So with the 400% nerf is full IK still good? or what are people running now? I seem to have fury issues with using the ik 2 hander to use 5xwastes 3 piece ik
Yea I really don't understand the nerfing to the ground it took. It seems to me it was only because Blizzard couldn't find a way to make people use the WW set for WW, because 500% IK was just better, so instead of buffing the WW set or nerfing IK to 300%, it's not just 100%. Which of course kills any solo builds with SS or HoTA.
Don't you think you guys might be over-reacting a little? I'm sorry, but IK *was* quite a ways over-tuned. When people are nearing 70 grifts changing nothing but 2 DH for 2 IK barbs on the ptr with little prep, refinement, or rift searching. Maybe 500% to 100% was a bit overkill, but still. It needed some nerfs.
lets say it was 200% dmg and they took it to 100%.....thats still a 100% nerf......this is 4x that....
Barb can't have 500% damage when Monks get 500% buff to spenders just for running around?
My question exactly. I hopped on my Sader for the first time on PTR, and I only played him during S1, so no ancient items. Threw on my rolands set quick, and with no optimization, I can shield bash for 500m and sweep attack for 100m, all at 150% attack speed. My barb? With ancient items and me trying to optimize it? I can HoTa smash for 75m. Slowly.
I dont want to wait for what...6 months again so that they might finally make barb playable in groups, this is just ridicolus.
I am playing 0dps sader over my fully geared barb, simply because i have to.
It is stupid that we are forced to play the way blizzards wants us to play and not use our own builds!
Even if we use what they expect us to use, we cannot play in groups after G40+, because we get kicked out simply because we are very inneficient at it.
We are glas canons that do shitty dps on top compared to other glas canons.
Yeah I'm well aware of the other nerfs which suck. I was just clarifying the issue with the percentage talk. A nerf from 500% to 100% is not really a 400% nerf to your damage.
Don't forget, they also nerfed the Double Dipping on battle rage: bloodshed which was also a big hit to our damage. IK needed a nerf and I think they overnerfed it, 200% damage would be a lot better and still only be half of what it originally was, less so with all the other nerfs.
I dont want to wait for what...6 months again so that they might finally make barb playable in groups, this is just ridicolus.
I am playing 0dps sader over my fully geared barb, simply because i have to.
It is stupid that we are forced to play the way blizzards wants us to play and not use our own builds!
Even if we use what they expect us to use, we cannot play in groups after G40+, because we get kicked out simply because we are very inneficient at it.
We are glas canons that do shitty dps on top compared to other glas canons.
I personally do not understand this, some of you people need to put the thinking cap on and challenge yourselves. Barbs have, are, and will always be a competitive class. Some of you need to cut the qq and learn to play.
Also worth noting, the nerf to IK was not a nerf, it was intended to make it a competitive set with Raekor while our new WW set shines at the top. Why make a new set if it simply is not going to be good? Reworking a set and having it not be the best is one thing, but adding brand new sets should mean that set gets some time to shine so that many people test it out and give appropriate feedback. Right now Barbs have 4 sets that can get them into the GR45 area, and they have 3 sets they can crack GR50-55 with, and with the new rings and other items, it is very likely the best of the best who actually understand our class find a way to reach GR65 or greater.
With the new rings (names are slipping my mind atm) I was able to clear GR45 using Leap Quake. I am sure others have gotten higher than that as well. I think people are underestimating the power of the rings and other legendary off slot affixes that have been added.
I used Schaefers for the lighting % as well as lightning % on my bracer, and used CoTA with the lightning coefficient that has them absorb 50% of damage dealt to me. This allowed me to dodge the need for unity.
I got higher with the WW set, as always it is going to be based on RNG and which items drop for you. If fully optimized, the new WW set will get you 4-5 GR levels higher.
So with the 400% nerf is full IK still good? or what are people running now? I seem to have fury issues with using the ik 2 hander to use 5xwastes 3 piece ik
it sucks donky shit now, finally IK 6 set was interesting but the 400% nerf made it completly useless 6set set.
