Barb looking to push from 130k dps up to 200k. thoughts?

  • #1
    Armory here: http://us.battle.net...9/hero/15367989

    D3up here: http://d3up.com/b/436263

    Saturday night i sold the most amazing item I've ever found and come into a windfall of gold larger than i ever thought possible.

    I want to upgrade my barbarian from the ~130k DPS range unbuffed up more toward the 200k Dps range, Unbuffed.
    Currently im running WW with Rend instead of a fury generator.
    i generally farm scorps and Skeletons in KD2/AC2 on MP10.

    what would you upgrade next?

    Fixed my armory link.
  • #2
    213 views, no advice. cool.
  • #3
    Just checked your gear, I would go for a new belt for sure.
    You can check out my Diablo III RoS videos here
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  • #4
    Also if your going with the WW/rend build a skorn would help alot
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  • #5
    whats wrong with my belt? O_O

    i have a semi-cheap skorn in my bags, it only provides a 4k dps upgrade, and the nado tick rate drops drastically meaning it seems more of a dps Loss to use the skorn, at least the one i currently have.
  • #6
    192 str is low, also you can get vit on your belt

    Edit: About the skorn. If you get a good one you don't really need to spin to win anymore. It's rend to win :)

    Edit x2: rend is all about hitting like a truck(crit chance/damge, avg damage, and str. Attack speed is not nearly as important any more)
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  • #7
    Buy Echoing fury and put it in your off hand, you dont need big dps on it, just look for socket, life steal, str etc, whatever you need. It won't be expensive and you will get large chunk of dps, test it with AH and see which one gives you biggest dps. By holding ALT and cliking on linked weapon you can see how much dps it gives you when you put it in off hand.
  • #8
    Quote from ChromeOnRust

    192 str is low, also you can get vit on your belt

    Edit: About the skorn. If you get a good one you don't really need to spin to win anymore. It's rend to win :)

    Edit x2: rend is all about hitting like a truck(crit chance/damge, avg damage, and str. Attack speed is not nearly as important any more)


    What stats would you recommend looking for on a skorn? Str in the 300 range, CC in the 180 range, but for the Random do i want LS or something else?

    As you can see from my gear, Attack speed has been something i've been aquiring. due to that, should i look into a HOTA build instead of a rend build? i've seen some guides of HOTA builds doing pretty solid damage. would HOTA work allright with 2 x 1h, as long as i brought my OH's damage up?
  • #9
    A few pointers:

    The IK set is very defensive and is sub optimal to say the least. Defense is useful but should be stacked with extreme caution because it gets completely useless very quickly while your DPS just decreases and the price of items just grow.

    Please understand that attack speed is only a support stat like life steal, it only makes you generate hp back faster which makes it easier to survive Molten, Plagued etc. The stat comes no where even close to the values of Strength, Crit, Crit dmg, Elemental damage or Average dmg.

    There is a very big difference in SHEET dps and actual dps output. Items like Stone of Jordan and abilities like Brawler might not raise your ingame calculators DPS number but trust me your actual dps will skyrocket because of them. Same things goes for gems, use a Ruby in your main hand and a Emerald in your offhand.

    If you want to be smart about your purchases your looking for a combo that uses:

    Immortal King's Chest -- 160str, max vitality
    Immortal King's Head -- 180str, 65 all resistance
    immortal King's Gloves -- Max strength, max crit dmg

    Inna's Pants -- Choose between Strength, vitality or all resistance
    Zunimassa's Boots -- 80str, 65vit, 50all res, 8 poison dmg
    Witching Hour -- Max strength, max crit dmg
    Stone of Jordan -- 30 elite dmg, 6 cold dmg, ability bonus does not matter

    Crafted Bracers -- Very high strength, 5-6 crit and either high vit or all res required
    Crafted Amulet -- Max strength, max crit dmg
    Crafted Shoulders -- High strength, both vit and all res are required

    Life Steal on BOTH Weapons -- Crit dmg, socket and life steal on both.

    Basically what that combination builds on is that instead of spreading every stat you want everywhere (which makes your items cost a shitload more) you choose a few defensive slots and get everything from there which allows you to compensate with multiple glass cannon slots.

