im thinking of putting an radiant emerald in both weapons and buy one glove with critical damage and one ring with more dps (switch the bullkathos)... any sugestions?
ps: sorry about the portuguese (força = strenght and the rest i think its understandable )
ps2: the images shows an amethyst socketed and the other weapon without sock, but in the stats photo im using 2 star emerald
ps3: the gloves is about 9crit chance, 32rs all, 130vit and 40str i guess
ps4: that bracer down below im not using in the stats but i can use if its necessary, and the belt i printscreened the wrong one... i have one with 200+str 80vit and 3ll
I've done some tests with Life Steal Recently, and I can tell you that it works way better on 2h Barbs or 1h with insane DPS. Try to switch your weapons for something with Crit Damage and Huge life on hit (there are some cheap weapons with 600-700 dps, crit damage and 800+ Life on hit)
With 1600 Life on hit and 22-23k dps Unbuffed you can do just fine with a WW build on Act III.
Crit damage is nice, but the most important thing here is crit chance, try to get 40%+ (gloves/helm/amulet/rings/bracer)
A bit more HP would also be nice.
im planning to get a new first hand with 700dps+ and critical damage on and also an empty sock
To get rid of LoH on a WW build, where Life steal becomes superior, your dps must be A lot higher than your current dps.
so thats what im aiming to do !
with 520-600% bonus critical damage and a little bit more dps i can do it? how much dps/critical and ll i'll have to reach to use that? i need to use the passive of life steal too?
im planning to get a new first hand with 700dps+ and critical damage on and also an empty sock
To get rid of LoH on a WW build, where Life steal becomes superior, your dps must be A lot higher than your current dps.
so thats what im aiming to do !
with 520-600% bonus critical damage and a little bit more dps i can do it? there is a minimum of dps and ll to use that? i need to use the passive of life steal too?
thx
You will as much as Possible, Probably 8%.
Life Steal has a hidden nerf of 80%. With 8%, you don't steal 8% per hit, but only 1.6%, that's why Life on Hit is way superior on Low/Mid/Good Gear range. Life Steal becomes better once you reach some super good gear, then those 1.6% would be superior.
So, What I'm trying to say is, forget life steal for now, and focus on life on hit.
You have 36k DPs, and 1.5 atacks per second. It means your swings hits for 27k.
Let's assume that you have 8% life steal, (1.6%), you will be leeching 432 per atack/skill (life steal works on AOE)
432 Isn't enough to survive, and with around 1000 life on hit you could do way better (easy to get 1500-1600 LoH).
So on your case, WW barb, you would need a LOT more dps for Life steal being better than Life on hit because your gear isn't that great. You would need 3.5x-4x more DPS for your 8% life steal being equal to 1500-1600 life on hit.
If you were a 2H barb, then it's a lot easier for life steal to be better than life on hit, because 2h hits are slower but the damage is super high.
im planning to get a new first hand with 700dps+ and critical damage on and also an empty sock
To get rid of LoH on a WW build, where Life steal becomes superior, your dps must be A lot higher than your current dps.
so thats what im aiming to do !
with 520-600% bonus critical damage and a little bit more dps i can do it? how much dps/critical and ll i'll have to reach to use that? i need to use the passive of life steal too?
thx
I think 600 crit damage is unreachable... and if you can get close it will be MEGA EXPENSIVE finding 100+sok weapons (unless they are 200dps)
The magic of the WW barb is the "bugged" (i believe its a bug, so it will be fixed sometime) time the tornadoes hit per second. So if you hit like 10 times a second LOH becames insanely good. So... WW build is with LOH, no LS, or if you wanna avoid the LoH get resists/armor and vit + %life to be tanky and dont need the healing.
im planning to get a new first hand with 700dps+ and critical damage on and also an empty sock
To get rid of LoH on a WW build, where Life steal becomes superior, your dps must be A lot higher than your current dps.
so thats what im aiming to do !
with 520-600% bonus critical damage and a little bit more dps i can do it? how much dps/critical and ll i'll have to reach to use that? i need to use the passive of life steal too?
thx
I think 600 crit damage is unreachable... and if you can get close it will be MEGA EXPENSIVE finding 100+sok weapons (unless they are 200dps)
The magic of the WW barb is the "bugged" (i believe its a bug, so it will be fixed sometime) time the tornadoes hit per second. So if you hit like 10 times a second LOH becames insanely good. So... WW build is with LOH, no LS, or if you wanna avoid the LoH get resists/armor and vit + %life to be tanky and dont need the healing.
