So ive been play seasons for hundreds and hundreds of hours now, spent many nights not even sleeping. im over pargon 470 and my gear is almost all BiS. however, my damage doesnt even compete with all other classes that have even okay or started gear. im critting for about 50-70 mil which i find is a joke with BiS. other classes are hitting 4-8 times harder with my kind of gear. so i think its funny, new patch, some old 1 build per class mentality. i mean,you definitely cant compete with the damage im doing even with the best gear. i personally dont like raekor so i feel like im being forced to play at it, because at this point in the season if i remade my chracter and tried to regear, it would take me hundreds and hundreds of hours to get the same gear i have on my barb and i would have very little chance of making it high on the leaderboards when everyone else has hundreds of hours of an advantage.
i know what everyone is thinking " well then why are all the classes high on the leaderboards", 1 answer, classes like barbs have to skip 40% of the elite packs they fight, and any idiot could kill a bunch of zombies and skelotons, get an easy rift boss boom boom bang. also raekor is good for clearing trash even though they have to skip a lot of elites. and also if you look on the leaderboard yeah they're are maybe 100 barbs or so 35+ and there is over 1000 demon hunters over 35+. and thats just an example of one class, you cant just look and say hey look everyone is high on the leaderboard therefor theres balance in the game. do you really wanna know what raekor barbs do in groups? they die, over and over or they just sit there while everyone kills fiery chains and eletrify.
here is my gear, and please dont say "your not using a 2 hander" because
You also don't happen to have some footage of your gameplay so that we can pick your brain a little, do you? I'm interested in hearing the thoughts of people with your kind of experience (less conventional build, tons of hours played, near BiS rolls, etc).
i have a hellfire amulet with those stats, and it doesnt seem to be much better. i do have a furnace as well, and its still bad damage. it ups it slightly. not even close to being viable. two 1 handers seem to be better then furnace imo, or close to it with more cooldown. sure it ups the damage slightly, but i lose lots of vit and i lose cooldown, and my sunkeeper already has 27% elite and burning axe with 20% fire so it doesnt up it that much. you might think a 2 hander would be better right? not really...im telling you, theres no hope for this build in any way shape or form. i would absolutely love it if you could prove me wrong but its not going to happen. sure you can equip harringtons with wrath of berserker, but thats not going to happen often.
sort of like theres no hope for lots of builds and classes, which doctor pet build for example.
i think this game majorly lacks build diversity,
let me explain what you can do as barb right now and make it in high greater rifts, fire raekor, lightning raekor with shard and odyn son....thats it.,
even ancient spear boulder toss is garbage, close to the best gear and critting for 165 million while jade doc's crit for 600 mill in the same ammount of time...and the sad part, jade doctors arent that good either!
It would be better imo if we actually focused on the core argument: that Leapquake itself, even with near BiS rolls,is still easily outperformed by mediocre end-game sets?
I'm a bit biased on this particular matter, so I'm not gonna argue too much, but I do think these minor item changes would barely change his dps/performance - like a 5-10% change? So, even with those considered, is it safe to say a Leapquake Barb is outperformed by what he mentioned? I think that should be the focus.
I mean, we can discuss what is and isn't BiS for the rest of the day.
i already uninstalled diablo because i was so annoyed with the game and so i can play destiny, i have and have tried every belt if you really wanna defend barbs being "good" with leapquake then your fooling yourself or you just have no clue what your talking about. ill tell you this though, once you have the best gear, and your trying to go past greater rift 30 even, maybe slightly higher if your gear is godly, and everyone else is at greater rift 38-40. dont say i didnt warn you.
my friend just started a wizard, got his firebird set in 4 day and is doing MORE damage then me. not complaining here but i think it seems kind of unfair seeing as to how i put hundreds of hours and sleepless nights into this and someone else whos a casual does more damage. wheres the logic there?
First off the only way strangarm will work with leapquake is with seismic slam which will get you KILLED...which right off the bat tells me you dont know what your talking about.secondly if you didnt read, im not using the smite gem, i was testing the smite gem, see as its level 1? thirdly i HAVE a furnace and its about the SAME. i lose cooldown from my weopon, 10% which means i have to add paragon points in cooldown, which takes away crit damage. i also lose vit, which means i have to roll vit in my paragon, also lose damage "strength" look at it however you want, unless you have the proof to say otherwise leapquake is simpy not good. and yes i have a almost perfectly rolled maximus as well, also comparable to the two 1 handers in my opinion worse.
and i doubt you can go g rift 34 with ik set,. ill tell you this though, you wont be competing with raekor. not by a longshot.
and if you keep your ik set, sooner or later your ancients are going to get 1 shotted and your gonna lose all that damage reduction. this also tells me that you havent done any high greater rifts.
