By staying alive in the middle of elites with all kinds of nasty effects, keeping them piled with EP on everything. Try using cyclone strike without insane amounts of toughness, and see how it ends.
In my experience, a support monk means a smooth more comfortable and usually faster experience.
So sorry I challenged your view on how everyone should play this game. I'm geared for T6 on several characters, and clearing it without a pp monk isn't hard. But clearing it with one is alot more comfy, and I prefer comfy over playing the game how other feels is "the right way".
I am by any means not telling anyone how the right way to play this game is, all I'm saying is that a pp monk makes rifts faster and more comfy. If that ain't your cup of tea, by all means don't play like that. But don't come here telling me what the right way to play the game is. If you clear something easily, then you are doing it right. With or without a pp monk.
You said "this monk will never be better than Leap Barb or Jade WD or Pillar / Kick monk. It just won't. Itmayseemslike there is a need for one ep pull monk in the group because when you play with him you need to compensate for the lack of DPS with some kind of support and healing."
All I have tried to say is that you are clueless about how a pp monk works and how effective they really are. How much spare spirit would a monk have for LTK or other skills when he is done palming? Not a whole lot.
I would love to see you make a dps monk with the skillset you mentioned and show me how good it is compared to a zdps monk.
It might sound good in theory, but it just wouldnt work because of the limitations of spirit you already have mentioned, and the lack of toughness when you are stuck in the middle of mobs.
Unity makes for a shitload of difference, and allows you to pretty much glasscannon t6. It's not in any means representable for how you perform in groupplay. Yes he is doing fine and is doing decen dmg, but this video is not showing me how he would handle groupplay with that build.
Edit: Nevermind, can't be arsed. Lets just agree to disagree.
I opened my game to public, someone joined, paragon 200 or so, Doing T6 rifts.
They were utter GARBAGE. I asked them to leave and they ignored me and followed.... So I stopped killing things and let THEM run ahead, they left after they failed to kill a goblin.
I still think that face-rolling T3 is still the most effective way to farm right now.
Yesterday I got like 4 legs doing T6 rifts. That number shoots up to 20 when doing T3 in the same timespan.
To roll through T6, you need like 1xEP monk , 1x Jade WD, 1x Shotgun Crusader (tuned to the MAX) and possibly another WD just to squeeze out even more DPS.
I guess you could say that you need around 2.5mill eDPS, max CDR/resource regen and a good build to really feel powerful.
I prefer 8-10 min t6 runs where I might die if I do'nt pay a bit of attentin to facerolling t3 despite it being more efficient.
Unless I'm drunk But you're not wrong, but that's not to say running t6 doesn't have its merits
I opened my game to public, someone joined, paragon 200 or so, Doing T6 rifts.
They were utter GARBAGE. I asked them to leave and they ignored me and followed.... So I stopped killing things and let THEM run ahead, they left after they failed to kill a goblin.
This is tough love and this is the most effective way to handle this situation. . Good on you.
In addition to not killing anything, i also run away from them running through mobs/Elites/poison pools etc. As they generally are slower, there's no way they can keep up. I'd much rather do this than get frustrated.
Kicking a leech is far to good for them. Its quick and they can re-enter another game immediately. By doing what we do, at least we're showing them how misplaced they are by letting them get killed and left behind and we're also wasting a significant amount of their time which means alot more to them than a player with patience.
Call me bad, call me whatever. It's tough love....
I opened my game to public, someone joined, paragon 200 or so, Doing T6 rifts.
They were utter GARBAGE. I asked them to leave and they ignored me and followed.... So I stopped killing things and let THEM run ahead, they left after they failed to kill a goblin.
This is tough love and this is the most effective way to handle this situation. . Good on you.
In addition to not killing anything, i also run away from them running through mobs/Elites/poison pools etc. As they generally are slower, there's no way they can keep up. I'd much rather do this than get frustrated.
Kicking a leech is far to good for them. Its quick and they can re-enter another game immediately. By doing what we do, at least we're showing them how misplaced they are by letting them get killed and left behind and we're also wasting a significant amount of their time which means alot more to them than a player with patience.
Call me bad, call me whatever. It's tough love....
That's not going to show them anything since it is Softcore. What is the cost of a death almost nothing. If they die a few times they might just leave and just find another game to go to.