    PS. Dont be a dumdum and craft ..of vitality items! ;)
  • #10
    would be nice if you stated exactly how much gold you have to spend in order for us to help you properly, heres my 2 cents thou.

    Replace your pants with a rare one with 350+stats 2 sox and 65+ @res. I dont really see the need for inna's pants and rather take the movement speed from lacunis which have dropped drasticly in price.

    Your gloves also needs some love and id replace them with a str/vit/chd/chc rare. I know you can craft them but they have dropped so much in price since the crafting patch that you can focus your early crafts on amulets instead. For instance i bought my gloves for 40mil(post profile below).

    You dont really need 9% ls. If you wanna keep your passive i suggest you replace your IK one with a good witching hour. High str(200+) and high chd.

    I would also replace your hellfire ring since i find the xp bonus from MP levels enough and would aim for one with 30+avg str/chd/chc.

    As for your weapons they are both decent. If you want to use ww/hota hybrid you really want to replace your offhand with one with higher dps. Once again if you want to stick to your IK-belt and passive then get one with 1000+ dps 100ish str chd and a socket.

    Rend bases its damage from weapon damage so if you want to go ww/rend id really suggest getting a skorn. Either with high str or ls, it all depends as ive said earlier what gear/passives you choose with it. As you already stumbled on thou with a skorn your rage generation will suffer so before you commit make sure its a playstyle you like.

    Heres my profile http://eu.battle.net...98/hero/1865792 feel free to add me if you have any specific questions.
  • #11
    Thank you for the post Strafir, but i do have to disagree with a point:

    Please understand that attack speed is only a support stat like life steal, it only makes you generate hp back faster which makes it easier to survive Molten, Plagued etc. The stat comes no where even close to the values of Strength, Crit, Crit dmg, Elemental damage or Average dmg



    Attack speed is an Offense stat. not a support stat. it makes you generate back HP faster through life steal because it is bringing your DPS up. (for me currently each point of attack speed is worh about 1k dps, whereas a point of Crit chance is worth 1600k dps and Crit Damage is only worth 218 a point (5 points of CD worth around 1 AS, and 7 pts of CD for 1 CC. that said. obviously getting 50CD is a hell of a lot easier than getting 50 AS or 50 crit.). IAS also hits Breakpoints for tornadoes, and nadoes are the primary damagesource for WW barbs.


    There is a very big difference in SHEET dps and actual dps output. Items like Stone of Jordan and abilities like Brawler might not raise your ingame calculators DPS number but trust me your actual dps will skyrocket because of them. Same things goes for gems, use a Ruby in your main hand and a Emerald in your offhand.

    One sec while i Sim Ruby mainhand.

    - Unbuffed this is a dps/tdps LOSS for my character. -9721 DPS, -21075 tDPS.
    - Buffed this is a DPS/tDPS LOSS for my character. -12079 DPS, -27280 tDPS
    - Buffed with WOTB this is a DPS LOSS . -18026 DPS, -46315 tDPS.

    No, a Ruby in my weapons main hand slot is a BAD idea.

    If you want to be smart about your purchases your looking for a combo that uses:

    Immortal King's Chest -- 160str, max vitality
    Immortal King's Head -- 180str 65 all resistance
    immortal King's Gloves -- Max strength, max crit dmg

    Inna's Pants -- Choose between Strength, vitality or all resistance
    Zunimassa's Boots -- 80str, 65vit, 50all res, 8 poison dmg
    Witching Hour -- Max strength, max crit dmg
    Stone of Jordan -- 30 elite dmg, 6 cold dmg, ability bonus does not matter

    Crafted Bracers -- Very high strength, 5-6 crit and either high vit or all res required
    Crafted Amulet -- Max strength, max crit dmg
    Crafted Shoulders -- High strength, both vit and all res are required

    Life Steal on BOTH Weapons -- Crit dmg, socket and life steal on both.

    Basically what that combination builds on is that instead of spreading every stat you want everywhere (which makes your items cost a shitload more) you choose a few defensive slots and get everything from there which allows you to compensate with multiple glass cannon slots.




    Interesting. i've heard about the benefit of Inna pants before. but everything i've read says only once you have a retarded amount of damage. would this gear you've suggested hit that point?


