Act II - Inferno: Yes, another thread about it

  • #21
    Gz,

    1 upgrade you should look out for is a new shield in my opinion.

    Try to get a sacred shield (those big white shields). they block up to 4704 dmg and will be very good for your survivability. also the block chance on the shield can be better, try to have one with 20% or close to that.

    as for skills, you can also try Ignore pain. Leap into a pack, once the extra armor buff is gone pop ignore pain, then leap again
  • #22
    The real secret is get to act 3 already. Act 2 models and tunning is a joke, doing it as a melee adds just that much more 'dick in the ass"
  • #23
    Quote from Noctus78

    Try to get a sacred shield (those big white shields). they block up to 4704 dmg and will be very good for your survivability. also the block chance on the shield can be better, try to have one with 20% or close to that.


    Easy to say =P
    I couldn't find any shield with good stats selling for a reasonable price (I couldn't afford a shield costing 500k D:).

    Anyway, things worked last night - slow, but worked. I might try to keep searching AH for more armor/dps gear while I try to keep (or increase) my resistances.


    I think I will change the Furious Charge to Overpower, seens to be more consistent (ok, 5secs more downtime, but...)



    Thanks,
    V.
  • #24
    a 40k dps DH can solo a3 easily, a2 should be doable with you just slacking about =)

    1. Enchantress should be stacked with attack speed and intellect, thats crucial mine has 6k dps. with an 1100 weap.
    2. Always always always use leap with armor rune, its like a 3 second immortality.
    3. Swap smite for sidearm or maniac depending on your play style, the stun on 1mob isn't good enough for you - you want to be surrounded by mobs spamming revenge.
    4. GET A NEW SHIELD FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING! with 10% block and 1550 to 2k block absorb you might as well dual wield, I cannot stress this enough.
    5. I'd try to get some more life on hit (I know its expensive but well worth it!)
    6. with 1k more armor and more life on hit you should be able to kill enraged elites >:P (well not really but almost!)
    Quote from name="Bashiok" »

    End game solutions
    We recognize that the item hunt is just not enough for a long-term sustainable end-game. There are still tons of people playing every day and week, and playing a lot, but eventually they're going to run out of stuff to do (if they haven't already). Killing enemies and finding items is a lot of fun, and we think we have a lot of the systems surrounding that right, or at least on the right path with a few corrections and tweaks. But honestly Diablo III is not World of Warcraft.
  • #25
    Quote from Agro

    The real secret is get to act 3 already. Act 2 models and tunning is a joke, doing it as a melee adds just that much more 'dick in the ass"


    What are you on about?
    A3 mobs hit three times as hard as A2 ones.
    Quote from name="Bashiok" »

    End game solutions
    We recognize that the item hunt is just not enough for a long-term sustainable end-game. There are still tons of people playing every day and week, and playing a lot, but eventually they're going to run out of stuff to do (if they haven't already). Killing enemies and finding items is a lot of fun, and we think we have a lot of the systems surrounding that right, or at least on the right path with a few corrections and tweaks. But honestly Diablo III is not World of Warcraft.
  • #26
    Only thing you really need to change is the shield, it's a common misstake, people look at the stats and not the block ammount, block %.

    If you are low on cash, look for a blue shield of the "sacred shield" variety, the big white ones, they block a huge ammount, and can quite easily get up to 25-28% block chance.

    The big reason why those two stats are so hugely important, is that once you get your resistances and armour up to high levels (wich you already have for act2) the individual hits you take are quite low, so with so high block ammount and chance, those blocks basically nullify those attacks alltogether.

    A good shield + some +block items like helm of command and... there's a ring, cant remember the name, lantern something, and you can easily reach 40-50% block... add in dodge there and you are straight up avoiding most hits completely.
  • #27
    Quote from Gnarf

    Quote from captfrank

    I run act 2 on my barb with 13k dps, 600 resist to all self buff, 45k HP and 9k armor with the enchantress.
    Takes me 20-30 min to do a balial run with 5 stacks.

    i call bullshit on this, with 13k dps it takes me 12min just to kill Belial so i cant see how you can get 5 stacks and kill Belial in just 30min


    Takes me 5 min to kill balial
  • #28
    Quote from Rainbowdash

    2. Always always always use leap with armor rune, its like a 3 second immortality.

    - Already doing it :D


    3. Swap smite for sidearm or maniac depending on your play style, the stun on 1mob isn't good enough for you - you want to be surrounded by mobs spamming revenge.

