Now what? More Dmg or More defense?

  • #1
    Hey guys,

    I'm aiming to farm some highers MP for more mf +loot bonus. I tried it and its doable but I often face ennemies that rape me hard. I wonder if more defense would make it or I should increase my dmg and let the life steal do his job !

    Id like your advice on some upgrades I need, or just a general idea about def stats, or dps stats.

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Johbond-1442/hero/27778846

    I know my gems are bad and planning on upgrading em soon!
  • #2
    Quote from Kastor

    Hey guys,

    I'm aiming to farm some highers MP for more mf +loot bonus. I tried it and its doable but I often face ennemies that rape me hard. I wonder if more defense would make it or I should increase my dmg and let the life steal do his job !

    Id like your advice on some upgrades I need, or just a general idea about def stats, or dps stats.

    http://us.battle.net...2/hero/27778846

    I know my gems are bad and planning on upgrading em soon!


    Higher MP is over rated. I started thinking it was the way to go but after watching
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaKqeOt4c7o&continue_action=p3z7Nxh3ZoFaqjy5nhNI1UXATp0ctMZCRYSKpbmF49NsudB2YqUwdHGz5ELpH69E2i_7eBW5NUUAnT0DoMWdCdCtQQoW1hgsd2xx_8bFL-k=

    I completely changed how I farm. Now even farming MP0 I am averaging a legendary every 10-15 minutes.

    Either way, gear looks decent really only thing to do from where you are is add more crit crit damage and attack speed. Probably suggest getting str crit lacunis and some high str ice climbers.
  • #3
    Quote from Adhal

    Quote from Kastor

    Hey guys,

    I'm aiming to farm some highers MP for more mf +loot bonus. I tried it and its doable but I often face ennemies that rape me hard. I wonder if more defense would make it or I should increase my dmg and let the life steal do his job !

    Id like your advice on some upgrades I need, or just a general idea about def stats, or dps stats.

    http://us.battle.net...2/hero/27778846

    I know my gems are bad and planning on upgrading em soon!


    Higher MP is over rated. I started thinking it was the way to go but after watching
    =

    I completely changed how I farm. Now even farming MP0 I am averaging a legendary every 10-15 minutes.

    Either way, gear looks decent really only thing to do from where you are is add more crit crit damage and attack speed. Probably suggest getting str crit lacunis and some high str ice climbers.


    I looked at lacunis and ice climbers, and thought the price was damn overpriced. For the climbers, I know the AR is very nice on em, but for lacunis, As i already have the Ms cap, I wondered if it wasnt a waste of money since its gonna be in the 100M + to get decent.

    Thx for ur input !
  • #4
    Bump cuz this video is just a lucky run. It doesnt happen it real life !

    Need more advice I dont wanna waste Millions :( !
  • #5
    Quote from Kastor

    Bump cuz this video is just a lucky run. It doesnt happen it real life !

    Need more advice I dont wanna waste Millions :( !


    For higher MP get more survivability, if you don't die you kill things faster.
  • #6
    Dude it does happen in real life. i run mp 2-3 for keys plus select areas usually fast access to lots of trash or elites. usually i get 2-3 legendaries a night, one every 2-3 runs but my runs are short 30-40 minutes runs sometimes even less if i have bids expiring. last night i found a 1h xbow and 2 rather nicely rolled cindercoats. you need to understand how mf works, back in 1.0.2 someone did a research on goblins mf runs on different mf gears. out of 200 runs with or without mf gear the items that dropped are not improved by MF. meaning a run with no mf gear and with mf gear u get the same amount of items, may that be a white, magical, rare, or legendary/set items. each item drop it calculates if can it be a legendary with a very small chance. then it goes to 6 prop rare to 5 prop rare to 4 prop rare then to magical items then to white then to grey. it each level drop the chances are getting bigger as you move a along. so one run drops 1000 items u have 1000 chance of legendary drop (this is true blizzard explained as much even on official game guide) with higher mf your chance of that 1000 items being a legendary increases ever so slightly (think of it like the chances of winning the big prize in lotto). lets say maybe chance of a legendary is 0.01% with a 100% mf this will raise to 0.02%... with 300%mf it become 0.04% and thats the cap with paragon levels and gear combined cap. now we can only speculate how internally the mp level is added does mp10 adds it like the normal cap does so it become 0.05% or it will double it to 0.08% but in any case you can see the chance are pretty small right? now lets say u can clear higher mps but it takes u two hours but on lower mp you can clear the same path in 30 minutes. so thats 4 runs instead of 1 that is 4000 items drop instead of 1000. i will say you probably have more chance in those 4000 drops to be honest.

