Is there a backstory for Sigon, Howltusk, or the Immortal Kings?
There should be, right? If they go to the trouble of making legendary items or sets named after heroes there should be stories behind them in my opinion. Do you know of any? Are any of them mentioned in the books?
There isn't any official backstory about these items. Some such as Tal Rasha, Bul Kathos, Griswold, Natalya and Trang Oul are based on characters from the game and the books but that's it.
I heard this suggestion before that Cain could give you the backstory of items in D3, so if any of them is returning we might hear something someday.
Bul Kathos is once referred to as the, or rather a, immortal king.
But more often than not he is called the Barbarian King, or King of the Barbarians.
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Yet Bul-Kathos used a pair of swords, the 2 handed one and the tribal guardian.
So maybe the Immortal Kings are either a group of uber barbarians with no specific weapon type OR there was just one Immortal King and he used special armor and a huge maul.
I would really like to see whether Sigon has a backstory, his armor is very unique for a Barbarian.
Of course I assume he is a barbarian because he uses horned helmets, which I assume paladins wouldnt consider proper in the Diablo World.
Ironically in the real world German, Celtic, and Danish Knights in particular used armor and weapons more similar to fully equipped Diablo 2 Barbs than Diablo 2 Paladins. They had horned great helms(EXACTLY like the great helms in DIablo 2) and double bladed axes, or giant axes, and not to mention the gigantic 2-handed swords. I guess that shouldnt be surprising since Those nations transitioned almost directly from barbarian settlers to Knights.
Ill tell you one thing though, The Immortal-Kings would be an awesome name for a metal band!
Also, Griswold's Legacy, when did he make it? Is it supposed to be magical because when his body was corrupted his soul fled to empower his final and greatest armor?
I think the concept of Paladins in the Diablo world are more based on just the stereotypical "knight in shining armor" type deal, which i think is more of an English knight. I'm not an expert though, so, well...
On a side note, I always thought it was lame that Tal Rasha's set is all heavy armor-type stuff, when I don't think that he wore heavy stuff like that, being a mage. Not sure. Oh well.
Could Sigon have been something between a Paladin and a Barbarian? Maybe the Barbarian Equivalent of a Paladin? The major barb sets of course emphasize abilities that kill undead and demons, and the armor is pretty heavy.
In a way there isnt all that much difference between an Immortal King Barbarian and an Uber Paladin. Heavy armor, big close combat weapons, anti demon or anti-undead stuff, auras and warcries, the duty to guard the world against demons.
hmm IMO thats staring to sound more and more logical, Sigon being a Barbarian equivalent of a paladin, I actually just posted a speculated story of sigons origin in the lore section of the forum.
I will DEFINITELY check out the sin war books if they have stuff about bul-kathos.
Now The Immortal King Armor, do you think there was a group called the Immortal Kings or just one really legendary Barbarian known as the Immortal king?(I ruled out it being bul-kathos cuz he so famously used swords)
The difference between a Barbarian and a Paladin is their religion. A Paladin is heavily devoted to the Light, the High Heavens, etc. Barbarians hold their beliefs in the natural world, like the Natural Magicks, and stuff like that. The Druids then took the Natural Magic to an extreme and became a new society.
Hmm, that does make sense. Now that I looked over it again, Sigon's armor seems to have a particular bonus for every class, making who he was even more ambiguous.
There was also that one armor set, orphan's call or something that has one item in it named for a different person. That has GOT to have an interesting story behind it!
Yeah, I totally agree, I remember seeing a level 76 barb get beaten in hand to hand combat by a sorc who had rediculous rune equipment.
Runes dont add visual awesomeness like set items do(except for the axe that turns u into a bear, that is pretty cool)
I created a Character just so he could be a Sigon and called him SigonTheShining, it feels so right when you actually have an appropriate name for your character, and you can create their story
Making a real Character such as one based off of a set is the true essence or an rpg(IMO)
while the opposite is having a level 99 Amazon whose name is 78Hamm_Burger123 or a level 23 Nercromancer named Chips_n_Salsa2G0 who has all rune equipment.
Its like there are players who go online to pwn nubs n get free items
and there are people who play to truly experience the game
So if there was one legendary set or item u think needs a story, what would it be?