    - I was thinking about it few hours ago. I'm going to change the rune to Maniac then test with Sidearm too, but thanks for the heads up!


    4. GET A NEW SHIELD FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING! with 10% block and 1550 to 2k block absorb you might as well dual wield, I cannot stress this enough.

    - Yes. I know, but like i said before: I couldn't find any great upgrade for less than 500k in AH last night - I think more people are going to use the RMAH now =/
    But this is my first priority :)


    5. I'd try to get some more life on hit (I know its expensive but well worth it!)

    - Yes! Another thing I was thinking this morning. Thanks again!

    *

    Quote from Rianabi

    The big reason why those two stats are so hugely important, is that once you get your resistances and armour up to high levels (wich you already have for act2) the individual hits you take are quite low, so with so high block ammount and chance, those blocks basically nullify those attacks alltogether.

    - I was thinking about it. Gonna check if I find a good Sacred Shield in AH...


    One thing:

    If I swap my shield to, let's say, one without ALL RESIST but with more Block%/Value (hopefully armor), is that ok to do Act II with less than 700 AllResist?


    Thanks again!


    V.
  • #29
    Yes you only need 600 ish
  • #30
    Just a heads up.

    Last night I got a new shield, with less armor (980ish), same amount of Str/Vit, 23% passive block rate + 8% Block Bonus and 1.8-3k (not sure) Block Value. I played both SOLO (using the same build as the last time) and COOP (with a Demon Hunter with 75k DPS Ö_o) and I/we got OWNED all the time. Just to try to explain: I couldn't kill (solo) a pack of Nightmare/Mortar/Jailer/Avenger...

    Like i said before I lost AllResistance (my lowest resistance now is 650ish) but now I have around 38% Block Chance when I changed my shield...

    The question is:
    What the heck happened?! ahahhahahha

    I did a better run with a worst Shield. Did Blizzard changed anything last night?

    Anyway, after spending a lot of gold in AH and getting (constantly) pwned in Act II (and losing a lot of gold in Repairs) now I feel very upset. I kinda lost my "joy" playing with my Barb =/


    Well, let's see what happens after 1.0.3 (but I don't think anything good is going to happen after RMAH).


    Thanks a lot folks.
    V.
  • #31
    Holy hell your damage and armor are god awful. lose some resistance and get some strength on items man.
  • #32
    Quote from Darkfrosty521

    Holy hell your damage and armor are god awful. lose some resistance and get some strength on items man.

    ?

    Are you talking about the 1st screenshot in this thread? If yes, I should say I changed almost every piece of my old gear.

    If you are talking about my new set (I posted a screenshot yesterday), I have no idea why my stats are "god awful". Do you mind to explain?


    Thanks,
    V.
  • #33
    Your stats are fine, except for one glaring mistake. You have no Life on Hit and/or Lifesteal.

    You need some type of staying power in fights, and from your latest screenshot, you're most likely relying on revenge/potion/health globes. My barb has ~500 resists with shout up, 8500 dps, 9k armor and 55k HP, 20% block @ 2700-3800 value, and ~900 LoH. I can tank and spank most champ/elite packs except firechains and invul minions. I still do die on some packs picking off 1-2 mobs with WotF, but I understand my current gear is not optimal.
  • #34
    I'm farming act 2 belial 5 stacks with this build: http://us.battle.net...XSVk!beV!cZaccc

    Some points:

    Frenzy with maniac rune: why sidearm if I have rend/revenge. Also it's increase the damage of rend so it will heal you for more.

    Rend with bloodlust rune: soooooooo overpower, you guys have to try it out. I rarely go out of fury so rend is almost 100% active on enemies, just love to take packs and packs of monsters with this. With revenge procs this heal is amazing.

    Leap/furious charge: a must. so much mobility and survival with those guys. just take it and try to master it uses.

