if the micro transactions are cosmetic and these cosmetics are NOT gear skins, a good example being: a "back piece" set of wings like in guild wars 2 OR aura effects OR better mount skins
then I would be happy camper
Why would them being “gear skins” matter? Because you don’t want someone to look ‘cooler’ than you in the same gear? lol
I'm a little confused by the implications of d4 not being FTP, this implies that there is some sort of subscription fee after purchasing the game. When was this mentioned?
I'm a little confused by the implications of d4 not being FTP, this implies that there is some sort of subscription fee after purchasing the game. When was this mentioned?
Why would you assume it implies that ? They stated that it will be a one time purchase to play and expansions , with microtransactions in between.
MTX are a necessary evil. If they're cosmetic only.
What I don't like about MTX is that I'd rather all that cool art / pets just be in the game as something very rare to find. However since they obviously need to continually make money to support the game, then sure do pets / mounts.
Still an evil sadly. Every ounce of work that goes into MTX is work that isn't going into the gameplay, new items, etc.
Mtx and frequent updates means making people play the game over and over in order to give a reason to keep buying cosmetics and stuff.
Easiest way to do that is power creep. Moar difficulty ,moar levels and powerful gear. Moar numbers , numbers ,numbers. Attack, defense, crit and main stat.
If you like that ,then maybe I'm crazy, but that's not arpg.
A good game has some finality to it.
Why not go the route of wow , call it world of diablo and be done with it ?
Trying to reconcile so many aspects from different genres will result in a mess again. You tried with D3 and failed miserably.
Either go Mtx and free to play game or one time purchase and expansions with support along the way.
Why repeat the same mistakes? Why do they think this time will be different. People will rage again after launch.
When you ask money for a game that will have content locked behind MTX you only will enrage the people. Because they paid for a game that will never be complete, never have all content to enjoy.
It's freaking retarded.
Either that or blizz knows that it can rely on the flock of sheeps that will jump on the scam.
I'm a little confused by the implications of d4 not being FTP, this implies that there is some sort of subscription fee after purchasing the game. When was this mentioned?
Why would you assume it implies that ? They stated that it will be a one time purchase to play and expansions , with microtransactions in between.
It was purely based on comments earlier in this thread stating the game "should be FTP" or that it could "go FTP and still be successful" and this kind of implies that it ISN'T going to be FTP, lmao, that's where my confusion came from, because I assumed it would be a one time purchase with expansions as you stated, do people think microtransactions make a game NOT FTP?
I personally, have no issue with microtransactions if they remain cosmetic and relatively cheap, to give you a point of reference DOTA 2 is ideal, unless it's unobtainable the items are usually quite cheap.
That's your argument? That you can't keep your dick wallet in your pants? Jeez.. It's either MTX or no updates and game slowly dying. With MTX (a steady stream of money is a huge incentive to keep updating the game and add content ie PoE) and updates, a game can only grow and become better and better.
And btw, this isn't an experiment, Blizz already established it with SCII. Base game that costs money + cosmetic MTX. No problem.
Moreover, I'll say this, don't go cheap on MTX. Have $5 items, have $20 items, have $100 items. There are people who will buy a $100 hat, like this guy here. Why shouldn't he be allowed to spend money to fund development and make the game better for the ENTIRE community? Let him! Shiet, do $500 too, what the heck!!
MTX are a necessary evil. If they're cosmetic only.
What I don't like about MTX is that I'd rather all that cool art / pets just be in the game as something very rare to find. However since they obviously need to continually make money to support the game, then sure do pets / mounts.
In POE stash tabs arent cosmetic, they are necessary at one point though.
PoE MTX also costs a lot, but imo thats fine because of F2P and they deliver a lot of content (though some POE patches are pretty bad; it is always about quality).
Micro transactions are just a part of gaming now. Plain and simple. There’s no point in arguing it away because it’s how companies make a lot of continued income from the games they release, and it also gives them the income to continue to add new content to a game instead of just abandoning it to work on the next version or another game entirely.
As long as it’s only cosmetic and people can’t buy ‘power’, no one should have a problem with it, because it doesn’t effect your gameplay at all.
Microtransactions can go a long way with only a small offering of services/cosmetics. WoW makes a huge chunk of revenue off microtransactions and they basically just put two pets and a mount out per year for it. They made like $6 mil just off a store toy and those funds went to support...I want to say the arena championship winnings? Maybe MDI.
It's a big return for really limited stress on the team for WoW, at least. The mount is about a month of art work for one artist and the pets probably less. They get money, the rest of the team can focus on developing the actual game and future content. The payment gating for things like race changes and server changes also has the added benefit of slowing down knee-jerk reactions to nerfs/buffs and the like.
