Excluding the chain from the Maximus's slave, total DPS against elites would be as follows:
Furnace = 5677.05 (due to 58% elite bonus) VS Ancient Maximus = 4778.5 (obviously fire only for maximus). Then you have to minus off the .15 AS boost for the maximus which is redundant and artificially inflates the DPS of the maximus if used for FC. So its DPS would be even less again for FC. However, the maximus does have another 378 str, but this isnt enough to get it even close to the Furnace, even if you roll up the % damage from 7 to 10%.
Also, Furnace opens up the possibility of using physical which will give you a "double dip" of bloodshed, yet another reason that Furnace would be better.
In summary, Furnace good, ancient maximus not as good.
Just to be clear, CC123Aus, about the comments on Maximus dps being "fire only" you mean that %dmg to fire affects the fire chain right? AFAIK the damage range of the weapon being fire doesn't have any relevance when considering builds, since the runes themselves dictate the damage type and they "overwrite" the weapon damage type and thus you can go with physical build using weapon with avg damage being fire.
Just to be clear, CC123Aus, about the comments on Maximus dps being "fire only" you mean that %dmg to fire affects the fire chain right? AFAIK the damage range of the weapon being fire doesn't have any relevance when considering builds, since the runes themselves dictate the damage type and they "overwrite" the weapon damage type and thus you can go with physical build using weapon with avg damage being fire.
IRT the fire only question, not sure about the chain but I imagine the answer is yes. Im also refering to the fire % elemental bonus. Not the element of the weapon DPS its self, in which your correct, the rune picks the element.
F.Y.I the reason our weapons still roll with an element for the DPS is a D3 vanilla PTR (before the game lauched) legacy. In a dev interview they stated your weapon was going to decide the element, but they thought this would add an unnecessary extra level of RNG so they decided to come up with the current rune system but didnt remove the old one fully. Just unplugged its rune effect and not the animation if that makes sense.
Excluding the chain from the Maximus's slave, total DPS against elites would be as follows:
Furnace = 5677.05 (due to 58% elite bonus) VS Ancient Maximus = 4778.5 (obviously fire only for maximus). Then you have to minus off the .15 AS boost for the maximus which is redundant and artificially inflates the DPS of the maximus if used for FC. So its DPS would be even less again for FC. However, the maximus does have another 378 str, but this isnt enough to get it even close to the Furnace, even if you roll up the % damage from 7 to 10%.
Also, Furnace opens up the possibility of using physical which will give you a "double dip" of bloodshed, yet another reason that Furnace would be better.
In summary, Furnace good, ancient maximus not as good.
Cheers
CC123
Why exclude the chain? It's a decently big part of what makes Maximus good for Barbs, who struggle with single target damage. Pretty sure that the Maximus with Frenzy down almost anything faster then the Furnace.
Furnace is probably the better choice overall. And as a bonus you're not forced into fire.
I excluded the chain as the slave tends to die very quickly in higher Grifts which makes the feature almost useless. The two common solutions to STD are COTA (which performs better with a Furnace than Maximus with a slave that dies easily in higher Grifts) and/or party with DHs/ZDPS sader or WD. Frenzy doesnt factor in at all if your attempting Grift 43 plus as its DPS is too low (ancients do twice the damage each or more) and you get one shot too easily by RGs as your standing on their feet.
But this is off topic. For more info on what gets you to Grift 45 plus, check the D3 barb forums. Look for posts from Baconinja, Samir, Tao, Shadow, Page etc who are hitting the upper 40s solo or 50s in groups.
I got both of these recently and just picked up a Gift. I'm wondering whats the verdict on which of these would be the better choice to put the gift on and use for fire raekor's. http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/crypticus-1286/Crypticus/57524751
Excluding the chain from the Maximus's slave, total DPS against elites would be as follows:
Furnace = 5677.05 (due to 58% elite bonus) VS Ancient Maximus = 4778.5 (obviously fire only for maximus). Then you have to minus off the .15 AS boost for the maximus which is redundant and artificially inflates the DPS of the maximus if used for FC. So its DPS would be even less again for FC. However, the maximus does have another 378 str, but this isnt enough to get it even close to the Furnace, even if you roll up the % damage from 7 to 10%.
Also, Furnace opens up the possibility of using physical which will give you a "double dip" of bloodshed, yet another reason that Furnace would be better.
In summary, Furnace good, ancient maximus not as good.
Cheers
CC123
Just to be clear, CC123Aus, about the comments on Maximus dps being "fire only" you mean that %dmg to fire affects the fire chain right? AFAIK the damage range of the weapon being fire doesn't have any relevance when considering builds, since the runes themselves dictate the damage type and they "overwrite" the weapon damage type and thus you can go with physical build using weapon with avg damage being fire.
IRT the fire only question, not sure about the chain but I imagine the answer is yes. Im also refering to the fire % elemental bonus. Not the element of the weapon DPS its self, in which your correct, the rune picks the element.
F.Y.I the reason our weapons still roll with an element for the DPS is a D3 vanilla PTR (before the game lauched) legacy. In a dev interview they stated your weapon was going to decide the element, but they thought this would add an unnecessary extra level of RNG so they decided to come up with the current rune system but didnt remove the old one fully. Just unplugged its rune effect and not the animation if that makes sense.
Cheers
CC123
I excluded the chain as the slave tends to die very quickly in higher Grifts which makes the feature almost useless. The two common solutions to STD are COTA (which performs better with a Furnace than Maximus with a slave that dies easily in higher Grifts) and/or party with DHs/ZDPS sader or WD. Frenzy doesnt factor in at all if your attempting Grift 43 plus as its DPS is too low (ancients do twice the damage each or more) and you get one shot too easily by RGs as your standing on their feet.
But this is off topic. For more info on what gets you to Grift 45 plus, check the D3 barb forums. Look for posts from Baconinja, Samir, Tao, Shadow, Page etc who are hitting the upper 40s solo or 50s in groups.