    My stats:

    8779 damage

    900 resist all

    8888 armor

    21% block

    630 Life on Hit

    48k HP

    1,1k str and vitality.

    helm with star gem and 2 items with 5% hp

    OBS: Rend guys, REND!
  • #35
    Right now this is my Gear and Stats (War Cry + Enchantress):
    http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6682/venomwebbarbgear15jun.png




    And my build is:
    http://us.battle.net...XkVP!bVc!ccaccY


    I'm pretty much farming act I w/o any trouble at all - so, I still need to figure out how I can handle Act II w/o issues.

    I marked with a Red Square the gear I want to replace, but right now I couldn't find any REAL upgrade costing less than 1k D:

    Any ideas?


    PS: I didn't find *any* gear with LIFE ON HIT and good stats (Vit/Str) in the AH =/
  • #36
    Heyo everyone,

    Just wanted to say I've been following this thread because I'm in the same boat. Not sure how far you got in act 2 solo, but I was able to get up to where you have to get kule's blood and the other part of him. I'm actually only at about 500 res all, but my block rate is alot higher than yours. I'm using a Stalwart dreadshield of interception which is 1033 def 26% block rate with block amount 2794-3704 and all it has is 14% life. That plus helm of command gives me a woppin 34% block rate. Saves my arse lol.

    In terms of res, these guys are right. I have a monk friend who walks around with 1k res in act 1, and he still dies to elites once and a whlie. As I read on here:

    http://us.battle.net...opic/5149150485

    Which someone mentioned earlier, defense is a must. Though you still got about 1k more defense than me. Honestly at this point I'm thinking the only way to survive is to have insane hp. I seen a guy walking around with 60k hp, and still pulls off decent dps and high res. He makes it look like a walk in the park lol.

    I've tried pretty much very combo I can think of in regards to builds, but in the end I stick with the same:

    http://us.battle.net...SXkP!Vbc!accacZ

    The only diff is I switch out berserk for brawler, but I'm currently still doing jailer/butcher runs. I did try out ignore pain again, which I do love...but then I get in bad bad trouble with elites. Seems like having 2 skills to get out of danger saves my arse alot.

    I tried rend but honestly it didn't do crap for me. I keep hearing either that its good, or that it bugged. I'll have to check it out again.

    I'd post a screenie of my character too, but I'm on my other computer to post lol. Probably not better than what you have by any means. I can tell you i got 30k hp 500 res all, 7.6k def buffed and about 12k dps. I really need to get my vit and str to an even 1k, but hard to find gear like you stated. I'm thinking about trying to get a string of ears for the DR %, and see how that helps out.

    What really blows my mind is my weapon has 400 life on hit, and its still not enough to survive sometimes lol. I just started messing around with act 2 today, so I'll see what I can figure out. For sure the enemies hp is not the problem, its the crazy elemental dmg. It spikes so high compared to act 1, and I took quite fast notice of it. Wasps poison is just insane, and as is any elite shooting lasers out its arse. I take less dmg from the elite blocking the path to magda (gold mallet demon) then a cultist shooting a fireball lol.

    So i'm guessing to get more LoH, gotta find rings and ammy to stack with weapon, which is already socketed with amy. Anyone know a safe LoH # for act 2+?

    Just wanted to thank all you guys, cause I wouldn't have gotten as far as I did without reading all this. Now I just need to win the lottery (in game joke of course) and buy a stormshield lol.
  • #37
    Quote from Silvist

    Just wanted to say I've been following this thread because I'm in the same boat. Not sure how far you got in act 2 solo, but I was able to get up to where you have to get kule's blood and the other part of him.


    - My last attempt to run Act II failed: I tried a run with a DH friend but we couldn't reach Maghda. Last night I only ran Act I again to farm more gold and maybe get some upgrades - but, of course, didn't drop anything good for me =/ (I have the amazing luck to get STR/INT in all gears, Bow, Monk Helm, Wizard Hats, Staves etc).