You might be able to get more out of them by trying to talk with them and seeing if they might need any help or suggestions on making their characters better. Of course it depends on that player willing to listen which the chances might be low. But then again who knows without trying.
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I opened my game to public, someone joined, paragon 200 or so, Doing T6 rifts.
They were utter GARBAGE. I asked them to leave and they ignored me and followed.... So I stopped killing things and let THEM run ahead, they left after they failed to kill a goblin.
This is tough love and this is the most effective way to handle this situation. . Good on you.
In addition to not killing anything, i also run away from them running through mobs/Elites/poison pools etc. As they generally are slower, there's no way they can keep up. I'd much rather do this than get frustrated.
Kicking a leech is far to good for them. Its quick and they can re-enter another game immediately. By doing what we do, at least we're showing them how misplaced they are by letting them get killed and left behind and we're also wasting a significant amount of their time which means alot more to them than a player with patience.
Call me bad, call me whatever. It's tough love....
That's not going to show them anything since it is Softcore. What is the cost of a death almost nothing. If they die a few times they might just leave and just find another game to go to.
You might be able to get more out of them by trying to talk with them and seeing if they might need any help or suggestions on making their characters better. Of course it depends on that player willing to listen which the chances might be low. But then again who knows without trying.
From what i have observed, it works. These players only want XP, gold, drops and fast !. When I waste their time, they leave. Yes, I agree death does not affect them but the time wasting does. They don't want to run around chasing a group who aren't even killing anything ~ totally pointless.
Is it a waste of time for me ?, not really. I am more than happy to stand in a quiet corner of a dungeon to check my gear and decide what I can re-roll next. I usually do that in between rifts but there's no reason why I can't do that in a rift.
Why don't I talk to them ?
"Hey dude, you know are not strong enough to play in T6 right ?"
"Who the f**k do you think you are you c*ck breath !"
These leeches don't need advice, they know as much as every other player. In fact, I think their indepth knowledge is what drives them to leech.
In my experience, a support monk means a smooth more comfortable and usually faster experience.
I am by any means not telling anyone how the right way to play this game is, all I'm saying is that a pp monk makes rifts faster and more comfy. If that ain't your cup of tea, by all means don't play like that. But don't come here telling me what the right way to play the game is. If you clear something easily, then you are doing it right. With or without a pp monk.
You said "this monk will never be better than Leap Barb or Jade WD or Pillar / Kick monk. It just won't. Itmayseemslike there is a need for one ep pull monk in the group because when you play with him you need to compensate for the lack of DPS with some kind of support and healing."
All I have tried to say is that you are clueless about how a pp monk works and how effective they really are. How much spare spirit would a monk have for LTK or other skills when he is done palming? Not a whole lot.
I would love to see you make a dps monk with the skillset you mentioned and show me how good it is compared to a zdps monk.
It might sound good in theory, but it just wouldnt work because of the limitations of spirit you already have mentioned, and the lack of toughness when you are stuck in the middle of mobs.
Edit: Nevermind, can't be arsed. Lets just agree to disagree.
They were utter GARBAGE. I asked them to leave and they ignored me and followed.... So I stopped killing things and let THEM run ahead, they left after they failed to kill a goblin.
Unless I'm drunk But you're not wrong, but that's not to say running t6 doesn't have its merits
In addition to not killing anything, i also run away from them running through mobs/Elites/poison pools etc. As they generally are slower, there's no way they can keep up. I'd much rather do this than get frustrated.
Kicking a leech is far to good for them. Its quick and they can re-enter another game immediately. By doing what we do, at least we're showing them how misplaced they are by letting them get killed and left behind and we're also wasting a significant amount of their time which means alot more to them than a player with patience.
Call me bad, call me whatever. It's tough love....
You might be able to get more out of them by trying to talk with them and seeing if they might need any help or suggestions on making their characters better. Of course it depends on that player willing to listen which the chances might be low. But then again who knows without trying.
Is it a waste of time for me ?, not really. I am more than happy to stand in a quiet corner of a dungeon to check my gear and decide what I can re-roll next. I usually do that in between rifts but there's no reason why I can't do that in a rift.
Why don't I talk to them ?
"Hey dude, you know are not strong enough to play in T6 right ?"
"Who the f**k do you think you are you c*ck breath !"
These leeches don't need advice, they know as much as every other player. In fact, I think their indepth knowledge is what drives them to leech.