IK will forever be a 4set bonus ppl aim for now
4IK +6 waste set
Yea I really don't understand the nerfing to the ground it took. It seems to me it was only because Blizzard couldn't find a way to make people use the WW set for WW, because 500% IK was just better, so instead of buffing the WW set or nerfing IK to 300%, it's not just 100%. Which of course kills any solo builds with SS or HoTA.
I just wish i could use the bul kathos weapons too =/ the fury regen was amazing
Don't you think you guys might be over-reacting a little? I'm sorry, but IK *was* quite a ways over-tuned. When people are nearing 70 grifts changing nothing but 2 DH for 2 IK barbs on the ptr with little prep, refinement, or rift searching. Maybe 500% to 100% was a bit overkill, but still. It needed some nerfs.
yeh but it was nerfed 400%.........
lets say it was 200% dmg and they took it to 100%.....thats still a 100% nerf......this is 4x that....
Barb can't have 500% damage when Monks get 500% buff to spenders just for running around?
My question exactly. I hopped on my Sader for the first time on PTR, and I only played him during S1, so no ancient items. Threw on my rolands set quick, and with no optimization, I can shield bash for 500m and sweep attack for 100m, all at 150% attack speed. My barb? With ancient items and me trying to optimize it? I can HoTa smash for 75m. Slowly.
Looks like I'm going sader.
I dont want to wait for what...6 months again so that they might finally make barb playable in groups, this is just ridicolus.
I am playing 0dps sader over my fully geared barb, simply because i have to.
It is stupid that we are forced to play the way blizzards wants us to play and not use our own builds!
Even if we use what they expect us to use, we cannot play in groups after G40+, because we get kicked out simply because we are very inneficient at it.
We are glas canons that do shitty dps on top compared to other glas canons.
That's not how percentages work.
A 500% increase is a 6x multiplier on your damage.
A 100% increase is a 2x multiplier on your damage.
So a nerf from 500% to 100% means you are doing 1/3 the damage (i.e. a 66% reduction in damage).
Yeah I'm well aware of the other nerfs which suck. I was just clarifying the issue with the percentage talk. A nerf from 500% to 100% is not really a 400% nerf to your damage.
Don't forget, they also nerfed the Double Dipping on battle rage: bloodshed which was also a big hit to our damage. IK needed a nerf and I think they overnerfed it, 200% damage would be a lot better and still only be half of what it originally was, less so with all the other nerfs.
still better than live version x2
I personally do not understand this, some of you people need to put the thinking cap on and challenge yourselves. Barbs have, are, and will always be a competitive class. Some of you need to cut the qq and learn to play.
Also worth noting, the nerf to IK was not a nerf, it was intended to make it a competitive set with Raekor while our new WW set shines at the top. Why make a new set if it simply is not going to be good? Reworking a set and having it not be the best is one thing, but adding brand new sets should mean that set gets some time to shine so that many people test it out and give appropriate feedback. Right now Barbs have 4 sets that can get them into the GR45 area, and they have 3 sets they can crack GR50-55 with, and with the new rings and other items, it is very likely the best of the best who actually understand our class find a way to reach GR65 or greater.
With the new rings (names are slipping my mind atm) I was able to clear GR45 using Leap Quake. I am sure others have gotten higher than that as well. I think people are underestimating the power of the rings and other legendary off slot affixes that have been added.
I used Schaefers for the lighting % as well as lightning % on my bracer, and used CoTA with the lightning coefficient that has them absorb 50% of damage dealt to me. This allowed me to dodge the need for unity.
raekor still the only set for higher rifts.
I got higher with the WW set, as always it is going to be based on RNG and which items drop for you. If fully optimized, the new WW set will get you 4-5 GR levels higher.
How is IK useless when people are still doing Higher than Rift 50 with it? Hardly anyone even did 50 in S2 Barbarian Solo.