These are only going to be cosmetic or similar. I can't think of a current Blizzard game where someone pays for gear or some endgame-ruining benefit.
My only hope is that any cosmetics won't be too crazy, over-the-top, but honestly as it plays out in WoW most players get these things and don't use them much after the initial purchase. My assumption was just because everyone knew they were purchased, not won from gameplay, so that kind of watered down the prestige of using them.
Why would them being “gear skins” matter? Because you don’t want someone to look ‘cooler’ than you in the same gear? lol
I'm a little confused by the implications of d4 not being FTP, this implies that there is some sort of subscription fee after purchasing the game. When was this mentioned?
Why would you assume it implies that ? They stated that it will be a one time purchase to play and expansions , with microtransactions in between.
Still an evil sadly. Every ounce of work that goes into MTX is work that isn't going into the gameplay, new items, etc.
Mtx and frequent updates means making people play the game over and over in order to give a reason to keep buying cosmetics and stuff.
Easiest way to do that is power creep. Moar difficulty ,moar levels and powerful gear. Moar numbers , numbers ,numbers. Attack, defense, crit and main stat.
If you like that ,then maybe I'm crazy, but that's not arpg.
A good game has some finality to it.
Why not go the route of wow , call it world of diablo and be done with it ?
Trying to reconcile so many aspects from different genres will result in a mess again. You tried with D3 and failed miserably.
Either go Mtx and free to play game or one time purchase and expansions with support along the way.
Why repeat the same mistakes? Why do they think this time will be different. People will rage again after launch.
When you ask money for a game that will have content locked behind MTX you only will enrage the people. Because they paid for a game that will never be complete, never have all content to enjoy.
It's freaking retarded.
Either that or blizz knows that it can rely on the flock of sheeps that will jump on the scam.
It was purely based on comments earlier in this thread stating the game "should be FTP" or that it could "go FTP and still be successful" and this kind of implies that it ISN'T going to be FTP, lmao, that's where my confusion came from, because I assumed it would be a one time purchase with expansions as you stated, do people think microtransactions make a game NOT FTP?
I personally, have no issue with microtransactions if they remain cosmetic and relatively cheap, to give you a point of reference DOTA 2 is ideal, unless it's unobtainable the items are usually quite cheap.
That's your argument? That you can't keep your
dickwallet in your pants? Jeez.. It's either MTX or no updates and game slowly dying. With MTX (a steady stream of money is a huge incentive to keep updating the game and add content ie PoE) and updates, a game can only grow and become better and better.And btw, this isn't an experiment, Blizz already established it with SCII. Base game that costs money + cosmetic MTX. No problem.
Moreover, I'll say this, don't go cheap on MTX. Have $5 items, have $20 items, have $100 items. There are people who will buy a $100 hat, like this guy here. Why shouldn't he be allowed to spend money to fund development and make the game better for the ENTIRE community? Let him! Shiet, do $500 too, what the heck!!
In POE stash tabs arent cosmetic, they are necessary at one point though.
PoE MTX also costs a lot, but imo thats fine because of F2P and they deliver a lot of content (though some POE patches are pretty bad; it is always about quality).
Micro transactions are just a part of gaming now. Plain and simple. There’s no point in arguing it away because it’s how companies make a lot of continued income from the games they release, and it also gives them the income to continue to add new content to a game instead of just abandoning it to work on the next version or another game entirely.
As long as it’s only cosmetic and people can’t buy ‘power’, no one should have a problem with it, because it doesn’t effect your gameplay at all.
Microtransactions can go a long way with only a small offering of services/cosmetics. WoW makes a huge chunk of revenue off microtransactions and they basically just put two pets and a mount out per year for it. They made like $6 mil just off a store toy and those funds went to support...I want to say the arena championship winnings? Maybe MDI.
It's a big return for really limited stress on the team for WoW, at least. The mount is about a month of art work for one artist and the pets probably less. They get money, the rest of the team can focus on developing the actual game and future content. The payment gating for things like race changes and server changes also has the added benefit of slowing down knee-jerk reactions to nerfs/buffs and the like.
These are only going to be cosmetic or similar. I can't think of a current Blizzard game where someone pays for gear or some endgame-ruining benefit.
My only hope is that any cosmetics won't be too crazy, over-the-top, but honestly as it plays out in WoW most players get these things and don't use them much after the initial purchase. My assumption was just because everyone knew they were purchased, not won from gameplay, so that kind of watered down the prestige of using them.