ALSOOO, im hitting for 70 million, with almost all bis or close to it, "with hexing pants and berserker rage" 50% more damage. other classes are doing 3 - 6 times that ammount, you really think an extra 10% elite damage or 10% fire damage or whatever the case is going to QUADROUPLE my damage? youd have to be a complete barb fan boy to think this or just dont care about leaderboards or damage.
Ofcourse you can make Strongarm work without Seismic slam.. change your leap rune(Not saying this is viable just saying that Seismic isn't the only way to go about it.)
Which Gem are you using instead of the smite gem?
I'm fairly certain the ancients will be just fine in a ~ 34 grift aslong as you don't use the 50 % dmg reduction rune.. I'm using them for dmg & nothing else(Council rises) - as I said my barb gear is pretty shitty.
Besides what does the size of the hits have to do with anything? It's not like Earthquake is only hitting once. If biggest crit determined which class was the best.. I don't think we would be seeing an awful lot of demon hunters at the top of the leaderboards
You didn't answer though - what about the unity?
it hits every 2-3 seconds, witch doctors can dhit 600 mill every 6-8 seconds, you tell me whats better.
wizards can hit for 400 mil within 8 seconds as well, and in that ammount of time we might hit for 180 mil. can you do math?
btw i gave my account away to a friend, gear is changed.
I cleared a couple 42s in a 4 man group with a fire leap barbarian on season, and we had a pretty average rifts - not terrible act-5 mobs in a cave, but not hordes of zombies either. Raekor's is better yeah but the ceiling for Leapquake is not 30-34 it is higher than that. I did a 41 in a 2 man group using Raekor's so I have experience with both specs.
With Furnace and only defensive buffs from Crusader/Monk (so I didn't get one-shot gg) earthquake ticks were 100-120m, so you can get it to be higher than what you're experiencing. I do agree leapquake damage is not close to what other classes can get, but honestly not very many classes can contribute to a group doing 40+ with their 'second' spec. It's a problem with every class that there is one clearly superior set-based spec.
I have not played much solo though as I usually am playing with friends, so I can't speak to that.
If you're talking about your seasonal barb and saying you have bis gear, think again. Nowhere NEAR bis. Second, you don't dw with eq. That's your #1 problem. Fix those then we'll talk about the rest (yes dh is strong right now, we all know this).
If you're talking about your seasonal barb and saying you have bis gear, think again. Nowhere NEAR bis. Second, you don't dw with eq. That's your #1 problem. Fix those then we'll talk about the rest (yes dh is strong right now, we all know this).
I agree. Lots of incorrect assumptions in this thread. EQ massively benefits from a slow, 2H weapon. Definitely don't see what I could consider optimized gear, but do see a lot of dramatic exclamation.
Let's work in math, documentation, etc to work out the issues and be constructive Barb Team!
I cleared a couple 42s in a 4 man group with a fire leap barbarian on season, and we had a pretty average rifts - not terrible act-5 mobs in a cave, but not hordes of zombies either. Raekor's is better yeah but the ceiling for Leapquake is not 30-34 it is higher than that. I did a 41 in a 2 man group using Raekor's so I have experience with both specs.
With Furnace and only defensive buffs from Crusader/Monk (so I didn't get one-shot gg) earthquake ticks were 100-120m, so you can get it to be higher than what you're experiencing. I do agree leapquake damage is not close to what other classes can get, but honestly not very many classes can contribute to a group doing 40+ with their 'second' spec. It's a problem with every class that there is one clearly superior set-based spec.
I have not played much solo though as I usually am playing with friends, so I can't speak to that.
it might hit for 120 mil, with brawler, and other buffs, unbuffed it doesnt hit that hard, i have a furnace, a 20%% fire 15% earth damage cinder, a perfect hell fire ammy, near perfect soj, near perfect granduer ring, good hexing pants. so tell me again, what am i missing to not crit for that much? its total bs, just cause you dont have the best gear and your hitting for 50 mil doesnt mean earthquake hits for 120 mil unbuffed without passives like the one that does 20% more damage to mobs under 30%. its not that good, and if you think it is prove it, because i call bs. and if you do happen to take a screenshot make sure to include your passives :).i have the VERY close to the best gear, and i do have every piece nessasary, and im critting 70 mil. and youtr saying, you can almost double that? lmao with what huh? a magic wand that buffs skills?
btw if your using bane of the trapped with stun leapquake, thats a different problem, because in high greater rifts you will die constantly by not having the armor leap so you can go ahead and just forget that. also i gave my account away, im not going to equip all my gear just so people can believe me, i could care less. but leading people on telling them it crits that high when it doesnt unless your defense its balls is just not true, and even then i dont see it critting over 90 mil.
