[...]Just a rumor: There was some theocrafting prior to the lightning nerf for trials. Someone insisted that rockets are more efficient at certain mobs than the overpowered lightning. Is it possible that some mobs have some kind of armor where you get diminishing returns with smaller attacks?
Probably they were referring to the dependance of ball lightning on monster size. I did try to add Cluster with rockets to it for trials (in 2.1), but other setups were a little bit ahead.
Can you recalculate with switching Preparation to Mark of Death (Mortal Enemy)? If im right understand, u get back 8 hatred when impact and rocket hit marked target. Than with Pride's Fall helm CA cost 9.7!
And one more. From your math, you total gen (and spend) 14360 hatred. 8% RCR on quiver about same as 14360 * 0.08 / 900 ~ 1.276 hatred per second. Instead of RCR you can roll 1.5 hatred per second.
I'll have to change quite some things in order to do that. However, the hatred gain from ME is altered by the proc coefficients of your spell, so you won't just get 8 hatred per shot, more like 2-3.
if i read the area dmg section right, for example for 2 targets with cold you would do 515.7 damage before area dmg which would be 51.1 (this is 9.91% of total before area dmg), i feel you might be heavily overestimating the worth of area dmg at least while playing solo.
The theoretical maximum for 2 targets with 70% area dmg is 14% of your dmg before calculating area dmg
just an example: 4 monsters tightly packed with 70% area dmg gives a 42% dmg upgrade BUT if they are paired 2 and 2 (monsters in a pair within 10 yards but monsters in different pairs more than 10 yards from the other pair) instead of all 4 clumped this bonus dmg given by area dmg drops down to 14%
from your calculations i get these percentages of theoretical maximum, which requires 100% uptime on all n monsters being within 10 yards of each other (this is really really tightly packed)
i find these numbers to be unrealistic, also (correct me if i am outdated on this) area dmg does NOT work for pets at all, did not use to at least.
other than that i am delighted, ty!
I feel that I overvalued it a bit for few targets and undervalued it a bit for many, with the result of AD being slightly undervalued in general. Will look into that when I get a better feel for it.
The Build just got updated to work as a quick stand-alone guide (reused a lot of the material from my original post and added some insights from the discussion)
I feel I have more damage as cold but it might be just my bad physical gear.
Keep in mind all of these calculations assume equal rolls on bracers / amulet / soj. Also, if you are not using a soj, the benefit of Etrayu will be more noticeable.
@TheOni84: Tunafish is right. Remember there's also a dedicated gear / item question thread
I'll have to change quite some things in order to do that. However, the hatred gain from ME is altered by the proc coefficients of your spell, so you won't just get 8 hatred per shot, more like 2-3.
after some tests, look like im found optimal generator
ME + Krider + EA (Immolation). proc coeff IA 50% and its make 5 hits (base + 4 ticks), so total 14 hatred (4 from Krider). plus IA top dps single target rune.
CA/SS have only 20% proc coeff, so 1-1.5 hatred back from CA.
I'll have to change quite some things in order to do that. However, the hatred gain from ME is altered by the proc coefficients of your spell, so you won't just get 8 hatred per shot, more like 2-3.
after some tests, look like im found optimal generator
ME + Krider + EA (Immolation). proc coeff IA 50% and its make 5 hits (base + 4 ticks), so total 14 hatred (4 from Krider). plus IA top dps single target rune.
CA/SS have only 20% proc coeff, so 1-1.5 hatred back from CA.
I think something along those lines could work pretty well, I will try this sometime in the future. It will take some weeks though, as I will probably be playing season this time around.
Clan mates were talking about lighting build and said you got kicked off leaderboards for botting, I looked, couldn't find you, so assumed it was true. Then it hit me that you were never on US leader boards lol. They were honestly mistaken too.
Last night I managed to clear 52 again live on stream. Sound got muted, I will add a proper Youtube link after the race for conquests is over. If you still want to see it, here you are:
So you said that CDR in head isnt a good option, what would you recommend in the headslot (gemwise) i am a little confused here. It is possible that i misread something cause its still early here.
Alright, here is the YT version of my second tier 52 run, including sound: Tier 52 - Era 2
A little offtopic, but I have also uploaded videos of my hardcore conquests there (2xrank 2, 2xrank 3, all solo), check them out if you're curious! Unfortunately I couldn't stream them because I kept lagging during the weekend. So far it's looking quite good on the hc ladder though =)
So you said that CDR in head isnt a good option, what would you recommend in the headslot (gemwise) i am a little confused here. It is possible that i misread something cause its still early here.
What FsBelphegor said: Diamond is still best dps-wise, but it's not a huge loss if you don't use it.
