If your build gets more loot/hour in low MP than it does in high MP, though, and a sprint/whirlwind barb gets more loot/hour than you at low MP, then a sprint/whirlwind barb gets more loot/hour than you. It doesn't matter how fast you can kill stuff in MP10 if you can't get more loot/hour in MP10 than other builds can get at any MP level. In the end, loot/hour (measured by its gold/euro/dollar value), xp/hour and hellfire rings/hour are the only real measurements for effectiveness, and you're not going to maximize any of them at MP10 no matter what build you use because monster HP is simply too high there.
Only thing that comes close is hellfire ring farming efficiency because the drop rates on keys and parts scale so differently than XP and loot do, and even then you'll need a LOT of DPS for anything above MP8 to be worth considering.
Doing MP10 right now is nothing more than something to do to earn coolness points on youtube. Not that those don't have any value, monetizing your video can get you some euros/dollars too not just loot sold on RMAH, but you get the idea
If you take more than twice as long to clear MP10 than I take to clear MP0 then you're wasting your time doing MP10 (and wasting your gold on getting the gear to do it). Of course, the OP must know that already and made the video just for the coolness factor, but the rest seem to not realize it...
And no. MP9 would still not be worthwhile. Even not compared to MP0, and especially not compared to some kind of low-ish MP level. HP of monsters simply scale way too fast while the MF and XP just don't scale fast enough. It's about time people realized that...
All of the information here is awesome! As a returning-veteran-turned noob, would anyone mind going over how to actually utilize the skills in these builds? Their "rotation" as it were. I'm starting from scratch at level 1 with a barbarian and would greatly appreciate a brief overview of how to actually use these builds. Thanks!
PS: I would much rather have sent this as a private message to Erlend, but I don't have 10 posts yet so I couldn't.
And no. MP9 would still not be worthwhile. Even not compared to MP0, and especially not compared to some kind of low-ish MP level. HP of monsters simply scale way too fast while the MF and XP just don't scale fast enough. It's about time people realized that...
There are break points where it is no more efficient to do mp0 than doing mp1, which occur when you aren't taking any longer to kill things with more hp. With enough dps, its possible to go up several mp levels, because you will be 1shotting mobs (or killing them within the same time span) even if you did lower mp levels. This can make higher mp levels worth it.
If you're only farming for keys or organ pieces, its also possible that higher mp levels are more efficient, if the time saved by doing fewer runs is greater than the time saved by doing runs faster. If it takes you 4 minutes to do mp5 runs, and 5:00 to do mp10 runs, the mp10 runs would be more effective.
So while mp10 might not be the best for him, with that much dps, he could probably do mp 3 (or higher) without losing enough time to make it less valuable.
The amount of info posted as fact about the relative efficiency of Mp0/1 v MP10 is pretty scary. I didn't know there was still such confusion out there. Crazy.
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Only thing that comes close is hellfire ring farming efficiency because the drop rates on keys and parts scale so differently than XP and loot do, and even then you'll need a LOT of DPS for anything above MP8 to be worth considering.
Doing MP10 right now is nothing more than something to do to earn coolness points on youtube. Not that those don't have any value, monetizing your video can get you some euros/dollars too not just loot sold on RMAH, but you get the idea
And no. MP9 would still not be worthwhile. Even not compared to MP0, and especially not compared to some kind of low-ish MP level. HP of monsters simply scale way too fast while the MF and XP just don't scale fast enough. It's about time people realized that...
PS: I would much rather have sent this as a private message to Erlend, but I don't have 10 posts yet so I couldn't.
There are break points where it is no more efficient to do mp0 than doing mp1, which occur when you aren't taking any longer to kill things with more hp. With enough dps, its possible to go up several mp levels, because you will be 1shotting mobs (or killing them within the same time span) even if you did lower mp levels. This can make higher mp levels worth it.
If you're only farming for keys or organ pieces, its also possible that higher mp levels are more efficient, if the time saved by doing fewer runs is greater than the time saved by doing runs faster. If it takes you 4 minutes to do mp5 runs, and 5:00 to do mp10 runs, the mp10 runs would be more effective.
So while mp10 might not be the best for him, with that much dps, he could probably do mp 3 (or higher) without losing enough time to make it less valuable.