So if there was one legendary set or item u think needs a story, what would it be?
I'd say Sigon's just because it's so widely used.
Don't know if you know about this yet, just skimmed the thread but The Grandfather and Doombringer both have a history kind of.
...the two combatants slowly circled each other in the middle of a gigantic mob of shouting, fur clad giants, every muscle in their body swollen to impossible size, staring at each other with hatred burning fierily in their eyes. This was a battle of life and death, deciding which of these two warriors would have the honor of commanding the barbaric tribes of the north into battle. The current champion, battlescared from countless victorious encounters, was wielding the famed relics of the tribes, the legendary twin swords called the Children of Bul Kathos. Facing him off was a younger challenger, an unknown warrior that had acquired a great treasure while adventuring across the lands of Sanctuary. This treasure was the The Grandfather and Doombringer, two mythical swords imbued with powerful magiks. The legends said that these swords were lost forever in a titanic battle of good and evil, where the champions of both sides annihilated themselves and their armies by crossing these blades in mortal combat. The veteran tensed, ready to jump forward while the younger warrior seeing this lifted the twin swords in front of him, crossing their blades. An explosion of magical sparks and light blinded the surrounding crowd as the combatants clashed their blades, screaming and howling and chanting barbaric battle hymns.
Personally I'm a fan of all uniques having a history. I think if they went through the trouble of putting them on arreat summit they could of at least added a small history to them. Lore is one of my favorite things to read, especially item lore.
Bloodmoon was my favorite unique, it's a shame it doesn't have a back story. I even took that name as a surname for my character in a few games. Daemaro Bloodmoon.
Yet Bul-Kathos used a pair of swords, the 2 handed one and the tribal guardian.
I never truly said the set was named after Bul Kathos. I just said he is once referred to as an immortal king. Also, as far as I can recall, he is the only king in regards to the barbarians.
The name of the set is Immortal King's. That applies to one person. Immortal Kings' would refer to more than one. Thus the entire set must of, at one point, belonged to a single person. I am not saying beyond any doubt that it is Bul Kathos, but he is the only immortal king and a barbarian I know of.
Leoric is immortal, well psuedo-immortal. He is not living yet neither is he dead.
Sigon is probably a barbarian of some renown, the name sigon sounds similar to the very barbarian-esque names such as sigemund or sigurd (both of whom are hireable)
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
Sigon is probably a barbarian of some renown, the name sigon sounds similar to the very barbarian-esque names such as sigemund or sigurd (both of whom are hireable)
Sigon has always reminded me of a paladin name because it's similar to Sigil. Not that Sigil is very paladinesque, just always reminded me.
Maybe we can tell who wore Sigon's set by looking at all the stats on it.
Hmm it does seem more barbarian than paladin in my opinion... Interesting.
Maybe Sigon was neither a Barbarian or a Paladin but a Warrior from Diablo 1?
Maybe Bul'Kathos had the swords AND the Immortal King set. If he was King of the Barbarians it could make sense for him to know how to use a maul AND both swords right?
Sanders folly was always interesting to me, it would be funny if he was an all powerfull boss at one point since its such a low level set that looks so funny.
Sigon has always reminded me of a paladin name because it's similar to Sigil. Not that Sigil is very paladinesque, just always reminded me.
Sigil is Paladin esque if you play DnD, BGII specifically. there are several Knights of Sigil in that game.
Maybe Bul'Kathos had the swords AND the Immortal King set. If he was King of the Barbarians it could make sense for him to know how to use a maul AND both swords right?
All Barbarians know who to use swords. Certain tribes specialise in a specific, non sword weapon, Mauls are a class of mace. The tribe that specialises in maces, is the Bear Tribe.
If Bul Kathos used two swords at the same time (which a barbarian can easily do) he can not use the Maul that forms part of the set at the same time. He would have to put it on his other weapons slot (W) to be able to use it.
Still there is no direct evidence that Bul Kathos is the Immortal King. He is just said to be an immortal king.