About Pain Enhancer: It's nowhere close, we DHs are no Barbs If you drop Taeguk too often, use BotP
Just quickly wanted to share with you my latest video. Last night I managed to beat tier 45 on my hardcore DH, which currently is the only clear on that level. I thought that is quite notable because it is only 3 tiers lower than the highest clear of season 1 and it's only 1 week after the release of the season. On a personal note, I have also surpassed my previous record with this run, because last season my highest clear was only tier 45 as well, as I went straight for 48-50 after that and so closely missed it. Enjoy.
@hehomar: Your Calamity is really good, it's worth to try it out. Note that for fast GRs the damage boost is not as important though. With 3 dps in your party, it will probably be better than the Xbow.
I just found that Buriza, it's awesome! But for Cold, I have a 3043 dps/15% cold Etrayu that I haven't touched yet - so I can roll 10% damage on it then gift it.
15% cold is pretty sad, I guess Xbow will be better in most cases. The calculations were done assuming 20% cold and ~equal damage rolls (which I think you have), and then Etrayu turned out about as good as the physical builds. For cold, just try both and you'll see.
To keep this thread a go-to destination for everyone interested in the physical cluster build, I'll just keep posting here. I'll also edit all the videos into the OP to make them more easily accessible, and plan to add a FAQ there as well.
My latest upload is a Kridershot + Taeguk demo, inspired by this thread on the official forums, where it was suggested to make Krider EA work with Taeguk because apparently it's difficult to keep it up for some, but it can be done if you do it right.
@veletz: Usually I recommend to just use the weapon with the best rolls, because they are so close math-wise. Gearing priorities don't change for sc or hc, other than that you might want to stack a little more toughness (which I won't do for solo regardless). While we're at it, I'm currently preparing for my tier 50 solo run on hc, and then I got this: QQ
Edit: Can't edit the OP right now... changes are saved and I'm waiting for a fix.
It looks like it is an issue with ’ as this falls out of the allowed unicode range. We are working to allow all the other forms of punctuation now. Until that gets deployed I replaced all ’ with ' and you are now good to edit!
First of all, thanks for all the work you've done However I'm a bit confused reading the spreadsheet, I don't really get what where to find out about how good a Calamity, Kridershot etc. is. I don't even see them in the sheetts (?). Can you put up a link in google docs (read only) so we can copy it and play around with the stats to understand what all there numbers are coming from? Another topic - gems. I'm at the moment using my cold build, using BoT, BoP and Zei's, but when I play fast 35s in group or T6 in general I don't seem to get any use of the Zei's. You recommend using Enforcer but you never tell why, can't figure it out.
Thanks for everything though ^^
As is described in the FAQ by now, I usually recommend to use the best rolled weapon, with a tendency to go for Xbow if you do a lot of speed runs or have people spawning globes for you (unless you have zero dog, where 1h becomes better). Zei's is always useful and should never be replaced, in fact it is the one and only gem I have never unsocketed after patch 2.1.2. If anything, you should replace BotT for speed runs, Enforcer is bad for speed runs and might be useful in high GRs with a lot of damage buffs or in trials.
As much as I'd like to, I can't put up the spreadsheet for now because it will be probably be abused by my (and my clan's) competition. You can still find a lot of the information in the posts or discussions, especially regarding gearing priorities.
Hope im not ressing the post. But I have a quick question, I found a Andariel Visage with 18%cold dmg and 13%CA (+dex+CC). Should I change for Marauder's hat and Hex pants anyway? Thanks in advance. (If you can please check my battletag for some advice ^^)
Ok, I have 2 pairs of marauders gloves that I cant decide on so hopefully you can help out! I haven't gotten one that I could have reduced cost yet but I do have ones with ATK spd 6% and others with 20% area dmg, both have high crit dmg and max crit chance. Which one do you think is better to use?
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I'll have to change quite some things in order to do that. However, the hatred gain from ME is altered by the proc coefficients of your spell, so you won't just get 8 hatred per shot, more like 2-3.
I feel that I overvalued it a bit for few targets and undervalued it a bit for many, with the result of AD being slightly undervalued in general. Will look into that when I get a better feel for it.
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On helm: Reroll socket to cluster arrow damage or something else? put a Diamond gem only?
Shoulder: Reroll Life% to Sentry damage or vit?
I also have a normal Shoulder with DEX, VIT, RESS ALL and DEF, should I use this one instead?
Thanks
@TheOni84: Tunafish is right. Remember there's also a dedicated gear / item question thread
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ME + Krider + EA (Immolation). proc coeff IA 50% and its make 5 hits (base + 4 ticks), so total 14 hatred (4 from Krider). plus IA top dps single target rune.
CA/SS have only 20% proc coeff, so 1-1.5 hatred back from CA.
You're a wizard Harry.....
I think something along those lines could work pretty well, I will try this sometime in the future. It will take some weeks though, as I will probably be playing season this time around.