    I'd post a screenie of my character too, but I'm on my other computer to post lol. Probably not better than what you have by any means. I can tell you i got 30k hp 500 res all, 7.6k def buffed and about 12k dps. I really need to get my vit and str to an even 1k, but hard to find gear like you stated. I'm thinking about trying to get a string of ears for the DR %, and see how that helps out.


    - 12k DPS? Nice. I'm trying to keep my health high (40k+) while I try to buy gear with more Str but still hard to find pieces that I can afford =/


    What really blows my mind is my weapon has 400 life on hit, and its still not enough to survive sometimes lol.


    - Nice! Do you know the DPS value of your weapon and how much you paid for it?

    I bought my dagger by mistake (missclick sucks) but at least it's not that bad (I had to buy the Gem with LoH, but it's only 105), i think i paid around 130-200k, not sure + 40-50k gem (OUCH) =/


    Just wanted to thank all you guys, cause I wouldn't have gotten as far as I did without reading all this. Now I just need to win the lottery (in game joke of course) and buy a stormshield lol.


    - Same here!!! ahahahhaha



    Thanks a lot!

    V.
  • #38
    Having alot of dps helps circumventing a lack of survivability. I do 5 stack zk/belial runs with a 2hander in 30ish mins with 8k armor, 650 res all, 44k hp, but i have 22k dps. On almost all champ packs i can clear half the pack or more with wrath of the zerker, the rest i can clean up without. Shielding + knockback are the hardest for me since i dont get enough uptime during zerker to kill a criticall mass.

    Also the belial and kulle fights are trivial if you "dont stand in the fire"

    Edit: Also this build does not work for me at all in act3 :)
  • #39
    Quote from venomweb

    Right now this is my Gear and Stats (War Cry + Enchantress):
    http://img403.images...rbgear15jun.png

    The only pieces i'd replace for now are:
    a) shield
    Get a sacred shield with an equivalent blockrate and +resist all, it should be 1M or less if you don't look for anything fancy. Block isn't that important after all for act 2 when you're lacking in the other - easier to upgrade - departments (damage, hitpoints, armor, life on hit).
    B) helmet
    Sorry but this helm sucks. All you get is 8% more block and some str/vita, i'd take a rare helmet with a socket and some res over it any day.

    I farm act 2 rather easily with 9k armor, 800-850 resists, 220 life on hit but 60k hitpoints (having a socket for your helmet is a HUGE bonus here).

    Weapon: i'd try getting a blue 9xx dps weapon with a socket, should beat yours any day. And spent some money on a 300 life on hit gem.
  • #40
    Heyo again everyone,

    First off once again thanks to everyone here, I was able to beat belial 3 man! Got as far as the catapults in act 3, before I had to stop lol. Like everyone has stated before both resistances, and defense are important. I didn't realize this until I noticed just how good leap with the rune that boosts your defense by 300% was. I still can die in act 2 if I'm not careful, but long as I have the right skill set its pretty hard for me to go down.

    Venom, I actually have a 703 dps dagger with a star amethyst for 300 life on hit. I'm being told that to survive act 3, you need about 1k life on hit. So i'm going to try and find something to fit that. The reason I went dagger, is in order to get my resistances up, I had to drop my attack speed gear. So with life on hit you still need a decent attack speed to build up with fury, in order to survive.

    From my own experience in game, and from what people said above. Block rate doesn't seem to mean jack lol. I lowered my block rate alot, because I found a shield with 80 vit, and 65 res all. It had a good block amount 2.7-3.5k or so. All I noticed when I had the same helm as venom aka helm of command, and a 27% block rate shield is that I blocked more. Did it lower the amount of damage I seemed to take any differently? No. In fact several times I blocked a power attack from say a berserker, and I would still get 1 shoted (at least until I upped my gear). I'm sure block has an advantage only when you have extremely high res, defense, and damage reduction gear..then i'm guessing it probably shines aka stormshield ;p

    One thing I did do in the belial fight is when berserk was up, I threw on a 2 hander. Once it wore off I switched back to sword/board. Hardest thing about that fight was for us to get the dodging explosion down lol. Now to figure out how to survive in act 3 >.<.

    Oh, and I tried to find a blue 9XX dps weapon...guess there hard to find these days lol. Well back to farming goblins ;p
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