Notice the lack of capitalization. Immortal King refers to a specific person, immortal king is a more generalised view or description. this is generally helped by the words 'a' and 'the' the Immortal King is very specific whereas a immortal king is vague.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
Bul-Kathos taught the barbs the secret of crafting swords from steel, right? What do you use to pound steel on an anvil? A big friggin hammer! Maybe Bul-Kathos was a great metalsmith and used the famous IK maul to forge the first two swords: The Children of Bul-Kathos!
So again its like he wore the armor, and wearing the armor, used the giant IK Maul of his to forge the first swords. Like he was the father of swords making the Name Bul-Katho's Children fit perfectly!
And as another random idea, maybe he imbued the armor he wore with his spirit so that every Barb who wore it sort of carried on the legacy of the Immortal King. Kind of like the Armor of Bartuc the Bloody in the Diablo novel Legacy of Blood. Notice the main piece of the armor is called "the Immortal King's SOUL CAGE"
Think Im on to something?
And Sigon continues to be confusing, the armor has bonuses for every class, the boots having a bonus for only Assasins, and thre rest of the armor not rlly being assasin related at all.
The other sets were used a any class kind and not just one. Just because there are only barbs, pallies, necs, amazons, sorcs, druids, and assassins in the game doesnt mean everyone in sanctuary has to be one of those. Its kinda silly in retrospect to think that sigon HAS to be a pally or a barb, he could of just been a failed hero or a good one, He could of been a dragqueen or some other thing.
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There should be, right? If they go to the trouble of making legendary items or sets named after heroes there should be stories behind them in my opinion. Do you know of any? Are any of them mentioned in the books?
I heard this suggestion before that Cain could give you the backstory of items in D3, so if any of them is returning we might hear something someday.
But more often than not he is called the Barbarian King, or King of the Barbarians.
So maybe the Immortal Kings are either a group of uber barbarians with no specific weapon type OR there was just one Immortal King and he used special armor and a huge maul.
I would really like to see whether Sigon has a backstory, his armor is very unique for a Barbarian.
Of course I assume he is a barbarian because he uses horned helmets, which I assume paladins wouldnt consider proper in the Diablo World.
Ironically in the real world German, Celtic, and Danish Knights in particular used armor and weapons more similar to fully equipped Diablo 2 Barbs than Diablo 2 Paladins. They had horned great helms(EXACTLY like the great helms in DIablo 2) and double bladed axes, or giant axes, and not to mention the gigantic 2-handed swords. I guess that shouldnt be surprising since Those nations transitioned almost directly from barbarian settlers to Knights.
Ill tell you one thing though, The Immortal-Kings would be an awesome name for a metal band!
Also, Griswold's Legacy, when did he make it? Is it supposed to be magical because when his body was corrupted his soul fled to empower his final and greatest armor?
On a side note, I always thought it was lame that Tal Rasha's set is all heavy armor-type stuff, when I don't think that he wore heavy stuff like that, being a mage. Not sure. Oh well.
Hmm. I always thought he was a paladin cause he used a shield. Guess there is a big need for more info on this one.
In a way there isnt all that much difference between an Immortal King Barbarian and an Uber Paladin. Heavy armor, big close combat weapons, anti demon or anti-undead stuff, auras and warcries, the duty to guard the world against demons.
hmm IMO thats staring to sound more and more logical, Sigon being a Barbarian equivalent of a paladin, I actually just posted a speculated story of sigons origin in the lore section of the forum.
I will DEFINITELY check out the sin war books if they have stuff about bul-kathos.
Now The Immortal King Armor, do you think there was a group called the Immortal Kings or just one really legendary Barbarian known as the Immortal king?(I ruled out it being bul-kathos cuz he so famously used swords)
There was also that one armor set, orphan's call or something that has one item in it named for a different person. That has GOT to have an interesting story behind it!
Runes dont add visual awesomeness like set items do(except for the axe that turns u into a bear, that is pretty cool)
I created a Character just so he could be a Sigon and called him SigonTheShining, it feels so right when you actually have an appropriate name for your character, and you can create their story
Making a real Character such as one based off of a set is the true essence or an rpg(IMO)
while the opposite is having a level 99 Amazon whose name is 78Hamm_Burger123 or a level 23 Nercromancer named Chips_n_Salsa2G0 who has all rune equipment.