I play barb and can only max out at 28grift atm with Seismic slam build. I die because my dps is weak and I do terribly agree that other classes, the easymode DH have it very easy climbing up the grift levels.
So ive been play seasons for hundreds and hundreds of hours now, spent many nights not even sleeping. im over pargon 470 and my gear is almost all BiS. however, my damage doesnt even compete with all other classes that have even okay or started gear. im critting for about 50-70 mil which i find is a joke with BiS. other classes are hitting 4-8 times harder with my kind of gear. so i think its funny, new patch, some old 1 build per class mentality. i mean,you definitely cant compete with the damage im doing even with the best gear. i personally dont like raekor so i feel like im being forced to play at it, because at this point in the season if i remade my chracter and tried to regear, it would take me hundreds and hundreds of hours to get the same gear i have on my barb and i would have very little chance of making it high on the leaderboards when everyone else has hundreds of hours of an advantage.
i know what everyone is thinking " well then why are all the classes high on the leaderboards", 1 answer, classes like barbs have to skip 40% of the elite packs they fight, and any idiot could kill a bunch of zombies and skelotons, get an easy rift boss boom boom bang. also raekor is good for clearing trash even though they have to skip a lot of elites. and also if you look on the leaderboard yeah they're are maybe 100 barbs or so 35+ and there is over 1000 demon hunters over 35+. and thats just an example of one class, you cant just look and say hey look everyone is high on the leaderboard therefor theres balance in the game. do you really wanna know what raekor barbs do in groups? they die, over and over or they just sit there while everyone kills fiery chains and eletrify.
here is my gear, and please dont say "your not using a 2 hander" because
so anyone who is trying to gear leapquake, if your trying to compete, switch builds or classes now because you will NEVER compete as leapquake.
and i know i have a level 1 gem in my neck, was testing its damage so you can avoid bashing me on that, k thanks bye.
So your argument: Why can't I compete using a sub-optimal end game set vs optimal end game sets of other classes. Why do people think that Blizzard can perfect multiple sets for many different builds in an environment as competitive as greater rifts? There are a lot of factors to be considered outside of just raw statistics as well..
If you want to be competitive, you have to go to the best. This isn't "one build mentality" this is how every competition works for anything; sports, video games, doesn't matter. Optimality will always win out and will always be determined, that's how it goes; if you don't like it, then don't be competitive :/
Meanwhile Alkaizer does grift41 on his seasonal barbarian...
We refer you to all the posts regarding monster density RNG and skipping elite packs.
So you say Barb is not good for higher Grifts (not competitive enough). But when someone finds a way to do the higher grifts you say that "nah this is not the way he should do it". Essentially, until yo beat grift40+ by the way you want to do it, everything else is bad, lame and not proper.
So the guys who did lvl50 grift in party and left elites behind did it wrong and this tactic is stupid?
Mate, someone already discovered what to do to get high grifts with barb why don't you use their knowledge and embrace it? You can say that Unity is lame, and should not be count as 'normal beating' of grifts. RoRG is lame, because it bands the game mechanics.
Higher rifts are doable as Barb. If you don't want to do it in way it's effective it's only your choice but don't say noone should roll barb because he is underpowered.
i never said that, have you been paying attentiuon to this post? i said never roll leapquake UNLESSS your ice for support with ground stomp and cold rend for 10% extra damage boost for party. fire leapquake sucks dude, ive tried every variable multiple times for hours and hours and my average crit was around 70 mil. thats terrible, i think you could agree on that. furious charge can crit over 250 mil, and thats build diversity to you? furious charge is ok as long as you have the lightning immuity necklace, otherwise your gonna suck in groups because 25% of packs are electrify.and yes 1 barb got high on the greater rifts, have you seen the leaderboards? about 100 barbs past g rift 35, about over 1200 demon hunters past that? hmmm..i wonder whats better? and thats only comparing ONE class.