LOH doesnt give the full amount either.... http://i.imgur.com/vDqWp.png
That's the amount of LoH you get from an ability, that's per hit per target. Whirlwind for example only gets 13% of LoH per hit. So to gain 900 health with 900 LoH from Whirlwind you basically -need- to hit 10 times. I dont call that "becoming insanely good"
Life Steal ignores that proc ratio, Every single of those 10 hits will give you 1.6% Life leech.
But most stories of LL being better than LoH were in the 60k+ range.
x being the amount of LL and dividing by 8 because of the LL-reduction in inferno we'd get:
30.000x / 8 = 390
--> x = 0.104
So this would mean 10.4% LL is worth 1.000 LoH at "only" 30k dps?
Since the equation is linear, this would mean that at 60k dps 5.2% LL would be worth 1k LoH... not that bad IMO, since 60k dps BUFFED (don't forget the 110% WW dmg) is reachable with medium/good not superior gear.
I don't want to say, that this makes LL inferior to LoH, but this puts it in a decent position (regarding your dps)... and 800dps+ 1sock (for crit dmg) weaps with 3-4% LL are MUCH cheaper than if they had 500-600 LoH...
Also don't forget that you can get LL on Barb-only Belts... You can easily get 9-10% with weapons and belt only, as a dual wielder.. (which, if the 13/26%-LoH-rule for WW is right, and my calc isnt wrong, should be as effective as ~1.9k LoH at 60k dps // ~1.3k LoH at 40k dps ...)
This in combination with some LoH jewelery could be a much more affordable task than high-LoH only builds...
(I'm just making this up atm... no proof or anything possible, since I'm at work... and also I'm pretty tired and everything I calc'ed may eventually be wrong...)
(//edit: Also this calculation completely forgets the LoH from Sprint - Run Like The Wind. It's effectiveness is reduced to 20% as of the chart, but it skyrockets your aps to somewhere not imaginable.. at least it feels like it.. same with devils anvil rune for hammer.. this will definitely give LL a hard time to compare to LoH... but nonetheless I think LL is a nice addition to LoH and a good alternative for weapons/belts...)
how much dps and ll i must have? with 36k dps plus 410% crit damage and almost 9 loh it isnt working very well!
i would stick to LoH, try to get around 1200-1500, your damage is under half of mine unbuffed, which in my opinion is not enough, LoH > LL, don't listen to what some people claim, i would rate 2.8-3 LL as around 350-400 LoH even with 70-80k DPS.
And remember, This changes in the case of WoTH though, so i suggest some LL, but don't give up LoH for it, get a belt with LL and stick to your LoH on the rest of your gear.
Most of the elite packs you fight are with WoTH, since you WW/sprint through the non elite packs you wont be able to have WoTH ready vs all packs, and you might have some survivability issues there.
With your current gear/stats you are act 2 ready, but not act 3 in my opinion, you need more resist, 750 at least in my opinion, and more armor.
Even measly 3% LL is a serious business when you blow packs with WOTB (Slaughter), but generally for average gear LoH is better. Especially for prolonged fights when you're out of cds or dealing with shielding affix pack.
I have about the same dps as you (more crit chance, less crit dmg though), worse resist (trying to build it up), but 1500 loh that makes a3 farming super easy. LL is very bad until you outgear everything so much that it doesn't matter.
One thing I forgot to think about when trying to decide to go for LL or LoH is that LoH works much better with Overpower - Crushing Advance. I am around 66k DPS with Battle Rage, and the difference between a 650 LoH weapon and a "3%" LL weapon on a molten/desecrate/plagued pack is huge. I'd stick with LoH buddy.
Sprint tornados generate a LOT of LOH procs. You need a lot of DPS to compensate for it with life leech. Instead of spending belt plus 2 weapon mods plus passive, just spend 1 weapon mod on 800+ life per hit and you can survive anything if you have 800~1000 resists and use the armor passive instead.
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im thinking of make a ww sprint barb with life leech instead of loh!
how much dps and ll i must have? with 36k dps plus 410% crit damage and almost 9 loh it isnt working very well!
anyone has one ll barb? can it works great like loh?
im posting my gear and stats... if anyone can help me
http://postimage.org/image/h4bm0k1r9/ - gear
http://postimage.org/image/v70xyufd3/ - stats
im thinking of putting an radiant emerald in both weapons and buy one glove with critical damage and one ring with more dps (switch the bullkathos)... any sugestions?
ps: sorry about the portuguese (força = strenght and the rest i think its understandable )
ps2: the images shows an amethyst socketed and the other weapon without sock, but in the stats photo im using 2 star emerald
ps3: the gloves is about 9crit chance, 32rs all, 130vit and 40str i guess
ps4: that bracer down below im not using in the stats but i can use if its necessary, and the belt i printscreened the wrong one... i have one with 200+str 80vit and 3ll
thx guys!