Its like there are players who go online to pwn nubs n get free items
and there are people who play to truly experience the game
So if there was one legendary set or item u think needs a story, what would it be?
I'd say Sigon's just because it's so widely used.
Don't know if you know about this yet, just skimmed the thread but The Grandfather and Doombringer both have a history kind of.
Personally I'm a fan of all uniques having a history. I think if they went through the trouble of putting them on arreat summit they could of at least added a small history to them. Lore is one of my favorite things to read, especially item lore.
Bloodmoon was my favorite unique, it's a shame it doesn't have a back story. I even took that name as a surname for my character in a few games. Daemaro Bloodmoon.
I never truly said the set was named after Bul Kathos. I just said he is once referred to as an immortal king. Also, as far as I can recall, he is the only king in regards to the barbarians.
The name of the set is Immortal King's. That applies to one person. Immortal Kings' would refer to more than one. Thus the entire set must of, at one point, belonged to a single person. I am not saying beyond any doubt that it is Bul Kathos, but he is the only immortal king and a barbarian I know of.
Leoric is immortal, well psuedo-immortal. He is not living yet neither is he dead.
Sigon is probably a barbarian of some renown, the name sigon sounds similar to the very barbarian-esque names such as sigemund or sigurd (both of whom are hireable)
Sigon has always reminded me of a paladin name because it's similar to Sigil. Not that Sigil is very paladinesque, just always reminded me.
Maybe we can tell who wore Sigon's set by looking at all the stats on it.
Hmm it does seem more barbarian than paladin in my opinion... Interesting.
Maybe Sigon was neither a Barbarian or a Paladin but a Warrior from Diablo 1?
Maybe Bul'Kathos had the swords AND the Immortal King set. If he was King of the Barbarians it could make sense for him to know how to use a maul AND both swords right?
Sigil is Paladin esque if you play DnD, BGII specifically. there are several Knights of Sigil in that game.
All Barbarians know who to use swords. Certain tribes specialise in a specific, non sword weapon, Mauls are a class of mace. The tribe that specialises in maces, is the Bear Tribe.
If Bul Kathos used two swords at the same time (which a barbarian can easily do) he can not use the Maul that forms part of the set at the same time. He would have to put it on his other weapons slot (W) to be able to use it.
Still there is no direct evidence that Bul Kathos is the Immortal King. He is just said to be an immortal king.
Notice the lack of capitalization. Immortal King refers to a specific person, immortal king is a more generalised view or description. this is generally helped by the words 'a' and 'the' the Immortal King is very specific whereas a immortal king is vague.
THAT'S probably why it seems paladinesque to me.
Well he's the only Immortal King of the barbarians that I can think of.
By the way, who was Bul'Kathos married to? He has a wedding band. :confused:
Bul-Kathos taught the barbs the secret of crafting swords from steel, right? What do you use to pound steel on an anvil? A big friggin hammer! Maybe Bul-Kathos was a great metalsmith and used the famous IK maul to forge the first two swords: The Children of Bul-Kathos!
So again its like he wore the armor, and wearing the armor, used the giant IK Maul of his to forge the first swords. Like he was the father of swords making the Name Bul-Katho's Children fit perfectly!
And as another random idea, maybe he imbued the armor he wore with his spirit so that every Barb who wore it sort of carried on the legacy of the Immortal King. Kind of like the Armor of Bartuc the Bloody in the Diablo novel Legacy of Blood. Notice the main piece of the armor is called "the Immortal King's SOUL CAGE"
Think Im on to something?
And Sigon continues to be confusing, the armor has bonuses for every class, the boots having a bonus for only Assasins, and thre rest of the armor not rlly being assasin related at all.
trang=nec
tal=sorc
gris=pally
ik=barb
nataly=assassin
aldurs=druids
ma'vinas=amazon
The other sets were used a any class kind and not just one. Just because there are only barbs, pallies, necs, amazons, sorcs, druids, and assassins in the game doesnt mean everyone in sanctuary has to be one of those. Its kinda silly in retrospect to think that sigon HAS to be a pally or a barb, he could of just been a failed hero or a good one, He could of been a dragqueen or some other thing.
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