    PS. Dont be a dumdum and craft ..of vitality items! ;)


    this directly conflicts with something i've allways heard, whitch is to craft "Of Vitality" shoulders, because spads of str can at most roll 200 vit 330 str... whereas vit spads can get a 330 vit 300 str roll. this makes "of Vit" a gain of 100 stat points.

    would be nice if you stated exactly how much gold you have to spend in order for us to help you properly,


    Welp rly diddnt want to say, but i sold a 6 crit chance dex mempo. my budget is conservativly around 1 billion (inb4 omg you diddnt sell that for a bill did you?!?!: no i sold it for a bit over 2 billion, but i want to hold some of my gold i got from it back, and sell on the RMAH to recoup some costs from wow timecards and buying Diablo 3 :3)
    and i wish i could add you. im north america server. ;(
  • #12
    You didnt understand when I said that sheet dps and actual max output are two very different things. You impress your buddies on diabloprogress with the first while you drop monsters down twice as fast with the other.

    The formula behind the number your armory shows is (wpn dps*attack speed)*(crit*crit dmg/100+1)*(strength/100) which will always spit out a specific value for attack speed which has nothing to do with how it really works out. Im not denying that it raises the ticks of your tornadoes, but current youre not even using a cold damage item that could work in correlation with the tornadoes to actually make monster stick in place for long enough for them to enjoy the full duration. Sacrificing Strength, Crit, Crit dmg or Average dmg for attack speed will impact your output alot and is generally a very bad idea.

    If youre into simming stuff then perhaps you should take your eyes off the damn DPS gained/lost text and actually see how the crit damage loss/average damage increase will affect your main ABILITIES. Normally the values of Strength and Average damage is very similar, but because youre using weapons with the %damage stat the value of Average damage instantly increases by an equal amount, this is something d3rawr and the ingame calculator has no idea about.

    There are no smart pants in this game really and Innas pants are the best choice mostly because of the movement speed. If you want to be super creative a better but harder to find choice would be to get very defensive pants and a Tyrael's Might. This will increase your output the most.

    Its very true that ..of vitality craftables will eventually result in the best crafted items in this game, but im afraid that has nothing to do with you in this current situation. Optimizing for HP on shoulders or bracers is idiotic before you have the best dps amulet the world has ever seen. Bracers and shoulders are two important slots for you because they allow you to use glass cannon items, so youre looking for preferably both vitality and all resistance with an acceptable amount of strength (250+) and then it just gets so much more beneficial to just keep making amulets 'til the end of time.

    Here is my profile as a reference: http://eu.battle.net...2/hero/21219859
    I uploaded some Skorn gameplay if youre curious: http://www.youtube.com/user/Strafirs

    With this way of gearing up I managed to buy items for roughly 2bil and later sold them for 17bil.
  • #13
    @lixxan

    Just because Vile wards, Lacunis and amulets have dropped in price doesnt mean its a good idea to buy them, especially with gold having been this unstable for the passed few weeks. They are significantly worse and will keep dropping in price constantly which guarantees that you wont get your money back when you dont want to settle for something crappy anymore.
  • #14
    If youre into simming stuff then perhaps you should take your eyes off the damn DPS gained/lost text and actually see how the crit damage loss/average damage increase will affect your main ABILITIES. Normally the values of Strength and Average damage is very similar, but because youre using weapons with the %damage stat the value of Average damage instantly increases by an equal amount, this is something d3rawr and the ingame calculator has no idea about.

    theres no need to be hostile. i wasnt trying to be smug saying i was simming something, or that what you were suggesting appeared to be a dps loss. i was using the info i had available to try to understand what you were saying, and it diddnt seem correct.

    Thanks for the info about D3Rawr, i wasnt aware of that limitation in the site. i'll keep that in mind. can you estimate for me what Rubied mainhand would do to my dps (not paperdoll dps. i do know that paterdoll dps is essentially meaningless, whitch is why i brought up tDPS in my last post.)

