps
The extra speed offsets the loss of the extra gem slot if you have the best gear imaginable.
Some other people like to use it for the fast attacks = more disc as well.
CD is whats lacking from WF, it only rolls 1/4 affixes. If it could just get that one more affix then the knockback would easily allow it to be comparable.
I'd love to use one. My WF is a cheap one, 1100 DPS + socket, and I lose about 35 ~ 40kdps with her. But she is so beautiful... So fast... That should be the native DH weapon.
I love WF, I used one for quite some time as well. Sadly I had to switch it out for a manticore as it could not keep up any longer. My friend has a 1324 dps + socket just sitting on his merc, and even it is a huge loss to my mediocre 1300 dps 75 crit 1 os manticore.
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with bracer's 5% and nats helm's 5%, I had a blast play with double chakram XD, very fun and have a D2 amazon feel.
any fellow windforce user? lets discuss!
http://us.battle.net...6/hero/16737396
sorry for my broken english!
P.S: However, I lost almost 100k dps with changes, so this is only for fun and style.
updated: got a -5 chakram and new WF, love it! Now I farm with double chakram + poison traps in mp7 with ease, even faster than my manticore (1210 with 2 sockets).
A good manticore rolls CD, +1 socket, +1 Socket, and Dex. A WF can only roll one out of four.
It makes me a sad panda.
That is near top roll WF he has, and it can't even beat a medicore to shitty manticore, and that is the hell of it right there. How people can say Crit Dmg is fine with a straight face is beyond me...
I love WF too, by far my favorite wpn in D2.
I am saying CD is OP, and piegeonholes all DHs into manticore. Skorn is in a similar position, echoing fury, etc...
Thats why WF cant compete, which was my point. I even mentioned it could only roll 1/4 earlier...
However, I will say the manticore isn't OP. If it was OP, compared to comparable wpns for other classes, then DHs wouldn't be the absolute worst at clearing High MPs. Its just the other options suck.
Its only OP in the sense that the other options are shit dude. Compared to a 2h mace its not that much better, if at all. How many WDs do you see rocking manticores since its so OP?!?
CD is the reason Manticore is so far ahead dude... Its just simple math.
Sure the other 2 affixes its missing hurts too, but the CD is the real issue. Thats why calamity is still an option and WF is lolz.
Calamity + Socket + CD in top gear is basically best in slot.
you need double WF (follower+Forst jordan) and fast attack speed gear, your average effective damage is not very bad lol!
but for most people, Manticore is absolute bang for the buck.
update, got a new windforce, I think i am addicted
Good because you aren't winning,
Top manticore dps = Top calamity dps
The extra speed offsets the loss of the extra gem slot if you have the best gear imaginable.
Some other people like to use it for the fast attacks = more disc as well.
CD is whats lacking from WF, it only rolls 1/4 affixes. If it could just get that one more affix then the knockback would easily allow it to be comparable.
I'd love to use one. My WF is a cheap one, 1100 DPS + socket, and I lose about 35 ~ 40kdps with her. But she is so beautiful... So fast... That should be the native DH weapon.
(^^ although the knockback effect is really crap)
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