    now this is only for normal monsters. keys and organs to my understanding are different. on mp10 to my understanding is it will drop 100% with 5 stack valour. so the only reasons i would run higher mp 7-10 are for keys on organs only. you can see even streamers runs farming on mp5-6 not at mp7-10 (even so they kill elites in 4-5 hits with their 200k dps char)

    if u get rape at higher levels then u need more survival stats your off hand looks like easy to replace, low dps with socket, 80-99% crit damage, str, and loh or ls are not expensive. i got my oh sword with socket 99%crit damage 183 str 600loh for just over 300k. spend a mil or 2 u can get one with 200 over str, good vit and good loh (or maybe lifesteal). bump your vit more u probably want 40k life minimum and your AR to over 500. some ppl try to run with armor rune for your shout instead of 20% more resist because your resist is so small you probably get more from armor. glove and amulet looks like obvious upgrade since both has none. add AR to them if u need to survive, try amulet with good ar 100 over str vit with crit chance of 7 or above (easier to find and cheaper on amulet than gloves). it will not cost you a lot and see if u can survive better. remove your ruby for your helm use life gems and dont use your hell fire rings. use those for exp run on mp1 but not on higher mps. get rings that offer survival stats, str+vit ar attack speed crit lohand mix % match it. inna legs dont give u much survival stats but the movement speed crit and ias are hard to replace. so we can try use blood funnel rune for ww instead of hurricane. i use 22%ms with hurricane and i found my self zipping left and right not hitting mobs properly and step into nasty stuffs so see if u can stand the lost of movement on the ww rune. i personally prefer 12% ms and hurricane rune it gives me more control. i turn off the damage numbers to be able to see health globes on the floor and those nasty things like arcane orb. sounds trivial but somehow it helps me survive.

    i have 50 str 10%crit 99%crit damage increase 300life/sec amulet which increase my damage by quite a margin but i survive better with a budget 160str 140vit 70ar 7%crit amulet. i had about 6 cheap rings as well all cost 200-300k each and i mix and match it till i found the nice balance to farm mp3 without deaths when i started. i am sure i can do higher mps but i am comfortable at mp3 with relatively fast clear and no deaths. my gear cost less than 2m too, i have plenty of room for upgrade. but the point is sometimes is not about getting better upgrades but finding the right balance. then farm to make money to buy those overpriced items like ice climbers. i even have self found gear on me.
  • #7
    It's all about numbers. Yes the higher MP can give you a better percentage, but you kill at a slower rate. Is it better to kill 10 mobs a minute with a 2% chance to drop a legendary, or 100 mobs a minute with a .5% chance to drop a legendary? Those are made up statistics just to prove a point so dont quote me on those but you see my point. I only ran at MP0 to level paragon quicker and just started farming keys at MP3-5 and noticed a significant drop in legendaries per day. i run no MF and only do runs for about an hour a day so its not a lot, but in MP0 i could do about 2-3 more runs, which netted 1-2 legendaries a day, compared to 1-2 a week in MP3-5.
  • #8
    ^ 10 mobs / min with 2% = 12 legendaries an hour
    100 / min with .5% = 30.

    Sorry, you challenged me :)

    Anyway, it does happen in stretches like this. I do MP4 where I can fly through stuff, and last night I found 3 legendaries in one key run (act 2, killed about 8 elites and the KW). Of course this doesn't happen on average, but it does happen. The key is, as these guys pointed out, focus on killing as quickly and as many as possible and putting the time in. FYI I have about 350 MF at full stacks.
  • #9
    Quote from Kastor

    Bump cuz this video is just a lucky run. It doesnt happen it real life !

    Need more advice I dont wanna waste Millions :( !


    Its not that lucky of a run, I do it myself and when I follow the exact method I get an average of 1 legendary per run (10-15 min depending on how lazy I am). does this mean that I get a legendary ever run? No. But then I get a run where I get 2-3 which evens things out.

    Oh and good lacunis arent 100m+ you can get ones with 80+str, 9% attack speed, and 4 crit for 20-30m. And 24% movement speed is pretty much mandatory for any effiecient farmng build.
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