With 1600 Life on hit and 22-23k dps Unbuffed you can do just fine with a WW build on Act III.
Crit damage is nice, but the most important thing here is crit chance, try to get 40%+ (gloves/helm/amulet/rings/bracer)
A bit more HP would also be nice.
im planning to get a new first hand with 700dps+ and critical damage on and also an empty sock
so thats what im aiming to do !
with 520-600% bonus critical damage and a little bit more dps i can do it? how much dps/critical and ll i'll have to reach to use that? i need to use the passive of life steal too?
thx
Life Steal has a hidden nerf of 80%. With 8%, you don't steal 8% per hit, but only 1.6%, that's why Life on Hit is way superior on Low/Mid/Good Gear range. Life Steal becomes better once you reach some super good gear, then those 1.6% would be superior.
So, What I'm trying to say is, forget life steal for now, and focus on life on hit.
You have 36k DPs, and 1.5 atacks per second. It means your swings hits for 27k.
Let's assume that you have 8% life steal, (1.6%), you will be leeching 432 per atack/skill (life steal works on AOE)
432 Isn't enough to survive, and with around 1000 life on hit you could do way better (easy to get 1500-1600 LoH).
So on your case, WW barb, you would need a LOT more dps for Life steal being better than Life on hit because your gear isn't that great. You would need 3.5x-4x more DPS for your 8% life steal being equal to 1500-1600 life on hit.
If you were a 2H barb, then it's a lot easier for life steal to be better than life on hit, because 2h hits are slower but the damage is super high.
So sticky with Life on Hit for now.
The magic of the WW barb is the "bugged" (i believe its a bug, so it will be fixed sometime) time the tornadoes hit per second. So if you hit like 10 times a second LOH becames insanely good. So... WW build is with LOH, no LS, or if you wanna avoid the LoH get resists/armor and vit + %life to be tanky and dont need the healing.
Def + resist + DPS
se vc tem cerca de 800 AR, 7k de Armor e 60K ou mais de DPS, LL>LOH
se nao, a melhor opção continua sendo o LOH.
lembrando que barbarian pode alcançar até 12% de LL.
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LOH doesnt give the full amount either....
http://i.imgur.com/vDqWp.png
That's the amount of LoH you get from an ability, that's per hit per target. Whirlwind for example only gets 13% of LoH per hit. So to gain 900 health with 900 LoH from Whirlwind you basically -need- to hit 10 times. I dont call that "becoming insanely good"
Life Steal ignores that proc ratio, Every single of those 10 hits will give you 1.6% Life leech.
But most stories of LL being better than LoH were in the 60k+ range.
1.000 LoH -> 1.500 hps -> 195 (390 respectively) hps while WW'ing
x being the amount of LL and dividing by 8 because of the LL-reduction in inferno we'd get:
30.000x / 8 = 390
--> x = 0.104
So this would mean 10.4% LL is worth 1.000 LoH at "only" 30k dps?
Since the equation is linear, this would mean that at 60k dps 5.2% LL would be worth 1k LoH... not that bad IMO, since 60k dps BUFFED (don't forget the 110% WW dmg) is reachable with medium/good not superior gear.
I don't want to say, that this makes LL inferior to LoH, but this puts it in a decent position (regarding your dps)... and 800dps+ 1sock (for crit dmg) weaps with 3-4% LL are MUCH cheaper than if they had 500-600 LoH...
Also don't forget that you can get LL on Barb-only Belts... You can easily get 9-10% with weapons and belt only, as a dual wielder.. (which, if the 13/26%-LoH-rule for WW is right, and my calc isnt wrong, should be as effective as ~1.9k LoH at 60k dps // ~1.3k LoH at 40k dps ...)
This in combination with some LoH jewelery could be a much more affordable task than high-LoH only builds...
(I'm just making this up atm... no proof or anything possible, since I'm at work... and also I'm pretty tired and everything I calc'ed may eventually be wrong...)
(//edit: Also this calculation completely forgets the LoH from Sprint - Run Like The Wind. It's effectiveness is reduced to 20% as of the chart, but it skyrockets your aps to somewhere not imaginable.. at least it feels like it.. same with devils anvil rune for hammer.. this will definitely give LL a hard time to compare to LoH... but nonetheless I think LL is a nice addition to LoH and a good alternative for weapons/belts...)
And remember, This changes in the case of WoTH though, so i suggest some LL, but don't give up LoH for it, get a belt with LL and stick to your LoH on the rest of your gear.
Most of the elite packs you fight are with WoTH, since you WW/sprint through the non elite packs you wont be able to have WoTH ready vs all packs, and you might have some survivability issues there.
With your current gear/stats you are act 2 ready, but not act 3 in my opinion, you need more resist, 750 at least in my opinion, and more armor.