    If you want to be super creative a better but harder to find choice would be to get very defensive pants and a Tyrael's Might. This will increase your output the most.


    buh? im guessing because of Tyrael's +15% to demons?
  • #15
    could you elobrate abit on the ruby in main hand? is it only for black weapons or for all? same thing with Soj is it worth it if you dont have two black weps?
  • #16
    Quote from Strafir

    @lixxan

    Just because Vile wards, Lacunis and amulets have dropped in price doesnt mean its a good idea to buy them, especially with gold having been this unstable for the passed few weeks. They are significantly worse and will keep dropping in price constantly which guarantees that you wont get your money back when you dont want to settle for something crappy anymore.


    no but it also depends on how much you play, I can only speak for myself but it will take a long time before i manage to craft all the pieces i want in order to replace for example my gloves. So if i get a big dmg increase for 40 mil which i will use for a month, atleast to me, i dont really mind not getting my money back.
  • #17
    @TehSilph
    Dont take my tantrums too personal, it still kills me inside to know that 99% of players have no clue how great they could be if they just tried something that was perhaps a little unusual.

    The way you make your runs faster and more effective isnt to stand still more because you are hitting less but doing it a little faster, but instead to one shot the monsters and move along to the next.

    Like discussed attack speed isnt optimal and youre missing out on alot of strength and defense. If you use a tyraels chest you gain the movement speed there and can go all out on strength and defense on pants instead. In the end you will end up with a significant demon bonus, elite bonus and like 150 strength instead of just plain attack speed. I want to underline again that it might get very expensive and take a long time before you find a good enough tyraels and rare pants while there are 200 pages of innas pants posted for basically no money at all.

    @lixxan
    Weapons can spawn with part elemental damage and still have the %damage stat which will increase the value of your average damage, but elemental damage from items like Zunimassa's boots or a Stone of Jordan scales alot better with all physical weapons because of the way it multiplies.

    Basically why having a ruby is a good idea is because it will raise your HITS by 2-3 times as much as an emerald would increase your crits. Use that logic with your ability of choice and figure it out.

    Even if youre playing on a low MP and the SOJ wont shine as much I still think its a very solid choice. You want to move forward as fast as possible and not stop for elites, and the cold damage is very very powerful when it comes to monsters sticking to your tornadoes for more than two ticks. You will do more damage without even being there and gain more fury to keep your WOTB up.
  • #18
    I'll try some of this out. for now, i kind of want to stay with dual wielding. So for now i want to look into different weapons.. Mainhand Str Crit Socket LS %damage (preferably black damage). Offhand EF with LS/Socket?

    as for my other pieces, i should probably just start crafting Spads bracers and ammys so i have them ready, i guess.

    im kind of suprised you dont suggest Trifect pieces anywhere.
  • #19
    Quote from TehSilph

    I'll try some of this out. for now, i kind of want to stay with dual wielding. So for now i want to look into different weapons.. Mainhand Str Crit Socket LS %damage (preferably black damage). Offhand EF with LS/Socket?

    as for my other pieces, i should probably just start crafting Spads bracers and ammys so i have them ready, i guess.

    im kind of suprised you dont suggest Trifect pieces anywhere.


    Your main hand does most of the action so having your EF in the offhand is better for keeping fearing under control.

    Rare weapons are very expensive and usually cost about 2-3 times more than the EF. If you think some hybrid of HotA is what you seek then I strongly suggest going for a rare axe since the weapon damage is usually very high and the speed isnt too slow or too fast. Dont cheap out and get too little life steal. Only hard part after that is to find a weapon with high enough base dps to make it worth buying.

    Rare axe - 50+ crit dmg, Life steal 2,5, socket.
    EF - 0.24aps, Life steal 2,5, socket.

    Trifecta can mean either crit/critdmg/ias or crit/critdmg/avgdmg and I hope you realize which benefits you more.

    If you compare my 150mil buyout gloves to any 500-900mil trifecta ones mine win in both sheet dps and max output. Same goes for trifecta rings when compared to a Unity (just the elite dmg gives you something like 10-14k dps) yet the trifectas are ridiculously expensive because they are the traditional norm that dumdums keep buying.

    In the ~6500 amulets ive crafted I think 4 have had a quad roll of strength (340+) quad crit dmg (92+) double or triple crit (5-8). Only the one im wearing now has rolled an additional defensive stat. To get a high Ias or avg dmg roll ontop of everything is astronomical.

    Ive made something like 20 different trifectas (crit/critdmg/ias) with shitty strength that dont come even close to my current one.
  • #20
    Is there some trick to filtering the AH to only display black weapons?
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