Discontinued's quoute - "So your argument: Why can't I compete using a sub-optimal end game set vs optimal end game sets of other classes. Why do people think that Blizzard can perfect multiple sets for many different builds in an environment as competitive as greater rifts? There are a lot of factors to be considered outside of just raw statistics as well..
If you want to be competitive, you have to go to the best. This isn't "one build mentality" this is how every competition works for anything; sports, video games, doesn't matter. Optimality will always win out and will always be determined, that's how it goes; if you don't like it, then don't be competitive"
your missing the big picture here...first off, its NOT that hard to balance leapquake and furious charge. you wanna know how i know? because they WERE competitive with each other BEFORE they made leapquake not stack, now its just a joke. and quit defending blizzard, you think its ok that each class has only 1 build besides crusader? sure you have the option of fire charge and lightning, but guess what? fire is two times better. still just one. until people realize the major problem in this game nothing is going to change, yeah you might like your build. good for you, doesnt mean everyone does. its like when the trade centers went down, sure people in africa didnt give two shits most likely, does it mean that it was ok? people always have this well it doesnt affect ME mentality when actually it affects the whole cumminity which DOES affect you. do you have any idea how many people already quit this game for this EXACT reason? what happens when the game starts dying, and they dont make enough money next expansion because LOTS of people have quit because of things like these? they might not even MAKE a new expansion once they see they're numbers at the end of this one, how many people quit because of things like this. getting your favorite build essentially taken out of the game.look at pet doctors, they are a joke to. you think they are going to continue making expansions when they see how many people quit because of things like these? id love to hear your selfish response so go ahead. make fun of the "gear" that i dont even play anymore and gave away to a friend.
You can do over GRift 40 in a group with leapquake. I personally have done 42, in season, at paragon level 200-something in a group full of paragon 200-somethings. It has problems but it is miles ahead of the 'second spec' of most every other class. Honest.
Not really replying to the OP here since he is a troll, just to other barbarians who might stumble on this thread. We do have problems sure, but in GROUP PLAY at least you can play Fire DPS Leap-quake through at least greater rift 42 and contribute to the clear. I did it myself.
Fun fact. Don't come asking for help and then belittle the people trying to help you.
irst off the only way strangarm will work with leapquake is with seismic slam which will get you KILLED...which right off the bat tells me you dont know what your talking about.
Case in point. Learn how to speak to people. It doesn't matter whether he was right or not, but someone took the time to respond to you and this is how you respond back? I'd probably hit you if you started talking to me like that in person.
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i know what everyone is thinking " well then why are all the classes high on the leaderboards", 1 answer, classes like barbs have to skip 40% of the elite packs they fight, and any idiot could kill a bunch of zombies and skelotons, get an easy rift boss boom boom bang. also raekor is good for clearing trash even though they have to skip a lot of elites. and also if you look on the leaderboard yeah they're are maybe 100 barbs or so 35+ and there is over 1000 demon hunters over 35+. and thats just an example of one class, you cant just look and say hey look everyone is high on the leaderboard therefor theres balance in the game. do you really wanna know what raekor barbs do in groups? they die, over and over or they just sit there while everyone kills fiery chains and eletrify.
here is my gear, and please dont say "your not using a 2 hander" because
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/copealope-1223/hero/47604958
1) i have a max damage roll maximus with good fire damage, similar result
2) off hand damage doesnt matter with leapwuake so you get more stats with 2 1 handers.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/copealope-1223/hero/51716830
so anyone who is trying to gear leapquake, if your trying to compete, switch builds or classes now because you will NEVER compete as leapquake.
and i know i have a level 1 gem in my neck, was testing its damage so you can avoid bashing me on that, k thanks bye.
You forgot to post the link to your profile/gear.
You also don't happen to have some footage of your gameplay so that we can pick your brain a little, do you? I'm interested in hearing the thoughts of people with your kind of experience (less conventional build, tons of hours played, near BiS rolls, etc).
sort of like theres no hope for lots of builds and classes, which doctor pet build for example.
i think this game majorly lacks build diversity,
let me explain what you can do as barb right now and make it in high greater rifts, fire raekor, lightning raekor with shard and odyn son....thats it.,
even ancient spear boulder toss is garbage, close to the best gear and critting for 165 million while jade doc's crit for 600 mill in the same ammount of time...and the sad part, jade doctors arent that good either!
It would be better imo if we actually focused on the core argument: that Leapquake itself, even with near BiS rolls, is still easily outperformed by mediocre end-game sets?