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Clan mates were talking about lighting build and said you got kicked off leaderboards for botting, I looked, couldn't find you, so assumed it was true. Then it hit me that you were never on US leader boards lol. They were honestly mistaken too.
You're a wizard Harry.....
Tier 52 solo - Era 2
Last night I managed to clear 52 again live on stream. Sound got muted, I will add a proper Youtube link after the race for conquests is over. If you still want to see it, here you are:
http://www.twitch.tv/wudijo/c/6109142
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Good day,
So you said that CDR in head isnt a good option, what would you recommend in the headslot (gemwise) i am a little confused here. It is possible that i misread something cause its still early here.
thank you in advance!
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Alright, here is the YT version of my second tier 52 run, including sound: Tier 52 - Era 2
A little offtopic, but I have also uploaded videos of my hardcore conquests there (2xrank 2, 2xrank 3, all solo), check them out if you're curious! Unfortunately I couldn't stream them because I kept lagging during the weekend. So far it's looking quite good on the hc ladder though =)
What FsBelphegor said: Diamond is still best dps-wise, but it's not a huge loss if you don't use it.
About Pain Enhancer: It's nowhere close, we DHs are no Barbs
If you drop Taeguk too often, use BotP
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Just quickly wanted to share with you my latest video. Last night I managed to beat tier 45 on my hardcore DH, which currently is the only clear on that level. I thought that is quite notable because it is only 3 tiers lower than the highest clear of season 1 and it's only 1 week after the release of the season. On a personal note, I have also surpassed my previous record with this run, because last season my highest clear was only tier 45 as well, as I went straight for 48-50 after that and so closely missed it. Enjoy.
Video - Hardcore Tier 45 solo (S2)
@hehomar: Your Calamity is really good, it's worth to try it out. Note that for fast GRs the damage boost is not as important though. With 3 dps in your party, it will probably be better than the Xbow.
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Wud, quick question.
My profile: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Demo-1212/hero/57438123
I just found that Buriza, it's awesome! But for Cold, I have a 3043 dps/15% cold Etrayu that I haven't touched yet - so I can roll 10% damage on it then gift it.
With that setup, is Etrayu > this xbow for cold?
15% cold is pretty sad, I guess Xbow will be better in most cases. The calculations were done assuming 20% cold and ~equal damage rolls (which I think you have), and then Etrayu turned out about as good as the physical builds. For cold, just try both and you'll see.
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To keep this thread a go-to destination for everyone interested in the physical cluster build, I'll just keep posting here. I'll also edit all the videos into the OP to make them more easily accessible, and plan to add a FAQ there as well.
My latest upload is a Kridershot + Taeguk demo, inspired by this thread on the official forums, where it was suggested to make Krider EA work with Taeguk because apparently it's difficult to keep it up for some, but it can be done if you do it right.
@veletz: Usually I recommend to just use the weapon with the best rolls, because they are so close math-wise. Gearing priorities don't change for sc or hc, other than that you might want to stack a little more toughness (which I won't do for solo regardless). While we're at it, I'm currently preparing for my tier 50 solo run on hc, and then I got this: QQ
Edit: Can't edit the OP right now... changes are saved and I'm waiting for a fix.
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AdministratorIt looks like it is an issue with ’ as this falls out of the allowed unicode range. We are working to allow all the other forms of punctuation now. Until that gets deployed I replaced all ’ with ' and you are now good to edit!
As is described in the FAQ by now, I usually recommend to use the best rolled weapon, with a tendency to go for Xbow if you do a lot of speed runs or have people spawning globes for you (unless you have zero dog, where 1h becomes better). Zei's is always useful and should never be replaced, in fact it is the one and only gem I have never unsocketed after patch 2.1.2. If anything, you should replace BotT for speed runs, Enforcer is bad for speed runs and might be useful in high GRs with a lot of damage buffs or in trials.
As much as I'd like to, I can't put up the spreadsheet for now because it will be probably be abused by my (and my clan's) competition. You can still find a lot of the information in the posts or discussions, especially regarding gearing priorities.
(Can't quote you properly because of that error^^) Thanks Molster! I updated the first post now.
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Hope im not ressing the post. But I have a quick question, I found a Andariel Visage with 18%cold dmg and 13%CA (+dex+CC). Should I change for Marauder's hat and Hex pants anyway? Thanks in advance. (If you can please check my battletag for some advice ^^)
Thanks for the quick reply! I'll work on an amulet and craft an arcane barb right away!
I didnt have the chance to try physical cluster yet due to crappy drops, but I will definitely try it when I can!
Ok, I have 2 pairs of marauders gloves that I cant decide on so hopefully you can help out! I haven't gotten one that I could have reduced cost yet but I do have ones with ATK spd 6% and others with 20% area dmg, both have high crit dmg and max crit chance. Which one do you think is better to use?