I'm a bit biased on this particular matter, so I'm not gonna argue too much, but I do think these minor item changes would barely change his dps/performance - like a 5-10% change? So, even with those considered, is it safe to say a Leapquake Barb is outperformed by what he mentioned? I think that should be the focus.
I mean, we can discuss what is and isn't BiS for the rest of the day.
my friend just started a wizard, got his firebird set in 4 day and is doing MORE damage then me. not complaining here but i think it seems kind of unfair seeing as to how i put hundreds of hours and sleepless nights into this and someone else whos a casual does more damage. wheres the logic there?
and i doubt you can go g rift 34 with ik set,. ill tell you this though, you wont be competing with raekor. not by a longshot.
and if you keep your ik set, sooner or later your ancients are going to get 1 shotted and your gonna lose all that damage reduction. this also tells me that you havent done any high greater rifts.
ALSOOO, im hitting for 70 million, with almost all bis or close to it, "with hexing pants and berserker rage" 50% more damage. other classes are doing 3 - 6 times that ammount, you really think an extra 10% elite damage or 10% fire damage or whatever the case is going to QUADROUPLE my damage? youd have to be a complete barb fan boy to think this or just dont care about leaderboards or damage.
wizards can hit for 400 mil within 8 seconds as well, and in that ammount of time we might hit for 180 mil. can you do math?
btw i gave my account away to a friend, gear is changed.
With Furnace and only defensive buffs from Crusader/Monk (so I didn't get one-shot gg) earthquake ticks were 100-120m, so you can get it to be higher than what you're experiencing. I do agree leapquake damage is not close to what other classes can get, but honestly not very many classes can contribute to a group doing 40+ with their 'second' spec. It's a problem with every class that there is one clearly superior set-based spec.
I have not played much solo though as I usually am playing with friends, so I can't speak to that.
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Let's work in math, documentation, etc to work out the issues and be constructive Barb Team!
btw if your using bane of the trapped with stun leapquake, thats a different problem, because in high greater rifts you will die constantly by not having the armor leap so you can go ahead and just forget that. also i gave my account away, im not going to equip all my gear just so people can believe me, i could care less. but leading people on telling them it crits that high when it doesnt unless your defense its balls is just not true, and even then i dont see it critting over 90 mil.
OP: "HEY GUIS IM QUIT CUZ IM BiS AND BARB IS FOR SUX SO DONT EVEN TRY IT"
Everyone else: "Your gear is trash. You dont understand game mechanics. You're mad cuz bad.
OP continues to defend position.
I'm just here lulzing.
If you want to be competitive, you have to go to the best. This isn't "one build mentality" this is how every competition works for anything; sports, video games, doesn't matter. Optimality will always win out and will always be determined, that's how it goes; if you don't like it, then don't be competitive :/
If you want to be competitive, you have to go to the best. This isn't "one build mentality" this is how every competition works for anything; sports, video games, doesn't matter. Optimality will always win out and will always be determined, that's how it goes; if you don't like it, then don't be competitive"
your missing the big picture here...first off, its NOT that hard to balance leapquake and furious charge. you wanna know how i know? because they WERE competitive with each other BEFORE they made leapquake not stack, now its just a joke. and quit defending blizzard, you think its ok that each class has only 1 build besides crusader? sure you have the option of fire charge and lightning, but guess what? fire is two times better. still just one. until people realize the major problem in this game nothing is going to change, yeah you might like your build. good for you, doesnt mean everyone does. its like when the trade centers went down, sure people in africa didnt give two shits most likely, does it mean that it was ok? people always have this well it doesnt affect ME mentality when actually it affects the whole cumminity which DOES affect you. do you have any idea how many people already quit this game for this EXACT reason? what happens when the game starts dying, and they dont make enough money next expansion because LOTS of people have quit because of things like these? they might not even MAKE a new expansion once they see they're numbers at the end of this one, how many people quit because of things like this. getting your favorite build essentially taken out of the game.look at pet doctors, they are a joke to. you think they are going to continue making expansions when they see how many people quit because of things like these? id love to hear your selfish response so go ahead. make fun of the "gear" that i dont even play anymore and gave away to a friend.
Not really replying to the OP here since he is a troll, just to other barbarians who might stumble on this thread. We do have problems sure, but in GROUP PLAY at least you can play Fire DPS Leap-quake through at least greater rift 42 and contribute to the clear. I did it myself.
Case in point. Learn how to speak to people. It doesn't matter whether he was right or not, but someone took the time to respond to you and this is how you respond back? I'd probably hit you if you started talking to me like that in person.